2020 Front Grille
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agreed. i have 2010, 2019, and now 2020 in the family. the 2020 stuff really works well. super easy to turn off with a click of a couple of menu options. i don't get why people are mad about toyota putting it. on one hand there area ton of complains about 4R missing all the tech until 2019, and on the other hand there are haters for the 2020. Buy what you like is of course free to make
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sixseasonsandamovie!!!
The_Reaper
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I agree with you 100%, it's frustrating they didn't do something with the radar. the bumper choices are very limited for us. I got the C4 Lo-Pro with the tall bull bar, it's supposed to be TSS safe.
Mudhorn
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80s is millennial
Sorry, couldn’t resist. I teach a generation collaboration in the workforce consulting class (I need to work on the name).
Who you have to look out for are these Gen Z (mid-90s).
Agree, Tesla has set a new standard in tech integrated into vehicles. More interested in the body change for 6th Gen.
Geez you guys are making me sound like an old guy.
There are problems with mandated progress. Evey $100 to the cost of the manufacturing comes out 3-4 times that in the price. So the $100 mandated back up camera costs you a bunch more. Until it breaks, then you get to pay 5-6x the cost fir repairs.
The increased cost prohibits the poor from buying reliable cars. A decent new car for a single mother is going to be $20K. With the US median income of about $40K, it makes for a pretty tight budget. They can get a used car and worry about it breaking in the summer heat with the babies in the car.
I blame it on the politicians. They all want their name on a bill and they will sign anything that says "public safety".
Also there are times when the science or manufacturing doesn't exist. Check out microstamping. It is now mandated and one person/company holds the patent, and it's virtually impossible to implement, while (if it worked) it's very easy to override. The politicians simply don't care about your or I.
The solution is education of drivers and peds . This has become obsolete. When I was a kid we were taught to not play in front of moving cars and we didn't need that stuff.
Sure a kid got whacked once in a while, but it was learning moment for everyone. :jk:
I don't disagree with you about things driving up costs, and politics being involved.
The average price of a new car is $37,851 (this is for light cars... normal people drive those). The Nissan Versa at just over $15k is the least expensive new car on the market today. People aren't buying those, if we simply look at the average transaction price it's fairly obvious. I don't remember what my point was here, but let's pretend there was one. Sweet.
All that aside, we aren't going backwards. Sure, people should learn to drive (and pay attention to things around them while doing other things such as walking), however we find out time and time again that isn't happening. That leads to laws designed to protect them. That in turn leads to people screaming about nanny states and such. It's a vicious cycle, really.
It still seems the 4Runner has some of the least tech available on a modern vehicle. They also aren't cheap. Hell, they start at just over $36k for a 2020 model.
As people get worse at driving more safety tech will be added and the price will continue to creep up.
There is also the issue of the tech in your hand causing some massive distractions. As a motorcycle rider I might be hyper sensitive to this, but the number of people I see staring at their crotches (bro, we all know that smile isn't due to the size of your... :ahem:... unit) has increased over the last few years, and got worse when the handheld laws were put in place. People are so concerned with their latest SMS, the newest Twitstagrambook post, and everything else going on that they :valley girl voice here: "literally can't even" when it comes to driving.
Fix the people if you want to stop the tech creep. At least the safety stuff. You aren't going to be able to stop the convenience and self driving stuff.
Alright, let's get back to whatever we were doing. If you read that whole mass of garbage, thank you. It was horribly written, patchy in it's flow, and quite honestly driven by a complete lack of caffeine today.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Glad someone caught that.
Still waiting on the movie part. Did you hear the cast is reuniting for a live table read? That's pretty swell. Danny Glove is even coming back for it.
I was born in the 70s (hey, six months still counts!). I'm that weird in-between generation.
08TxRunner
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Let me clarify - I'm a kid of the 80's, born in 68. :guitar2:
00Sebby
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My '20 Rubicon had lane departure assist (I turned it off), blind spot (no noise, just mirror light) and cross path detection, both which were great, auto headlights at least in the sense they turned on in rain or dark and were LEDs all around so you could actually see down the road, rear parking assist (beeper based on distance from object). The cross path detection was great because if someone in an F-1150 bro-dozer parked beside you blocking the view, as you started backing out, it would detect approaching vehicles in both directions at least 50' away. The back-up camera was HD and you could see every detail, plus it had the curves that moved based on steering angle. Again, all of the tech on the Jeep was way better than Toyota as far as execution, driver interface and intuitiveness. But it was still a Jeep and I kept seeing others' JLs fall apart.
Re turning off the radar cruise...I have a 2019 Tundra with that radar cruise and it can be set to regular cruise control. Might be similar with T4R? When you go to engage cruise hold that button in for 3 seconds and you'll see an icon like an odometer. Once you are there you depress the stalk and sets the speed.
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Maybe not the forum for me.... Just got home with my brand new T4R TRD premium. I actually WAITED until 2020 to buy it in anticipation of the safety sense package! Why a 4Runner? 2018 road trip from MA to UT and AZ almost killed my Audi on some of the so-called roads out there. Replaced all the tires and wheel bearings when I got home, but considered myself lucky to make it back.
So, next trip is summer of 2021 and I will not be worrying about surviving the roads and trails out West. But there is a lot of highway between here and there, so why not improve the chances of getting there alive with some electronic safety features? (Also, I'm an EE and have been developing test equipment for safety electronics for the last 10 years, so its really fun to actually be able to have it now.)
And, to directly address the original question: The black rectangle in the grille is the radar. The camera is between the rear view mirror and the windshield.
So, next trip is summer of 2021 and I will not be worrying about surviving the roads and trails out West. But there is a lot of highway between here and there, so why not improve the chances of getting there alive with some electronic safety features? (Also, I'm an EE and have been developing test equipment for safety electronics for the last 10 years, so its really fun to actually be able to have it now.)
And, to directly address the original question: The black rectangle in the grille is the radar. The camera is between the rear view mirror and the windshield.
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Joel McHale was on a podcast with Joey Diaz and said there are talks currently regarding a potential movie, OR even perhaps more new episodes!!
Does this sensor help very much? I do still believe it's a cool thing anyway. Toyota does not stand still and makes new unusual changes to its cars. This is a very unusual solution to put the sensor in the place where the car number is usually. Perhaps one day this will be the norm. What do you think, if you put the front grill on top, the sensor will stop working? The most logical thing is that yes. This is the main disadvantage, apparently, because the sensor will work only with a special front grill. By the way can you help me with a problem? I'm going to give my wife a new 2018 f150 grill replacement, what do you think is a good option? I've read about it and it says that this part is made of high-quality plastic + there is an LED on the front grill with which the light will be even brighter.
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Justpassedu
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Just got a 2020 with safety sense , I have yet to notice its on and it seems to be on in the settings, weird . I don't like all the features anyway after reading up on them. One thing I am wondering if anyone knows is on my wifes car it has a feature where when you put your blinker on if changing lanes and a car is in your blind spot or even close it will beep , does the 4runner have this by any chance ? It also will flash the lights on the mirrors and I have not seen mine do this either . I have a Sr5 premium .
Gamma Ray
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Yeah, for all the complaining some people do, it's really easy to deal with the Toyota Safety Sense stuff. Lane departure alert is easy to turn off and keep off, but there are various sensitivity settings that can help if you really must keep it on. And the collision assist is very unobtrusive. There are sensitivity levels for that, too.
Not in the USA, but I heard there's an option for it in Canada. If you're really desperate and willing to tinker, you might be able to retrofit a Canadian setup. I've never heard of anyone doing that, though.
