Best speculation of a 2023 6th generation I have seen

I personally have zero hopes that the 3.4TT will end up in the 4R or even the Tacoma. The current engine options are on par with Gladiator, Wrangler, and Bronco for the 4cyl and V6 options as they are offered (except the 2.7 Bronco). All around 275HP/300TQ, plus or minus a few. That's where I see them staying with what seems to be a 4cyl coming. If they did the TTV6, a TRD Pro in either the 4R or Taco would become exorbitantly more expensive than they already are compared to the other trims. Toyota isn't cool enough to do something like that and I don't see them having any desire to compete with the BRaptor or 392. Maybe I'll be wrong :)
 
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Why is that LOL-worthy, outside of privacy concerns?



In respect of the source, I don't want to say yes or no, but we all know the nameplate we are primarily here to discuss. If a source also posts online in any capacity, then I typically refrain from reposting their own info. Especially when they also own a 4Runner and might want to post here, only to find what they've told me already showed up publicly without their permission.

Typically production of a new vehicle begins 2 months before it's officially launched, so 24 months is another major clue I know of for 930B SOP. This is the officially the 2nd delay for what is known as both 610B-2 and by Toyota 930B, after first being leaked on February 18, 2020 by me as planned for MY 2023. Production chassis code might be N350.

I had warned you all that it was potentially delayed again based on some prototyping phases being scheduled very later than expected, now it's baked in as much later.

I'd like to see new 4x4 product sooner, but forget about seeing such a vehicle unveiled in 2023. Not unless Toyota feels the pressure and wants an early reveal, like has been done with the Tundra in February 2006 (launched in January 2007). I think I got info on the Tacoma Job 1 as well, which I need to check my notes on.

The 220D vehicle for Lexus out of TMMI, will enter production in July 2023, earlier than my original projection of September 2023. I cannot remember if that means parallel Toyota badged 200D program vehicle will enter production earlier than June 2023. These are to my knowledge GA-K vehicles.

[MENTION=166416]Carmaker1[/MENTION] Any new info you can share with us?
 
Looks like the 5th gen ends production on August 31, 2024.

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AND 6th gen program code is 930D with production scheduled to start on September 2, 2024 in JAPAN. Given Toyota's Fleet site says MY23 orders are accepted until May 2023, I'm guessing MY 2024 will be a carry over and MY 2025 will be the 6th gen.

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Looks like the 5th gen ends production on August 31, 2024.

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AND 6th gen program code is 930D with production scheduled to start on September 2, 2024 in JAPAN. Given Toyota's Fleet site says MY23 orders are accepted until May 2023, I'm guessing MY 2024 will be a carry over and MY 2025 will be the 6th gen.

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Where did you find this? There was something posted in this thread months ago showing the 930D was starting production in Mexico in Jan of 2025 I believe.
 
Where did you find this? There was something posted in this thread months ago showing the 930D was starting production in Mexico in Jan of 2025 I believe.

This is from an Auto vehicle forecast spreadsheet similar to the one I posted a bit ago showing 920B (new Tacoma) starting in August 2023. The one the Tacoma was in was their North American production sheet and 930D was in their Asia Pacific sheet.

I posted a link a while back from Team Quality Services with 610L(2) (610L is existing 4Runner, Toyota often puts (2) next to the program for refresh/placeholder in this case maybe) showing Jan 2024, was there another doc posted since that I may have missed? I’ve also since heard that at one point Tacoma and 4Runner were talked about together, then that talk stopped. So I wonder if they toyed upon building them both in Mexico and then stuck with Japan?

Here’s the link I found a bit ago: Quality Issues? We Have Support Available at Toyota Guanajutao!
 
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This is from an Auto vehicle forecast spreadsheet similar to the one I posted a bit ago showing 920B (new Tacoma) starting in August 2023. The one the Tacoma was in was their North American production sheet and 930D was in their Asia Pacific sheet.

I posted a link a while back from Team Quality Services with 610L(2) (610L is existing 4Runner, Toyota often puts (2) next to the program for refresh/placeholder in this case maybe) showing Jan 2024, was there another doc posted since that I may have missed? I’ve also since heard that at one point Tacoma and 4Runner were talked about together, then that talk stopped. So I wonder if they toyed upon building them both in Mexico and then stuck with Japan?

Here’s the link I found a bit ago: Quality Issues? We Have Support Available at Toyota Guanajutao!

Yes, that was the post. I thought that link was advertising the 610L(2) 4Runner as a project starting at that Mexico plant?
 
This is from an Auto vehicle forecast spreadsheet similar to the one I posted a bit ago showing 920B (new Tacoma) starting in August 2023. The one the Tacoma was in was their North American production sheet and 930D was in their Asia Pacific sheet.

That's a great find. Between the two spreadsheets, we pretty much know what's coming in terms of new models and redesigns:

Probably all '24 model years:
Grand Highlander - SOP 5/23
Tacoma - SOP 8/23
bZ5X - SOP 9/23

Probably all '25 model years:
Camry - SOP 2/24
Corolla - SOP 7/24
4Runner - SOP 9/24
RAV4 - SOP 10/24
 
Yes, that was the post. I thought that link was advertising the 610L(2) 4Runner as a project starting at that Mexico plant?

That’s the way I originally took it too; now that I’ve discovered 930D on the Asia Pacific sheet and 610L(2)/930D/4Runner is not mentioned on the North American sheet whereas 920B is, I’m wondering if that Team Quality Services page hasn’t been updated in a bit. Toyota may have wanted and/or originally planned to build the Tacoma and 4Runner side by side, but then changed their mind and stuck to Japan. I wonder if it was a production capacity based decision.

Carmaker1, who seems to be the most accurate, I think last said Mexico? However, in his most recent post (July 17, 2022) he said the 4Runner was 26 months out. That exactly aligns with the Sept 2024 SOP date. In his last post he also said it’s been increasingly risky for him to say his info here, but that he’s learned a ton about Toyotas lineup through 2030. So we shall see, hopefully he can log on and hint at if this new discovery is correct.
 
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6th gen with be available fall of 2024 as a 2025

Land Cruiser will be coming out later next summer but not as a luxury SUV, but a "Jeep" like vehicle to battle the Jeep and Bronco segment.

You heard it here forst
 
the more i think about it, there's no way the 4Runner gets the 3.5 twin turbo hybrid. That will go to the GX if it makes it into this chasis at all. More than likely its reserved for the larger vehicles like the TLC and Tundra.

And there's no way they're going to have a different TLC in the US than everywhere else in the world. The TLC 300 is only 2 years old at this point and they aren't going to bring the 70 here.
 
the more i think about it, there's no way the 4Runner gets the 3.5 twin turbo hybrid. That will go to the GX if it makes it into this chasis at all. More than likely its reserved for the larger vehicles like the TLC and Tundra.

Correct.

This is why the most reliable info out there (from people like Carmaker1) is that the 6th gen will be getting the 2.4 single turbo from the Lexus NX.
 
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6th gen with be available fall of 2024 as a 2025

Land Cruiser will be coming out later next summer but not as a luxury SUV, but a "Jeep" like vehicle to battle the Jeep and Bronco segment.

You heard it here forst

Interesting speculation, do you have a shread of info you can share as to why your LC claim is valid?
 
4Runner will have a hybrid option by spring of 2026

It will be a 4cyl hybrid.

The same reason Ford carries the Bronco and Explorer models

The Highlander is the competitor to the Explorer. Not the 4Runner.
Again, there is zero chance that Toyota has a Land Cruiser that is substantially different in the US than it is ROW. There's already a brand new 300 and the long-running 70, which will never come to the US.
 

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