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Old 09-18-2013, 09:41 PM #31
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I didn't mean for you or anyone else to take this the wrong way because honestly, I see your point of view and the opposite point of view as well. That's what I meant by I am not trying to take sides, nor start a debate, I just found it funny if you step back and think about the situation, lol.
I hear you and I didn't take any offense at your thoughts. I was simply pointing out for others not understanding your attempt at a joke that labeling a gun-free zone as such doesn't guarantee safety for anyone inside and in some cases serves as a stress-free stomping ground for criminal activity.
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I don't really follow any of these political pro-gun/anti-gun agendas, nor am I for or against either one, so please don't take this as a stab to either side; but man these must be some seriously straight gangsta Starbucks people are going to if they need a gun to feel safe while sipping on their frappuchino
Why do you say that? There are plenty right here on this forum who need a gun to feel safe in the normal course of their daily lives and it has nothing to do with gangstas or coffee.
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Why do you say that? There are plenty right here on this forum who need a gun to feel safe in the normal course of their daily lives and it has nothing to do with gangstas or coffee.
Rich folks who legally carry guns must be high on your list to die, isn't it?

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I don't really follow any of these political pro-gun/anti-gun agendas, nor am I for or against either one, so please don't take this as a stab to either side; but man these must be some seriously straight gangsta Starbucks people are going to if they need a gun to feel safe while sipping on their frappuchino
Does trouble only occur in bad places?

Did the Navy Yard victims know that they will have to defend themselves that morning when they woke up? Did any victims of a mall shooting know that they will be shot at? Did the Colorado movie theater victims know that a heavily armed wacko would enter their Batman premier?

Were all those places filled with gangsta?

"Man, these must be some seriously straight gangsta Colorado movie theaters people are going if they need a gun to feel safe while watching a movie and eating popcorn!"

There....i re-worded your comment above...is it still funny to you? Are you still confused about the need to carry a gun legally in places that are not gangsta filled?

I don't consider carrying a gun (with license) to be all that horrible of a thing. It is rather comfy. So, i am not going out of my way to carry a gun legally. But, at the same time, i will have something to defend myself and my family against if terrible things were to happen around me.

No one can guess or predict the future where they will need a gun...as has been shown in recent tragedies.

I rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
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I've always wondered what the anti gun types use as a justification for disarming a society and turning us all into sheep.

Humans are still the same brutal, selfish, violent, hateful animals that crawled out of caves 50,000 years ago.

What great enlightenment has happened in the last 30-40 years that suddenly makes that not so?

All these wealthy liberals raising their gender neutral children on a gluten free diet of fair trade animal friendly vegetable matter and driving earth friendly hybrids to the Obama rally need to realize that there is a very thin line between what makes us smile at our neigbor with a cup of coffee in our hands as we get our morning paper from our manicured Suburban lawn and beating his head in for a sack of flour during a famine.

The atrocities my grandparents described during and after WWII in Europe will shatter any delusions of a polite society, or that we're nothing short of violent primates in the universe's largest monkey house.

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I've always wondered what the anti gun types use as a justification for disarming a society and turning us all into sheep.

Humans are still the same brutal, selfish, violent, hateful animals that crawled out of caves 50,000 years ago.

What great enlightenment has happened in the last 30-40 years that suddenly makes that not so?
No need to go back far...see New Orleans during Katrina...we haven't evolved one bit.
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You need to practice then.
Nothing wrong with that. I will practice both ways, but as long as I can open carry, I will.
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To put it simply, every step of your day is a game of odds. Some things are nearly impossible to mitigate. Others, I'd rather have a fighting chance. If that means lawfully carrying a weapon to defend my family, myself, and/or others in extreme situations, I like my chances better with a weapon, and one that I'm proficient using. Luckily my rights in this country support that.
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Here's what happened - back in 2010, the Brady Campaign decided it needed some publicity and targeted Starbucks for a boycott because Starbucks wouldn't come out and ban firearms in its stores. Starbucks responded by saying that they comply with local gun laws, and where local laws allow open carry, Starbucks doesn't prohibit it. So a bunch of Second Amendment supporters and open-carry extremists started a "Starbucks Appreciation" campaign, and made a point of going to Starbucks with weapons on their hips and conducting pro-gun rallies outside Starbucks stores, etc. This caused several other anti-gun activist organizations to call for more boycotts, and some extremists started going to stores and confronting the open-carry cowboys, and now Starbucks is caught in the middle of a fight it never wanted to be in.

Don't blame Starbucks for any of this. Starbucks has been unfairly targeted and wrongly represented by both sides. Starbucks is not anti-gun. Starbucks is not pro-gun.
Best explanation so far. Thank you.
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all of these threads make me want to move to a state where the constitution exists....

try open carrying into a starbucks in NJ (my home state) or Philly where I live now, you'll be tackled to the ground and arrested in a second.
I'm pretty sure the constitution exists in PA LoL. In fact if you read it bro you would see that each state has the right to make laws (even those concerning guns) and that those laws are enacted differently in each state.

So CA has a right to enact different laws then TX with regards to gun legislation.

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Why do you say that? There are plenty right here on this forum who need a gun to feel safe in the normal course of their daily lives and it has nothing to do with gangstas or coffee.
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Rich folks who legally carry guns must be high on your list to die, isn't it?



Does trouble only occur in bad places?

Did the Navy Yard victims know that they will have to defend themselves that morning when they woke up? Did any victims of a mall shooting know that they will be shot at? Did the Colorado movie theater victims know that a heavily armed wacko would enter their Batman premier?

Were all those places filled with gangsta?

"Man, these must be some seriously straight gangsta Colorado movie theaters people are going if they need a gun to feel safe while watching a movie and eating popcorn!"

There....i re-worded your comment above...is it still funny to you? Are you still confused about the need to carry a gun legally in places that are not gangsta filled?

I don't consider carrying a gun (with license) to be all that horrible of a thing. It is rather comfy. So, i am not going out of my way to carry a gun legally. But, at the same time, i will have something to defend myself and my family against if terrible things were to happen around me.

No one can guess or predict the future where they will need a gun...as has been shown in recent tragedies.

I rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
I truly didn't mean to derail this thread into another gun debate or stir things up, and in hindsight I see how my post was not the brightest idea, and for that I apologize.

Like I've said in the past and I will say it again, I'm pretty neutral on this subject and enjoy hearing rational opinions from both views, since most of you guys make some pretty good points that I can definitely relate to.

Please people don't get carried away arguing, I'll feel bad, lolol.
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Please people don't get carried away arguing, I'll feel bad, lolol.
Oh man, the topic of discussion did more to start the debate than your post.
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Why do you say that? There are plenty right here on this forum who need a gun to feel safe in the normal course of their daily lives and it has nothing to do with gangstas or coffee.
I think this is a bit harsh. In my personal opinion carrying (in my case, CC) every day is not necessary, but it all depends on where you live and what your daily life is like. Sure, some guys might over-do it, but I say if you can do it safely and responsibly, go for it. And I'll admit, I think some guys open carry just to show-off or make a statement.....I think a lot of us have seen "that guy".

As far as owning a gun in general. I think not having any means of protection...especially one's home and family...is irresponsible. The fact is police cannot respond fast enough to protect you from harm. I think everyone should have some way to protect their home and loved-ones, but only if trained in proper/ safe use and storage. Otherwise, you're just relying on statistics and chance for your family's safety. Just my $.02.
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I think this is a bit harsh. In my personal opinion carrying (in my case, CC) every day is not necessary, but it all depends on where you live and what your daily life is like. Sure, some guys might over-do it, but I say if you can do it safely and responsibly, go for it. And I'll admit, I think some guys open carry just to show-off or make a statement.....I think a lot of us have seen "that guy".

As far as owning a gun in general. I think not having any means of protection...especially one's home and family...is irresponsible. The fact is police cannot respond fast enough to protect you from harm. I think everyone should have some way to protect their home and loved-ones, but only if trained in proper/ safe use and storage. Otherwise, you're just relying on statistics and chance for your family's safety. Just my $.02.
You're feeding the troll - it validates his responses in his own mind, which, most often in political discussions, are intended to incite a response from somebody else and to start a pissing match - most often with @Thai . Pay attention to his posts and tell me I'm wrong.

I agree with you on the irresponsibility of not having a means of defense / protection but I would like to clarify that it is NOT the police officer's responsibility to keep any individual safe or protected. They are there to serve the public, not the individual - a distinction that must be recognized in all of this.....and in MY opinion, all the more reason to be prepared to protect or defend yourself or family. It is simply YOUR responsibility and nobody else's....certainly not the government's job as we see what they've done with the postal service, Amtrack, healthcare, etc.....
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I think this is a bit harsh. In my personal opinion carrying (in my case, CC) every day is not necessary, but it all depends on where you live and what your daily life is like. Sure, some guys might over-do it, but I say if you can do it safely and responsibly, go for it. And I'll admit, I think some guys open carry just to show-off or make a statement.....I think a lot of us have seen "that guy".

As far as owning a gun in general. I think not having any means of protection...especially one's home and family...is irresponsible. The fact is police cannot respond fast enough to protect you from harm. I think everyone should have some way to protect their home and loved-ones, but only if trained in proper/ safe use and storage. Otherwise, you're just relying on statistics and chance for your family's safety. Just my $.02.
I totally agree. All good points.
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