hamburglar210
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Are we able to upgrade the 2013 cameras to have the "projected track"? I definitely don't NEED it but I'd really like to have it. I also much prefer the Entune menus on the 2014s but oh well.
2013 Backup Camera with 2014 features
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Youngerarlaw
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I 3rd this. I have a service at the dealer in 2 weeks and will ask them of we don't get a answer first.
jangoforhire
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There's an aftermarket solution. Runs about $200 I think. I've been meaning to try it but I'm about to redo my backup camera system so I'll probably wait until then.
I'm on my phone now but I'll get the link to it later.
I'm on my phone now but I'll get the link to it later.
Youngerarlaw
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I also emailed Toyota to see if there is an upgrade. Will lyk if I get a response.
hamburglar210
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Glad to know I'm not the only one who wants this haha. There has to be a software upgrade that does this I just hope they push it to us.
jrandom
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You would think, since they fixed a lot of the ridicoulous entune internets/nav nag screens too. I contacted Toyota and pretty much got the good ole politically correct brush off: They documented my email and the national headquarters! Hell yeah I feel important now!
Proof that car manufacturers have no idea how the software industry works, You induce bugs/fixes/minor updates/paid upgrades, you retroactively fix all supported versions of the software OR patch for a reasonable charge, which are generally releases from a minimum of 2 years prior or full point release if not longer. Guaranteed you can update the firmware from Entune models, the thing is small custom(or stripped) OS based computer. As long as their is a larger enough ROM to hold the firmware and a fast enough CPU/Ram.
Slightly annoyed about all this, I really thought/hoped they had their sh!t together. Oh well, the best I can hope for is someone equally annoyed and much smarter than myself rips and reverse engineers the firmware.
Proof that car manufacturers have no idea how the software industry works, You induce bugs/fixes/minor updates/paid upgrades, you retroactively fix all supported versions of the software OR patch for a reasonable charge, which are generally releases from a minimum of 2 years prior or full point release if not longer. Guaranteed you can update the firmware from Entune models, the thing is small custom(or stripped) OS based computer. As long as their is a larger enough ROM to hold the firmware and a fast enough CPU/Ram.
Slightly annoyed about all this, I really thought/hoped they had their sh!t together. Oh well, the best I can hope for is someone equally annoyed and much smarter than myself rips and reverse engineers the firmware.
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jangoforhire
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You guys will get nowhere dealing directly with Toyota - their nave have always sucked. Here just install this, looks dead simple to hook up:
Parking Assist Systems | Parking Assist Sensors | Tadibrothers.com
I'm planning on getting one soon so I'll post details. (Soon being the next month or two)
Parking Assist Systems | Parking Assist Sensors | Tadibrothers.com
I'm planning on getting one soon so I'll post details. (Soon being the next month or two)
You drove the vehicle before you bought it... Right??? And messed with the features while on the test drive and in the lot? Right? And researched the features of the vehicle before hoping to the dealer to see what they were and what they did right??
It's sounds as though you are upset for buying something you chose the way it is and has the features it has... Limited and ridiculous as you describe it.
And car manufacturers manufacture cars.... Not software. Kind of why we call them that and not software engineers.
Happy Hunting!!
jrandom
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You sure do jump to a lot of conclusions and all the while managing to sound like a condescending ass! Nice to meet you too :thumb:
Oh no complained about something, oh dear! Oh wait, I am a complete idiot that doesn't KWTF he's buying! Stupid me.
The car has a 36 month bumper to bumper, right? Why would software not be included if it fixes something that poses a safety issue?
When they release a newer version of the software that fixes all of the issues I describe yet fail to offer an upgrade, even at a reasonable charge to existing owners. You obviously think that is right.
BTW I fail to see where you arrived at "limited and ridiculous". I said ridiculous nag screens, I am not sure how that applies to the whole system or vehicle.
The fact of the matter is it is a safety issue anytime you take your eyes off the road to do something. The system in its current state asks you to confirm something, multiple times, the system is locked up until you confirm these dialogs, distracting you from the task of driving. Another fun fact, it would be one thing if it were quick about it, you could/would confirm these said dialogs before you start driving, sometimes it takes minutes or longer. But I forgot I deserve to be treated like an idiot because I discovered a problem.
I won't even comment on the stupidity of that statement.
Now if your done, maybe we can get back on topic.
Oh no complained about something, oh dear! Oh wait, I am a complete idiot that doesn't KWTF he's buying! Stupid me.
Seriously? What are you three? I actually researched it quite well. Nowhere is it stated in any literature the issues I described. You think that the dealer would let me pair my phone to a vehicle I do not own? right sure, maybe where you live...
Slightly annoyed. Hardly upset. Quite a bit of a difference.
The car has a 36 month bumper to bumper, right? Why would software not be included if it fixes something that poses a safety issue?
When they release a newer version of the software that fixes all of the issues I describe yet fail to offer an upgrade, even at a reasonable charge to existing owners. You obviously think that is right.
BTW I fail to see where you arrived at "limited and ridiculous". I said ridiculous nag screens, I am not sure how that applies to the whole system or vehicle.
The fact of the matter is it is a safety issue anytime you take your eyes off the road to do something. The system in its current state asks you to confirm something, multiple times, the system is locked up until you confirm these dialogs, distracting you from the task of driving. Another fun fact, it would be one thing if it were quick about it, you could/would confirm these said dialogs before you start driving, sometimes it takes minutes or longer. But I forgot I deserve to be treated like an idiot because I discovered a problem.
I won't even comment on the stupidity of that statement.
Happy trolling to you too!
Now if your done, maybe we can get back on topic.
Whatever.... why do you think they don't offer the upgraded software that is in the newer models.... perhaps their hardware is newer and can run the newer version of that software. I don't know but it seems logical that is the reason why. Kind of like in the PC world, can't run a 64-bit program on a 32-bit computer. My experience with this is, the Acura MDX we just got rid of to get this 4Runner, had Nav and On-Star.... well all the new On-Star features that you would see advirtised I wanted, so I called the dealer and On-Star and they couldn't help me since the hardware wouldn't support the new services.
So I think it is similar to what you are slightly annoyed with. I don't get on here to troll.... but sometimes when I read someone's comments and get frustrated as it comes off as though it is everyone else's fault.
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jrandom
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You could simply apologize for being a dick, I see that is not in your nature, so yeah whatever. I won't worry about.
LOL I write tools for software, thanks for the PC analogy. You can throw out more hypotheticals, point is you can take something out of code easier than you can insert it, leaving more space on the ROM. Did you even read the entirety of my post(s)? I was talking about three confirm/cancel screens NOT new features.
Regardless the OT was talking about the guidelines which used to be included in older versions (it even says in my 2013 manuals "If Equipped") and were removed, presumably because some DA backed into something and blamed it on the guidelines.
LOL I write tools for software, thanks for the PC analogy. You can throw out more hypotheticals, point is you can take something out of code easier than you can insert it, leaving more space on the ROM. Did you even read the entirety of my post(s)? I was talking about three confirm/cancel screens NOT new features.
Regardless the OT was talking about the guidelines which used to be included in older versions (it even says in my 2013 manuals "If Equipped") and were removed, presumably because some DA backed into something and blamed it on the guidelines.
eddiebx
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Did you even bother to comprehend his complaint before jumping the gun? lols
I really wish the guidelines were on the backup cam as well. Not that it would have affected my decision to purchase the vehicle, but I just assumed it had them, as nearly every backup cam I've seen in the past several years has them. I'm not holding out that Toyota will update it, but it would be great if they did! 
Prestige Worldwide
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I really wish the guidelines were on the backup cam as well. Not that it would have affected my decision to purchase the vehicle, but I just assumed it had them, as nearly every backup cam I've seen in the past several years has them. I'm not holding out that Toyota will update it, but it would be great if they did!
Earlier this evening I spoke with the service manager at the dealership where I purchased my 4R. I asked him if my backup camera could be updated to show the guidelines. When neither he nor any of his techs could answer the question, he subsequently contacted the regional service manager. The regional manager advised him that if the Toyota I purchased did not come with the parking assist feature then it wouldn't have the superimposed guidelines on the viewing screen. He added that my unit could not be updated/flashed to show the guidelines without installing the parking assist option.
Youngerarlaw
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I have a 2013 LE and didn't have an option for anything other than what I purchased. Back up cam, no assist. Guessing the parking assist has the sonar or radar or whatever it is....bumper circles
Going in for service next week and will update if I get a different answer.
Going in for service next week and will update if I get a different answer.
Youngerarlaw
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I am impressed with Toyota. They responded.
"Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.
We appreciate the opportunity to address your inquiry.
The latest Entune update is version, v2.1, which is available in the form of a USB stick. However, we sincerely apologize as there is not a software update available that will add the guidelines for the backup camera.
Please schedule an appointment with your local Toyota dealer by telephone to have the upgrade performed. Alternatively, you may wish to schedule an appointment through our Toyota Owners web site by selecting the “Dealer” tab and locating the dealer you wish to schedule an appointment with."
"Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.
We appreciate the opportunity to address your inquiry.
The latest Entune update is version, v2.1, which is available in the form of a USB stick. However, we sincerely apologize as there is not a software update available that will add the guidelines for the backup camera.
Please schedule an appointment with your local Toyota dealer by telephone to have the upgrade performed. Alternatively, you may wish to schedule an appointment through our Toyota Owners web site by selecting the “Dealer” tab and locating the dealer you wish to schedule an appointment with."
