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Official 4Runner VS Raptor - Apples VS Oranges Thread

The comparison between the 4runner and Raptor has become a popular topic in just about every thread now. In some cases, derailing a thread and rustling up some jimmies (I happen to find it very entertaining). How about we discuss it here? Feel free to discuss 4runner VS Raptor, 4Runner VS The World, Tacoma VS ZR2, etc.

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Too many butt hurt fanboys worrying about fitting 285s on their trucks.
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It's a popular topic?
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i'll have apples and oranges eventually.
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No comparison, if the Raptor were a little cheaper I'd have one in the garage now instead of the 4Runner. I love my 4Runner and think it's an all around great truck and will suit my needs well, there's just something not as cool compared to a Raptor. However, since I added all the Pro stuff, I seem to stand out more than Raptors because you see 15 of those a day where I'm from.
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my first choice was a raptor. i've been trying to convince the wife to let me get one. after 2 years, the answer is still a no lol she does not want a pickup unless we own an SUV first. so 4runner it is. now if only i can win that damn lotto, then we can have both.
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Maybe Raptor grill lights...?
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It's similar to comparing the Toyota 86/FRS to the Mustang GT350.
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Full size, extra wide pickup truck down off road trails? No thanks.

I'm well aware it'd do it, and I'd totally love to have a Raptor, but not for what I'm doing right now.
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Sounds like I missed out on some ever-so-frequent T4R shenanigans. How about we leave the trivial things behind and step it up a notch to 4Runner vs Apache helicopter..
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No comparison, if the Raptor were a little cheaper I'd have one in the garage now instead of the 4Runner. I love my 4Runner and think it's an all around great truck and will suit my needs well, there's just something not as cool compared to a Raptor. However, since I added all the Pro stuff, I seem to stand out more than Raptors because you see 15 of those a day where I'm from.
First, as I've said elsewhere...... f**k Ford, for my own personal reasons. Yes I'm biased.

That said....
As I've also said elsewhere (Lawndart), the 4Runner is more like a Swiss Army Knife. No, it's not as nice as your kitchen can opener, but it does the job. And other jobs too. It's a true SUV.... sport UTILITY vehicle. It may not excel at any one thing, but it can passably do many things.

The Raptor... as much as I hate Ford... is built/engineered for a specific audience, and they nailed that (for an off the showroom product). I'll agree with Lawndart that TRD is not what it used to be/mean. I'll say that's true across ALL manufacturers. All of their "off road" packages are meh.

Ford FX4 - Raptor is not part of that series, which was touted as their "off road" package for ages. The FX4's are meh.

Chevy Z71 - The new Colorado ZR2 is definitely a step above, and in the direction of the Raptor. The Z71 trucks though are meh.

Toyota TRD - Not what it used to be. FFS.... P-rated tires on a TRD Off Road? Wake up Toyota! Not even going to discuss the Land Cruiser (R.I.P.)

Jeep - Rubicon is still pretty capable out the gate. It's also the LAST offering they have. The Grand Cherokee is NOT suitable (dual independent suspension that other have tried to do lift on... it IS a no go).

Nissan - Has damn near thrown in the towel. Xterra is gone. And the Pro-4X is on the same level as the FX4, TRD, Z71 packages. (Side note: the overseas Patrol is sweet.... too bad we get a POS version)

Mazda, Mitsubishi, and many others have nothing to offer any more. Period.

Land Rover - Good bye Defender. And if you're buying a new LR4 or whatnot for off-roading, I can maybe recommend a good psychiatrist....

Mercedes G - Lololololololololololololol. If you're buying this, you could have bought a 4Runner AND Raptor, dummy.

Long story short....
I can understand the excitement over the Raptor. Ford actually listened to some of their customers. Chevy ... to be seen. But overall, there is a lack of good options these days. Which is shocking considering how popular overlanding has become, in my opinion.

So, to Ford, I give you guys a reluctant salute for doing a fine job building something that some of us can truly drool over.

As to the rest..... step up your game.

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It's similar to comparing the Toyota 86/FRS to the Mustang GT350.
More like the 86 VS Camaro. I'm on FT86Club too
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Having owned a Raptor AND a 4Runner at the same time (sold the Raptor for an M3), I'll give my 2cents:

Looks: The Raptor crew cab is an absolute monster in terms of size, especially if you are not used to driving/parking any kind of pickup trucks. Raptor guys will tell you "park anywhere", but it takes some practice to know that you have to plan your parking strategy ahead of time before entering any lot.

You're dealing with a tremendous amount of width (over even the normal F150), much more length than you're used to, and for even those with lifts - the height of the Raptor is noticeably tall.

Performance: My data is skewed towards the 1st gen (mine was a 2014), but my Raptor drove like a beast. It was nice and cushy when you wanted it to be, while being just rough enough to remind you that you are in an F150. The faster you went over bumps, the more forgiving the suspension was. Though I was not one of those *******s who would take his neighborhood speedbump at 80mph, I did often think about it haha. The truck begged you to go fast, and the handling (likely due to the width and suspension) was 5x better than my 4th gen with Bilsteins, etc.

Storage: It's a truck with a crew cab. The rear seats fold upwards, revealing a huge bed of empty space in the backseat. i used to just throw my whole dog bed back there (it was big) and my pup had more than enough room to chill in or out of the bed. It was like a small apartment back there, and then you had the added space of the actual truck bed. Overall for a nice, long trip (and I took many it it), I was never wanting for storage space.

I freaking loved my Raptor, one of the only reasons I sold it was because it's not really conducive to living in narrow, sheltered, broken streets of CT and NYC. Parking structures are outdated and therefore all have low ceilings, narrow parking spots, and old people waiting to ding your doors. I could barely fit it in my home garage, and couldn't go below the 2nd level of my work garage. While most of this I could have lived with, the true torture was not being close enough to anywhere the truck could properly stretch its legs. In otherwords I never got to use it for what it was meant to be used for, and that is the truest of crimes in itself.

Will definitely own another Raptor one day, but I need to live out west.

If you want to compare it to a 4Runner, I have one big thing the 4Runner trumps the raptor in: Convenience.
The 4Runner is a smaller-ish, tighter (no big fender flares or long bed in back) package that can literally go ANYWHERE, and do almost anything. It has more than ample STOCK storage space with the flat folding seats, and for those with roof racks the sky is the limit in terms of how much you want to load it up. It's really the swiss army knife of SUVs, and I think they are 2 vehicles that cannot really be compared.

Yes the 4Runner is slower. It is smaller. It requires extensive modifications for big tires. But it gives you a package you can use any day, anywhere, in any conditions. And unlike the Raptor, you don't have to plan out your parking spot before you even hit the lot!!

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