Apple iPhone 8/X and A11
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Thai
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My 7+ gets 3500 (single core) and 5900 (multicore).
IanB
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That's the same processor as a 7, right?
Thai
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Yes.
JayceeP
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So what will it mean for normal users like me? All that processing power is sweet but what can I do with it? I feel like all the features should be on the 8.... which seems to have received very little in way of upgrades. I have a 6 but I don't see what I am missing out on by not trading in... at least for now anyway.
Any insight would be appreciated!
Any insight would be appreciated!
These days I'm more concerned about battery life. They're all fast for the most part but how long can I use it without having to plug the damn thing in? I have an iPhone 7 and a OnePlus 2 and honestly, the OnePlus is superior in pretty much every measurable way and for the most part and I'm a 'Mac Guy'. I have my token Windows machine but everything else is Mac but they've really fallen behind in phone tech. Apple just now announced an Apple TV that does better than 1080P...are you kidding, my Apple TV has been demoted to iTunes duty. Those are very impressive benchmark numbers but without more data points, they're pretty useless especially without knowing anything about batter life as that's my biggest gripe with Apple phones.
Thai
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If you use your iPhone 6 just for making phone calls or surfing web, then nothing...or if you use your 3.5mm headphone jack everyday.
IPhone 8 has much better camera than your 6...brighter lens, bigger sensor, and much better software. It runs games and other apps much smoother and likely less crashing. Your iPhone 6 A8 chip was only OK, even at time when it was released...it was barely better than the A7 chip in the iPhone 5s. Productivity apps will run better, esp if it involves any form of video editing.
Video recording is much better.
Wireless charging...if you care. I don’t personally.
Display is better...brighter and more colorful (very accurate display) and TrueTone now.
TouchID is better/faster.
Battery life will be better. A11 chip is very efficient. And your 6 battery is probably on its last leg.
And depending on carrier, iPhone 8 will have better LTE/4G connection.
So, a lot actually...but only if you care for those things.
Thai
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You’re comparing your iPhone 7 to 1+2???!!! :tape: I hope that you only meant battery life! LOL. And even then, i am not so sure.
IPhone 8 should be same or better than your iPhone 7. Probably be the same.
Or just buy the battery case from Apple for your 7. Amazon has them on sale for $80.
No I'm not just talking about battery life but I'm starting to get the impression you're an 'Apple fanboi'. My point was that my One+2 should be equivalent to what....an iPhone 5 or 6 maybe but is snappier than my iPhone 7 at almost everything and lasts about a day longer while being older. My One+ is rooted which helps a little but it's at least a year older. They're also on different carriers but my iPhone is with Verizon and should be superior to T-Mobile. If iTunes existed natively on Android, I would own Apple products EXCEPT for the phone and it would be Android based. I'm not a fan of the battery cases, I like to keep the phone as small and thin as possible so I can keep it in my pocket and hopefully not feel it. Why put a band-aid on an iPhone when I can just buy a superior phone?
Thai
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I know mobile tech...thus appreciate Apple’s prowess. Fanboi? Seriously?!
Your 1+2 is a POS, even by Android fanboi standard. 1+2 was a disaster. Are you sure you don’t mean 1+3??
Snappier than 7? Uhhh no. That was funny though.
BlackWorksInc
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Curious how well the processor will handle stuff, it would be interesting if Apple offered their closed-loop version of what Samsung was toying with in regards to having phones replace work stations. The Galaxy was powerful enough to essentially replace a standard workstation for most businesses, so if the iPhone X's processor is that capable (assuming the rest of the phone is actually built to properly take advantage of that vs. just throwing a beefy processor for marketing sake in a system that can't fully utilize it) I imagine it'd be an interesting workstation replacement, assuming your business used Apple's OS.
I'm also curious to see how the processors stack up outside of their OS environments, I've always found it a bit questionable comparing one OS vs. another (that applies to both Apple and Qualcomm) since a hardware component could be made to look better by tweaking software to "enhance it" in benchmarks (or if the testers are biased make a competitor look worse). Something you do see on the PC side of things and given Apple's rather tyrannical grip on their OS it wouldn't surprise me if they were tweaking things a bit (hell even Qualcomm for that matter, it seems to be common practice with everyone these days), how are the tests performed and equalized Thai? I'm really curious on the methodology because if you've ever looked on the PC side of things a lot of benchmarks are taken with a heaping of salt because of how easy it is to "adjust" them one way or another and how different various benchmark programs run their tests. On a side note, do you happen to know what the TDP of both the Qualcomm and Apple chips are?
What's the battery life on the new iPhones? I have to agree with the other poster, battery tech is not keeping up with hungry processors, part of the reason I have loved the Active series of phones besides their ability to stand up to serious abuse has been their much more generous battery packs. Having a 4000mAh battery has been nice for longer trips and more resource intensive uses the phone doesn't need to be charged halfway through the day because it can't keep up.
Yeah that iPhone X does look nice for being half a Samsung, it's nice Apple decided to do business with them and get a good screen; hopefully they won't let Samsung have them by the balls for too long. Either way Samsung is making a killing off Apple for those, which I think is sort of amusing.
(Half-joking aside, the iPhone X is an interesting product and the design is actually rather nice now that they finally ditched that silly plastic home button and actually decided to design a good looking phone. I even like that funky notch they got going on. If it wasn't for the state of Apple today I'd probably consider dabbling in their products again.)
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This was an interesting read- https://techspecs.blog/blog/2017/9/13/thoughts-on-the-iphone-x
I'm also curious to see how the processors stack up outside of their OS environments, I've always found it a bit questionable comparing one OS vs. another (that applies to both Apple and Qualcomm) since a hardware component could be made to look better by tweaking software to "enhance it" in benchmarks (or if the testers are biased make a competitor look worse). Something you do see on the PC side of things and given Apple's rather tyrannical grip on their OS it wouldn't surprise me if they were tweaking things a bit (hell even Qualcomm for that matter, it seems to be common practice with everyone these days), how are the tests performed and equalized Thai? I'm really curious on the methodology because if you've ever looked on the PC side of things a lot of benchmarks are taken with a heaping of salt because of how easy it is to "adjust" them one way or another and how different various benchmark programs run their tests. On a side note, do you happen to know what the TDP of both the Qualcomm and Apple chips are?
What's the battery life on the new iPhones? I have to agree with the other poster, battery tech is not keeping up with hungry processors, part of the reason I have loved the Active series of phones besides their ability to stand up to serious abuse has been their much more generous battery packs. Having a 4000mAh battery has been nice for longer trips and more resource intensive uses the phone doesn't need to be charged halfway through the day because it can't keep up.
Yeah that iPhone X does look nice for being half a Samsung, it's nice Apple decided to do business with them and get a good screen; hopefully they won't let Samsung have them by the balls for too long. Either way Samsung is making a killing off Apple for those, which I think is sort of amusing.
(Half-joking aside, the iPhone X is an interesting product and the design is actually rather nice now that they finally ditched that silly plastic home button and actually decided to design a good looking phone. I even like that funky notch they got going on. If it wasn't for the state of Apple today I'd probably consider dabbling in their products again.)
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This was an interesting read- https://techspecs.blog/blog/2017/9/13/thoughts-on-the-iphone-x
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Thai
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BlackWorksInc,
Your “article” is horrific. That “analyst” is FOS. Sadly, even i know more.
For example, A11 did NOT remove 32-bit anything. Apple A7 to A11 are based on ARMv8 architecture...that are 64 bit optimized and backward compatible with 32-bit apps. A11 did not remove 32-bit support!!! What a joke! iOS 11 removed 32-bit support, not the processor.
As for custom GPU cores...this guy is just an idiot! Prior to A11, Apple uses PowerVR cores. Apple modified the core design/layout a bit, but they were still Imagination Technology IP. A10 GPU is a 6-core layout.
A11 GPU is 3-core layout...fully custom design from Apple. Now, why is it custom? Well, Imagination Tech has already stated that they are more than willing to sue Apple for ANY IP infringement. So, unless Apple just love to lose money, you would think that they are very very careful with their GPU design.
Again, A11 GPU is something like 30% faster than A10 GPU with half the core count. This “analyst” thinks that it is just like before!
After all that, he then says that he knows NOTHING about graphics. I could have told you that!
The rest is just gibberish crap.
Your “article” is horrific. That “analyst” is FOS. Sadly, even i know more.
For example, A11 did NOT remove 32-bit anything. Apple A7 to A11 are based on ARMv8 architecture...that are 64 bit optimized and backward compatible with 32-bit apps. A11 did not remove 32-bit support!!! What a joke! iOS 11 removed 32-bit support, not the processor.
As for custom GPU cores...this guy is just an idiot! Prior to A11, Apple uses PowerVR cores. Apple modified the core design/layout a bit, but they were still Imagination Technology IP. A10 GPU is a 6-core layout.
A11 GPU is 3-core layout...fully custom design from Apple. Now, why is it custom? Well, Imagination Tech has already stated that they are more than willing to sue Apple for ANY IP infringement. So, unless Apple just love to lose money, you would think that they are very very careful with their GPU design.
Again, A11 GPU is something like 30% faster than A10 GPU with half the core count. This “analyst” thinks that it is just like before!
After all that, he then says that he knows NOTHING about graphics. I could have told you that!
The rest is just gibberish crap.
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Beaumont67
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I use a 5s...next upgrade will be a Apple 7.
Apple iPhone Comments on FB
- Apple tired to make iPhone 8 as camera and gaming console rather a phone. If I need camera I will go for a DSLR and for game will go be best gaming device.!i need a phone which is more with phone features rather anything else. This iPhone doesn't have that. I'm bit disappointed I'm not going for iPhone 8 for sure
- Be careful. iPhone 8 is connected to a database where they can follow you everywhere and knows exactly what you are doing. Even photos aren't safe.
Big brother is watching you, If they doesn't already.
- i have a feeling its a device to keep us under super surveillance
- It's a copy of Samsung s8
- So many Samsung / Android copies in this phone, already been done
- It's a really expensive pocket computer that's also a phone - get over it you sad geeks!
- IPhone 8 start from 799$ and 899$ but IPhone x start from 999$
- Did they end up using the 2700 mAH battery? Have fun charging this thing all the time
- I ditched my iPhone, too many updates, not enough memory and the issue with making old phones obsolete made my choice to switch to Google pixel.
- It's getting SILLY money now , it's putting me off. Why would you pay that for a phone if you are already paying that for a computer
- When iPhone was launched Nokia was the world's biggest mobile phone maker. Will there be another maker to replace Apple and Samsung...the answer is the real next generation of mobile phones.
- Ridiculous price. They are pricing themselves out of the market. Technology generally gets cheaper as time goes on and usage goes up. Except phones I guess.
- lets see the drop tests! Has glass on both sides
Apple iPhone Comments on FB
- Apple tired to make iPhone 8 as camera and gaming console rather a phone. If I need camera I will go for a DSLR and for game will go be best gaming device.!i need a phone which is more with phone features rather anything else. This iPhone doesn't have that. I'm bit disappointed I'm not going for iPhone 8 for sure
- Be careful. iPhone 8 is connected to a database where they can follow you everywhere and knows exactly what you are doing. Even photos aren't safe.
Big brother is watching you, If they doesn't already.
- i have a feeling its a device to keep us under super surveillance
- It's a copy of Samsung s8
- So many Samsung / Android copies in this phone, already been done
- It's a really expensive pocket computer that's also a phone - get over it you sad geeks!
- IPhone 8 start from 799$ and 899$ but IPhone x start from 999$
- Did they end up using the 2700 mAH battery? Have fun charging this thing all the time
- I ditched my iPhone, too many updates, not enough memory and the issue with making old phones obsolete made my choice to switch to Google pixel.
- It's getting SILLY money now , it's putting me off. Why would you pay that for a phone if you are already paying that for a computer
- When iPhone was launched Nokia was the world's biggest mobile phone maker. Will there be another maker to replace Apple and Samsung...the answer is the real next generation of mobile phones.
- Ridiculous price. They are pricing themselves out of the market. Technology generally gets cheaper as time goes on and usage goes up. Except phones I guess.
- lets see the drop tests! Has glass on both sides
Thai
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Geekbench is comparable across ALL platforms: Mike's Tech Life: Geekbench 4 - Cross Platform Testing & Analysis
And this is why well-known tech sites, such as ANANDTECH, use Geekbench for their CPU analysis, whether it be PC or Android or iOS.
Remember, iPad PROs use A-processors.
Apple has NEVER been caught cheating on benchmarks. NEVER. Yes, there have been cheating on Geekbench...in fact, OnePlus (with 1+5) was just caught AGAIN of cheating on Geekbench!!
From Anandtech reviews in past, it is the Qualcomm chips that throttles like crazy!! Heck, on past Androids, to get max benchmarks, Anandtech has to put them in freezers!!
Apple chips have always been good at throttle management and sustain performance. They have to be given their tiny batteries!
And this is why Android has always had bigger batteries because Android OS has always been less efficient and their chips are less efficient. Memory pipeline on Android devices is pretty restrictive vs. iOS. And this is why Apple always does better in REAL-world smoothness and performance.
Why is X half a Samsung? It is using a Samsung display...the rest is Apple design. Samsung is the worker bees. Apple once used Sharp and LG too...does that mean that iPhone are half LG too? Samsung uses Qualcomm chips, who uses TSMC to make...does that mean that Samsung is half TSMC?
Next iPhone may use LG for their display...Apple is going after Micro-LED display tech. LG will make it apparently.
Plastic home button? Dude, ever since 2013 at least, Apple has used SAPPHIRE home button. Yes, sapphire crystal for their HOME and camera lens.
You know who uses cheap ass plastic home button? SAMSUNG. No joke. Even S7.
And ever since iPhone 7, it is not even a button! It is solid state sapphire.
Yeah, their sad business affairs...yet you own S7 and S8 Active (a fanboi if i ever saw one!) from Samsung, whose CEO just got jailed for bribery. Just saying.
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Thai
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LOL. Love the FB comments especially the Pixel comment. IF i were you, then i would just get iP8. Price difference is $100, but you get significantly better camera and much more power to boot (future proofing).
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Thai
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I am getting it because X is a special edition. So it’s kinda cool.
BlackWorksInc
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@Thai
Well to be fair "Never Caught" isn't reassuring nor proof that they don't cheat. I wasn't entirely saying "cheating" per say I was referring more to the fact that various factors can affect benchmarks and sometimes companies will tailor a benchmark rig or testing device to their favor (i.e. AMD using displays and games tailored for their GPUs while Intel benchmarks might be on games/software that wasn't really encoded for AMD processors, an older driver being used. ect.) That may toe a grey area that could be constituted as "cheating" or in the case of early Ryzen CPUs it was simply that the industry has coded for Intel primarily and so it was an over-looked consequence in the early results.
But the link is a nice explanation I was looking for, thank you, I was curious more about their testing methods rather than their results. Do you have a link for actual TDP and wattage for both processors? Again I haven't had issues with any of the Qualcomm chips "throttling", but that doesn't entirely surprise me on a benchmark when you're pushing a chip to it's max vs. casual use. Though I will note that if I forget to close out a dozen or so apps and leave them running in the background the phone might get a bit in the 40~47*C range, but outside of that I'm not seeing temps bump past 35~37*C under normal use with GPS/WiFi turned on.
I will note that "published" battery life and "real world" battery life seem to be two vastly different things for both Apple and Android. Apple's phones seem roughly on par with some of the higher end competition, the issue just comes down to battery technology lagging behind in general; at this point there's just no replacement for displacement. Most people I see running i7 or i7+ or even Galaxy phones or other androids aren't making it through the day without a top off, you can only do so much when your batteries are 3000~3500mAh, so I'm not really knocking Apple on this one as it's an everyone problem; I was just more curious what the numbers were. I did find a spec of 2.5~5w TDP for the Snapdragon 835, but nothing for the A11 or even the A10. A bit hard to verify claims of battery & thermal efficiency if all the data isn't there, but eh.
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The iPhone X actually is a cool product, it's probably one of the nicest looking phones out there at the moment (though I am partial to my S8 Active's more utilitarian look, but these very "sleek" phones have never been appealing to me). The hardware is nice, though I'm seeing a lot of people wondering how well that A11 is going to be utilized, I guess that the A10's had some sort of weird GPU utilization thing going on that the author in the link I posted (Edit- I saw your earlier post, I'll have to look into his claims a bit more I guess, though oddly the few other "Apple" sites that linked his post didn't bother correcting him). It's nice they threw a hot rod motor under their hood, but if the rest of the chassis can't do crap with the power it's not very useful. That's not to say the A11 is crap, just more curious if what it's bolted to is going to properly utilize all that power or is this just a marketing gimmick?
I'm also impressed that Apple didn't come out with a proprietary wireless charging standard (I'm sure they tried really hard knowing them), but it's also not surprising they chose to stick with their proprietary cabling despite going beyond over-board on their Macbooks with USB-C to the point it became a detractor (again Apple just floundering around like they did when they ousted Jobs the first time, shame they won't be saved by him this time). But it's nice to see Apple joining the real world and adopting common standards of powering your device. I'm sure their charging mats are going to be really cool looking though.
I'm not sure how I feel about their FaceID thing, it's technologically impressive and extremely cool. But it's also extremely dangerous, highly invasive, probably somewhat pointless (in some respects for functionality, it seemed more of a "because we can" thing in some cases, not all), and most likely to become co-opted by the government if it hasn't already. It's impressive technology that leaves a lot of questions and implications, but they seem to be making an effort to secure it (if not only for their own purposes, but hey begger's can't be choosers).
Again I also mention it'd be interesting with all that power if they experimented with workstation replacement docks for the iPhone. Obvious issues with it being an Apple for that application aside, I think it could be a good market for them.
I have to agree most of those are ****ing hilarious. I mean look the guy's not wrong about the whole wacky "big brother" comment, but let's be real we've all forfitted ourselves long ago the government has all that information already and companies run the government; Apple's doing what everyone else is. The price of the X is not that shocking when you consider a brand new Note8 is just shy of a grand also, so this outrage over price is laughable.
Well to be fair "Never Caught" isn't reassuring nor proof that they don't cheat. I wasn't entirely saying "cheating" per say I was referring more to the fact that various factors can affect benchmarks and sometimes companies will tailor a benchmark rig or testing device to their favor (i.e. AMD using displays and games tailored for their GPUs while Intel benchmarks might be on games/software that wasn't really encoded for AMD processors, an older driver being used. ect.) That may toe a grey area that could be constituted as "cheating" or in the case of early Ryzen CPUs it was simply that the industry has coded for Intel primarily and so it was an over-looked consequence in the early results.
But the link is a nice explanation I was looking for, thank you, I was curious more about their testing methods rather than their results. Do you have a link for actual TDP and wattage for both processors? Again I haven't had issues with any of the Qualcomm chips "throttling", but that doesn't entirely surprise me on a benchmark when you're pushing a chip to it's max vs. casual use. Though I will note that if I forget to close out a dozen or so apps and leave them running in the background the phone might get a bit in the 40~47*C range, but outside of that I'm not seeing temps bump past 35~37*C under normal use with GPS/WiFi turned on.
I will note that "published" battery life and "real world" battery life seem to be two vastly different things for both Apple and Android. Apple's phones seem roughly on par with some of the higher end competition, the issue just comes down to battery technology lagging behind in general; at this point there's just no replacement for displacement. Most people I see running i7 or i7+ or even Galaxy phones or other androids aren't making it through the day without a top off, you can only do so much when your batteries are 3000~3500mAh, so I'm not really knocking Apple on this one as it's an everyone problem; I was just more curious what the numbers were. I did find a spec of 2.5~5w TDP for the Snapdragon 835, but nothing for the A11 or even the A10. A bit hard to verify claims of battery & thermal efficiency if all the data isn't there, but eh.
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The iPhone X actually is a cool product, it's probably one of the nicest looking phones out there at the moment (though I am partial to my S8 Active's more utilitarian look, but these very "sleek" phones have never been appealing to me). The hardware is nice, though I'm seeing a lot of people wondering how well that A11 is going to be utilized, I guess that the A10's had some sort of weird GPU utilization thing going on that the author in the link I posted (Edit- I saw your earlier post, I'll have to look into his claims a bit more I guess, though oddly the few other "Apple" sites that linked his post didn't bother correcting him). It's nice they threw a hot rod motor under their hood, but if the rest of the chassis can't do crap with the power it's not very useful. That's not to say the A11 is crap, just more curious if what it's bolted to is going to properly utilize all that power or is this just a marketing gimmick?
I'm also impressed that Apple didn't come out with a proprietary wireless charging standard (I'm sure they tried really hard knowing them), but it's also not surprising they chose to stick with their proprietary cabling despite going beyond over-board on their Macbooks with USB-C to the point it became a detractor (again Apple just floundering around like they did when they ousted Jobs the first time, shame they won't be saved by him this time). But it's nice to see Apple joining the real world and adopting common standards of powering your device. I'm sure their charging mats are going to be really cool looking though.
I'm not sure how I feel about their FaceID thing, it's technologically impressive and extremely cool. But it's also extremely dangerous, highly invasive, probably somewhat pointless (in some respects for functionality, it seemed more of a "because we can" thing in some cases, not all), and most likely to become co-opted by the government if it hasn't already. It's impressive technology that leaves a lot of questions and implications, but they seem to be making an effort to secure it (if not only for their own purposes, but hey begger's can't be choosers).
Again I also mention it'd be interesting with all that power if they experimented with workstation replacement docks for the iPhone. Obvious issues with it being an Apple for that application aside, I think it could be a good market for them.
I have to agree most of those are ****ing hilarious. I mean look the guy's not wrong about the whole wacky "big brother" comment, but let's be real we've all forfitted ourselves long ago the government has all that information already and companies run the government; Apple's doing what everyone else is. The price of the X is not that shocking when you consider a brand new Note8 is just shy of a grand also, so this outrage over price is laughable.
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