2016 Lift being ordered tomorrow.. Tire dilemma!

[HazemA]

Hey guys.

Through all of the resources available on this forum, including 1engineer's informative thread (please don't let that make your head get any bigger I have decided on the following lift setup:

Bilstein 6112 at 2.5" up front
Bilstein 5160 w 2" Icon spring at rear

Now tires... this is the hard part. I do NOT mind trimming the fender liner/ mudflaps, but I definitely don't want to do the body mount chop.

Ideally I would order 285/70 KO2's or STT pro's.. but this is only if I can clear the body mounts. I like this option because I have TRD Pro wheels that are 7" wide, and I do NOT want to run spidertrax spacers (for safety reasons among others)

If I absolutely cannot clear the body mount while running 285's with 2.5" of lift up front, then I am left with the following options, which I am slightly torn between.

275/80 KO2 (I feel this doesn't adequately fill up the wheel well with the amount of lift I am planning to install this week) but I love the look of the K02 and it has great performance from all the research I have done.

255/80 S/T Maxx (Pizza Cutters) these fill up the wheel wells pretty well, however from a width standpoint, they may look narrow on the TRD pro wheel.

34x10.5 BFG KO2 (essentially 265/80) Now this is tricky.. it is not a common size, however i found cf_coder runs these successfully with no rubbing on a 3" toytec ultimate lift. The problem is I will only have 2.5" of lift and this is technically a 34" tire.. couple that with the fact that they are not a common size for 4runner guys, information is limited.

Ultimately, I know I want a bigger tire, but I have to be honest with myself on if it is worth the headache.. I can handle a drop in MPG (would rather not but I am prepared for it) but I do not under any circumstances want to chop up the body of my new truck.

Now, if the 275 KO2 and the 255/80 S/T max look similar, the s/t max may be attractive in that it not only fills up the wheel well, but would provide a better on-highway ride.

Thoughts? I have searched and searched, found a few sets of pictures, but it seems that all the 275/80 people run them without a lift and that skews the appearance in the wheel well.

Thanks guys!

 

[FiReBReTHa]

this is exactly my same dilemma except im stuck between

285s and 275 Ko2s

 

[wfo9]

285s will not require a body mount chop with the wheels you are running as long as the alignment has enough + caster dialed in. You might, need aftermarket UCAs to get the alignment... but if that is the case the on road tracking will also be twitchy and you will want them anyway. You want about 3.5 - 4*+ caster.

The bfg 34x10.5 will also probably work.. It measures out at 33.5 (not 34). Will be close, but I think it would clear.

Not a fan of the 255/80 myself.

There is not a 275/80/17 that I know of.... 285/70/17 is the easy button.

 

[Dark Lord]

I'm currently running the LT 255/80R17 ST Maxx's. They're not bad, I just get slight vibrations from them sometimes driving on the street. You should look at the new Nitto Ridge Grappler. I like pizza cutters, but if you get those you're looking at an uncommon size which would be hard to find if you ever need replacement. If I could do it over again, I would probably just get Nittos in 285/70R17. I'm actually considering selling mine if you're interested. They have less than 6K miles.

 

[HazemA]

285s will not require a body mount chop with the wheels you are running as long as the alignment has enough + caster dialed in. You might, need aftermarket UCAs to get the alignment... but if that is the case the on road tracking will also be twitchy and you will want them anyway. You want about 3.5 - 4*+ caster.

The bfg 34x10.5 will also probably work.. It measures out at 33.5 (not 34). Will be close, but I think it would clear.

Not a fan of the 255/80 myself.

There is not a 275/80/17 that I know of.... 285/70/17 is the easy button.

Well the problem with UCA's... Are that I heard you must clean/grease/maintain them. Am I correct about the maintenance part or am I blowing this out of proportion? A huge reason why I love the 4Runner is how simple maintenance is and how compliant they are. I don't want a finicky vehicle (would have bought a Land Rover if so) and as a result want to keep things simple.


At this very second I'm leaning towards the 275 K02s.. I figure if they look way too small I can likely sell them easily at that size for a $1-200 loss. Then order the 285 and give it another go.. What do you think of that idea?

 

[Saker]

Hey guys.

Through all of the resources available on this forum, including 1engineer's informative thread (please don't let that make your head get any bigger I have decided on the following lift setup:

Bilstein 6112 at 2.5" up front
Bilstein 5160 w 2" Icon spring at rear

.......Thanks guys!

Hello [MENTION=20137]HazemA[/MENTION],

I just wanted to make you aware, if you don't already know about the height pamphlet that is included in the 6112's box.
You may want to glance over this and other links mentioned.
But, if you are already aware.... just disregard! :yo:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/2398928-post26.html

 

[Dark Lord]

Well the problem with UCA's... Are that I heard you must clean/grease/maintain them. Am I correct about the maintenance part or am I blowing this out of proportion? A huge reason why I love the 4Runner is how simple maintenance is and how compliant they are. I don't want a finicky vehicle (would have bought a Land Rover if so) and as a result want to keep things simple.


At this very second I'm leaning towards the 275 K02s.. I figure if they look way too small I can likely sell them easily at that size for a $1-200 loss. Then order the 285 and give it another go.. What do you think of that idea?

With a lift I would get aftermarket UCA's. If you don't like the maintenance that comes with uniball UCA's (which isn't that bad), get the LR ones. The handling feels way too squirrelly, unstable, and unsafe without enough caster IMO.

As for buying and selling the tires, don't do that either, that's a horrible idea. Just get what you want, and live with it. Buy once cry once.


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[wfo9]

Well the problem with UCA's... Are that I heard you must clean/grease/maintain them. Am I correct about the maintenance part or am I blowing this out of proportion? A huge reason why I love the 4Runner is how simple maintenance is and how compliant they are. I don't want a finicky vehicle (would have bought a Land Rover if so) and as a result want to keep things simple.


At this very second I'm leaning towards the 275 K02s.. I figure if they look way too small I can likely sell them easily at that size for a $1-200 loss. Then order the 285 and give it another go.. What do you think of that idea?

100-200 loss? LOL, good luck with that.

Simple answer here.. If you are worried about hassles.... Keep it stock and don't lift it. You are introducing lots of potential maintenance issues with a lift.

There are no major hassles with aftermarket UCAs. If there are any issues.. they are blown way out of proportion.

Your truck will not track that well without them once lifted. You may or may not be able to tollerate it. Some people squeeze by.

Finally, lift does not really clear larger tires in actual off-road use. The suspension will still compress to the same bump stops... The clearance comes from a proper alignment and a little trimming.

 

[Foques]

with 2.5" lift you don't need UCAs. this said, with that lift and 275 KO2s on -10 offset, i'm rubbing in reverse.
I'd loved to go with 285, but I'm pretty sure that rubbing would've been even worse.

 

[wfo9]

with 2.5" lift you don't need UCAs. this said, with that lift and 275 KO2s on -10 offset, i'm rubbing in reverse.
I'd loved to go with 285, but I'm pretty sure that rubbing would've been even worse.

Rubbing in reverse (on the front) is usually solved by a little trimming.

-10 offset on what? You realize that is basically useless information without the rim width.

Needing UCAs is very subjective. The stock UCAs are designed for stock ride height. You can squeeze by without putting the upper ball in the proper position when lifted, but it depends on what you are willing to tolerate in terms of road manners. 2.5-3" lift is not that much of a difference.. I know a lot of people who tried to go without UCAs... everyone of them eventually caved and did it right.

 

[HazemA]

Thanks for all the input, guys. I'll get to each one of your responses individually in a moment.

I came across this video and like the look they have achieved suspension and tire wise... but the tire description in the video seems to be that of a non-existent tire size. 275/75/17 is what they have listed. It actually fills the wheel wells pretty well on the stock TRD wheels (sans wheel spacers I am also assuming)

Do you think this is a 285/70 or a 275/70 tire?

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[JSparky]

Find a tire shop that's willing to work with you on finding the right size. The one's I know would have no problem swapping tires out after a day or two of use if I wasn't happy with them.

 

[wfo9]

Thanks for all the input, guys. I'll get to each one of your responses individually in a moment.

I came across this video and like the look they have achieved suspension and tire wise... but the tire description in the video seems to be that of a non-existent tire size. 275/75/17 is what they have listed. It actually fills the wheel wells pretty well on the stock TRD wheels (sans wheel spacers I am also assuming)

Do you think this is a 285/70 or a 275/70 tire?

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275/75/17 would be very close to the 34x10.5 bfg k02. That tire measures 33.5x10.5.. 275/75/17 would be 33.2 x 10.8. And just so you know. TIres never measure to their exact advertised specs... .5" of variance is accepted industry practice.

I'm pretty sure that is the tire they have on in that video. Probably just converted to metric equivalent to avoid confusion (which probably created more for some people)...

 

[HazemA]

Hello [MENTION=20137]HazemA[/MENTION],

I just wanted to make you aware, if you don't already know about the height pamphlet that is included in the 6112's box.
You may want to glance over this and other links mentioned.
But, if you are already aware.... just disregard! :yo:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/2398928-post26.html

Hi saker,

What do you mean by unweighted 4R? Are you implying bilstein advertises these height increments with a weighted down 4Runner, for example one with a metal front bumper?

If so, what would the highest setting actually yield? From browsing the forums I've seen most all stock 4runners gain about 2.5 up front

 

[4RNEWBIE]

Great thread...

Im going same lift (6112/5160/Icon 2" springs) except Im also adding UCAs so I don't have to deal with alignment issues later. Like someone said, buy once, cry once.

I was also wondering between 275 or 285s. I will probably play it conservative and get 275s.

Good Luck

Frank

 

[Saker]

Hi saker,

What do you mean by unweighted 4R? Are you implying bilstein advertises these height increments with a weighted down 4Runner, for example one with a metal front bumper?

If so, what would the highest setting actually yield? From browsing the forums I've seen most all stock 4runners gain about 2.5 up front

Hey [MENTION=20137]HazemA[/MENTION],

Unweighted, meaning stock T4R's. No added weight to vehicle.

I am on the middle circlip (3rd) and gained a solid 2" in height.
If you compare that to what is published in the pamphlet, you will see a discrepancy as others have seen/witnessed.
Just thought I would give you that little heads-up.

 

[Tosspilot]

As I commented on the other thread linked in this discussion, I was very happy with the end results of my modest lift and tires. If you go with the 2" setting (4th ring) on the 6112s, you may further reduce any alignment issues and also reduce the need for upgraded UCAs. This also fits better with the 275s.

Another consideration, if you stick with the 275/70/17 KO's you can put a full size spare underneath. It sticks down slightly more than the 265s but not much. I do not think you could fit a 285 in the pocket. Also, I did not have any tire rub issues to deal with.

I debated the 5160s with the extra cost and reservoir. I ended up going with the 5100s and was very happy with their ability to handle a jeep trail fully loaded with camping gear.

 

[wfo9]

Another consideration, if you stick with the 275/70/17 KO's you can put a full size spare underneath. It sticks down slightly more than the 265s but not much. I do not think you could fit a 285 in the pocket. Also, I did not have any tire rub issues to deal with.

285 will fit fine in the spare location. So will the 34x10.5

 

[gm350reratliff]

Personal opinion here, I think a 255/80/17 or the KO2 34/10.50/17 would be perfect on the TRDP wheels. I have run both the KO2 and the ST Maxx and can say that the KO2 is a better daily driver but ST Maxx may be a little better in the mud. I have yet to drive the ST Maxx in the snow.

I do have a question for those that have the Icon 2" rear springs and 5160 shocks. Does the 5160 have enough travel for the Icon spring or will they limit flex too much? I'm torn between the 5160's or the 1" longer Fox shocks.

 

[blacksheep4]

Hey guys.


255/80 S/T Maxx (Pizza Cutters) these fill up the wheel wells pretty well, however from a width standpoint, they may look narrow on the TRD pro wheel.

Here are a couple pictures of mine for your reference. I have the Toytec 2" lift so it should look similar to what you have planned. I have about 1k miles on these tires, lots of highway and maybe 75 miles off road, and I am very happy with them. I do have spidertrax 1.25" spacers and already had removed the front mudflaps, and have very slight rubbing at full lock in reverse, but only when under moderate compression. I recommend these 100% but good luck with whatever you choose!