2016 Taco
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Dirty Brigade
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This new truck looks awesome.
1engineer
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Question: What is a "proper" frame strength? What is a proper frame rigidity? What is the proper frame flex needed for a decent ride? What are the proper materials needed to make a perfect frame? How does manufacturing process and material cost factor into the frame strength?
My point is as consumers, we would not know a "proper" frame strength if it came up and tapped us on the shoulder. It's easy to make something thicker or lighter or stiffer or stronger or weaker or bigger or smaller. It's NOT easy to make something that works perfect for many different applications and is reliable and durable. That "proper" frame strength might not be the strongest but the best for the application.
Thai
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I understand all that...and have stated such earlier this thread. However, the previous Taco was NOT known for its frame strength as many have observed flexing of the frame with minimal road undulation.
With competitors coming out boasting about boxed frame, Toyota should address it IMHO. Go to a Toyota dealership and see how Toyota advertises its huge disc brakes and frame of the Tundra (even tho Tundra frame is C-based).
It does not always have to have a scientific reason to advertise something...more than anything, advertisements (even bias ones) are made to settle potential buyers' minds...esp you know that every competitor will shit on Tacoma's frame. Frame is very important to truck buyers...probably more so than you think.
Thai
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Agree 100%...they should just buy rights of that video! That video is worth whatever Top Gear charges. Classic Toyota quality on film.
gm350reratliff
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Everybody wants a boxed frame. That will solve all the problems.
Well, I had a boxed frame on a 2012 F150 that I once owned. In fact, it was the thickest frame you could get on a F150 (crew cab, 6.5' bed, max tow package, rated to tow 11k). I think most of us saw that video of the F150 going over the speed bumps with the bed barely shaking then the Tundra going over the same course but the bed was moving all over. I know I watched it, definitely a selling point right? Well, Ford must've not tested my truck because the bed on my F150 danced harder than the Tundra. I honestly didn't notice it the day, maybe even the whole first week I owned it. Then driving to work one day, I went through one of many bad spots on the way while I happen to glance in the mirror. It honestly looked like the rear section of the bed wasn't bolted. That night, I crawed under there and checked all the bolts, all were tight. Then I thought, maybe it's just the way the mirrors made it look. So I had a buddy drive it while I followed in his truck. I couldn't believe what I saw. Clearly something was wrong.
I had Ford check it out too. While they said they could see the bed move, it was normal. Even slow, offroad conditions I could clearly see the bed move due to all the frame flex. Having owned a couple older Ford pickups, frame flex wasn't anything new to me but I was under the impression that this truck wouldn't do it.
So, my experience was that, the boxed frame did very little to curb frame flex. Going back to what someone posted, there are trade offs when designing/building a frame. Clearly, Ford was concerned with weight so while it was boxed, it was still thin. Probably why they stick with a C-channel frame for the Super Duty trucks. The stoutest frame I have witnessed in a pickup truck is on the GM heavy duty trucks. Not only is it boxed but it's thick and the beds don't seem to move at all. Although, they are heavy, ride rough, and don't get very good mpg. Another trade off.
Jeremy556
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Never understood the bed bounce/frame flex marketing bullshit. Stiffness != strength. Ever ride a hard tail aluminum mountain bike versus a chromo or titanium? Which has the better ride and which is stronger (not counting welding techniques)? Ever see the frame flex in a Unimog?
Pretty sure the Taco has a C channel rear section to make up for the leaf suspension ride characteristics.
Pretty sure the Taco has a C channel rear section to make up for the leaf suspension ride characteristics.
BlackWorksInc
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While I absolutely love that video and it is totally one of my favorites. It is great advertising for a 1988 diesel Hilux, not a Tacoma.
The current generation Hilux and Tacoma are on two separate frames (before the introduction of the Tacoma, the two vehicles split into separate platforms. The Hilux retained it's rugged work-ready frame, while the new Tacoma adopted a frame more tuned for ride quality, handling, comfort, and safety) and thus it is hard to believe even a first gen Tacoma would survive that kind of abuse, let alone a second or third gen. So far the 3rd gen Tacoma seems to be a slightly updated J150 platform (much in the way the J150 is a slightly updated J120 platform rather than any significant redesign.)
I'm still not convinced that this 3rd gen Tacoma is anymore more than a new body bolted on the existing J150 platform. So far all the data just seems to indicate they updated the cab and bed and it still rides on essentially a J150 platform from the previous generation. It wouldn't shock me if everything from the cab down besides the engine and transmission were the same or barely different than the current 2nd gen Tacoma equipment.
1engineer
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Who cares? It's a Toyota taking the abuse. People don't care and are easily manipulated. If you have Netflix watch "Brain Games" or "Head Games." I watched an episode last night and they took lemon jello, colored it red and fed it to several people. Every one of them said it tasted like berry or cherry. Why? Because it was red. It was lemon jello....
All what data? And does it matter? You'll never know unless someone cuts up complete frames from Gen 2 and Gen 3 and does metallurgical testing on every single part of that frame and at the end of the day does it matter? No, because the only place it matters is in people's minds.
I thought I ended this frame discussion several pages ago when I proved, unless you know every single thing about the design, material spec and manufacturing process of these frames you are just pissing in the wind.
Think about it.
NoDak
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Canadian People interested in information, please refer to this post :
[URL]https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/canadian-models-packages-and-prices.387364/page-5#post-10665803[/URL]
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. Inv MSRP
7162 - SR ACCESS CAB 4X2 4-CYL AUTO LB - $ 21844 | $ 23300
7186 - SR DOUBLE CAB 4X2 4-CYL. AUTO - $ 22355 | $ 24130
7513 - SR ACCESS CAB 4X4 4-CYL. M/T LB - $ 23274 | $ 24825
7514 - SR ACCESS CAB 4X4 4-CYL AUTO LB - $ 24728 | $ 26375
7594 - SR DOUBLE CAB 4X4 V6 AUTO - $ 26786 | $ 28915
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7122 - SR5 ACCESS CAB 4X2 4-CYL AUTO LB - $ 23799 | $ 25385
7185 - SR5 DOUBLE CAB 4X2 4-CYL AUTO - $ 24343 | $ 26275
7126 - SR5 ACCESS CAB 4X2 V6 AUTO LB - $ 25308 | $ 26995
7146 - SR5 DOUBLE CAB 4X2 V6 AUTO - $ 25926 | $ 27985
7516 - SR5 ACCESS CAB 4X4 4-CYL AUTO LB - $ 26681 | $ 28460
7170 - SR5 DOUBLE CAB 4X2 V6 AUTO LB - $ 26389 | $ 28485
7558 - SR5 ACCESS CAB 4X4 V6 AUTO - $ 28284 | $ 30170
7540 - SR5 DOUBLE CAB 4X4 V6 AUTO - $ 28774 | $ 31060
7570 - SR5 DOUBLE CAB 4X4 V6 AUTO LB - $ 29237 | $ 31560
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7128 - TRD SPORT ACCESS CAB 4X2 V6 AUTO LB - $ 27812 | $ 29665
7148 - TRD SPORT DOUBLE CAB 4X2 V6 AUTO - $ 28502 | $ 30765
7172 - TRD SPORT DOUBLE CAB 4X2 V6 AUTO LB - $ 28965 | $ 31265
7559 - TRD SPORT ACCESS CAB 4X4 V6 M/T LB - $ 29362 | $ 31320
7543 - TRD SPORT DOUBLE CAB 4X4 V6 M/T - $ 29738 | $ 32100
7560 - TRD SPORT ACCESS CAB V6 AUTO LB - $ 30893 | $ 32950
7542 - TRD SPORT DOUBLE CAB 4X4 V6 AUTO - $ 31249 | $ 33730
7566 - TRD SPORT DOUBLE CAB 4X4 V6 AUTO LB - $ 31814 | $ 34340
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7150 - TRD OFF ROAD DOUBLE CAB 4X2 V6 AUTO - $ 28502 | $ 30765
7545 - TRD OFF ROAD DOUBLE CAB 4X4 V6 M/T - $ 29738 | $ 32100
7562 - TRD OFF ROAD ACCESS CAB 4X4 V6 AUTO LB - $ 30893 | $ 32950
7544 - TRD OFF ROAD DOUBLE CAB 4X4 V6 AUTO - $ 31249 | $ 33730
7568 - TRD OFF ROAD DOUBLE CAB 4X4 AUTO LB - $ 31814 | $ 34340
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7182 - LIMITED DOUBLE CAB 4X2 V6 AUTO - $ 32188 | $ 34745
7582 - LIMITED DOUBLE CAB 4X4 V6 AUTO - $ 35035 | $ 37820
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All prices listed above exclude the Delivery, Processing, and Handling (DPH) fee.
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South East Toyota is showing as $935 currently.
Gulf States Toyota is showing as $950 currently.
All Other Regions is showing as $900 currently.
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. Inv | MSRP
AA - SR Alloy Wheels - $ 387 | $ 435
BZ - SR Utility Pkg (Remove Rear Seat/White Only) - $ -1441 | $ -1715
LL - SR Convenience Pkg - $ 428 | $ 480
DM - SR5 Appearance Pkg w/ Entune Prem/Park (I4) - $ 1269 | $ 1425
SM - SR5 Appearance Pkg w/o Entune Prem/Park (I4) - $ 579 | $ 650
DN - SR5 Appearance Pkg w/ Entune Prem/Park (V6) - $ 1447 | $ 1625
SN - SR5 Appearance Pkg w/o Entune Prem/Park (V6) - $ 757 | $ 850
HG - OR/Sport Prem & Tech Pkg (non JBL/AC Only) - $ 1343 | $ 1510
HH - OR/Sport Prem & Tech Pkg (non JBL/DC Only) - $ 2074 | $ 2330
FP - OR/Sport Prem & Tech Pkg (JBL/DC Only/No M/T) - $ 2701 | $ 3035
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CF - Carpet Floor Mats - $ 149 | $ 209
CJ - Bed Mat - $ 80 | $ 120
CL - Cruise Control (Fleet Only Option) - $ --- | $ ---
CT - All Weather Mats (Door Sills) - $ 119 | $ 179
C8 - Four Season Floor Mat Package (CF & CT in one) - $ 209 | $ 309
DK - Preferred Owner Portfolio - $ 0 | $ 0
DR - Roof Rail (w/ Crossbars) - $ 279 | $ 399
D2 - Cargo Divider - $ 225 | $ 325
D9 - Door Sill Protectors - $ 59 | $ 79
EE - Entune Premium Audio - $ ---- | $ ----
E5 - Exhaust Tip - $ 60 | $ 90
FE - 50 State Emissions - $ 0 | $ 0
GN - Cargo Net - $ 359 | $ 49
MF - Mudguards - $ 95 | $ 140
OC - Off Road Package - Included in Price - $ ---- | $ ----
PY - Sport Package - Included in Price - $ ---- | $ ----
Q9 - Exterior Package (7T,R2,E5,WI) - $ 625 | $ 934
RB - Cast Aluminum Running Board - $ 560 | $ 795
RT - Mini Tie Down Loop - $ 30 | $ 45
R2 - 5" Oval Tube Step Black - $ 320 | $ 469
R3 - 5" Oval Tube Step Chrome - $ 365 | $ 535
R6 - Predator Tube Step - $ 479 | $ 649
TC - Tonneau Cover - $ 579 | $ 650
TG - D-Rings - $ 35 | $ 55
TO - Towing Package - $ 579 | $ 650
V2 - Glass Break Sensor - $ 180 | $ 299
V5 - Security System VIP RS3200 Plus - $ 240 | $ 359
WI - Spare Tire Lock - $ 45 | $ 75
WL - Wheel Locks - $ 50 | $ 80
V5 - Security System (VIP RS3200 Plus) - $ 240 | $ 359
3E - Graphic (Hood) - $ 85 | $ 129
3F - TRD Air Filter - $ 70 | $ 90
3P - Paint Protection Film - $ 219 | $ 395
3Z - First Aid Kit - $ 20 | $ 30
7R - Emergency Assistant Kit - $ 45 | $ 59
7T - Bed Extender - $ 200 | $ 300
8Q - Bed Step - $ 210 | $ 300
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Color Codes Exterior
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040 - Super White
1D6 - Silver Sky Metallic
1G3 - Magnetic Grey Metallic
202 - Black
3R3 - Barcelona Red Metallic
4V6 - Quicksand
4X0 - Inferno
8T0 - Blazing Blue Pearl
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Color Codes Interior
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014 - Black ???
015 - Gun Metal Grey
024 - Hickory (Redwood)
042 - BisqueI will update this list as I get more solid pricing for these options
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update 01 : added $300 for 8Q
update 02 : cleaned up the list formatting
update 03 : added BZ code
update 04 : added CL code
update 05 : added pricing for models if available
update 06 : fixed models and LB, some errors
update 07 : updated BZ with cost
update 08 : model and pricing direct from toyota press release
update 09 : updated R6 code, i have seen 2 different pricing in this via real allocation orders
update 10 : update title
update 11 : updated list with color codes exterior and interior, DPH cost and notes for DPH
update 12 : updated WL/Q9 code prices
update 13 : added OC code for the Off Road Package
update 14 : updated description for Q9
update 15 : added link to canadian information
update 16 : all prices have been updated, new codes added
update 17 : add invoice pricing for some options
update 18 : updated invoice pricing and cleaned up table
update 19 : added HH & 7544 invoice pricing
update 20 : added PF invoice pricing and SET DPH cost
update 21 : added 7545 invoice pricing
update 22 : added 7570 & 7146 invoice pricing
update 23 : added all option packages and broke out packages outside of options
update 24 : updated all invoice pricing for all models
update 25 : updated FP package, not available on M/T versions of OR/Sport Double Cabs
update 26 : updated GST DPH as $950 and interior code 42
update 27 : updated BZ code, white only
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GHARP57
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are these invoice prices or msrp?
GHARP57
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long bed
