4RUNNER 2017 Vs 2013 Land Cruiser
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JSparky
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That's a great anecdote and a good example that anything can happen. Just as an fyi.. which you may already know, it's common practice for folks to swap Toyota 3rds into Rover housings to increase strength.. Disco's are not known for their axle strength, and it says something for the stock axle strength in Toyota 4wd's.
Jetboy
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I have literally never - in 20 years of backcountry travel including being trail master of an offroad club - seen a Land Rover of any model or type actually physically on a trail in the USA. I've seen lots of H1's. Dozens of unimogs, G wagons, LC45s, LC55's, Pinzgaurs, duce and a halfs, early power wagons, earth roamers, you name it - even a Toyota Mega, but never a LR. I have seen maybe 10 total in Africa in the dirt. Only maybe 1 or 2 tour companies use them compared to basically everyone else who uses land cruisers. Land Cruisers outnumber Land Rovers at least 100:1. The guide I was with said they bought a few because they were cheaper than a Land Cruiser, but none of them lasted through the first season. Considering they operate 400 vehicles - it's more than anecdotal evidence with a sample size that big.
My guess is that you've never towed one because you've never even seen another one.
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Bumbo
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I've seen this before, and its probably my favorite /DRIVE episode to date, but I figure I post it here to share.
Being a desert / dune guy, I can't help but fall in love with the LC every time I watch it.
My 4Runner is no stranger to the dunes in Glamis, but this thing is something else.
I need me some internal bypass King shocks like this guy...
Being a desert / dune guy, I can't help but fall in love with the LC every time I watch it.
My 4Runner is no stranger to the dunes in Glamis, but this thing is something else.
I need me some internal bypass King shocks like this guy...
itsdchz
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We had our LR RR on Jug Handle Road and then on to White Rim Trail almost 4 years ago. Was super impressed with it, and it took everything like a champ. We had multiple comments from Jeep people to get that "car" of these roads, it doesn't belong... I have pics of it sitting on a ledge with an over 6000ft drop and the mountains in the background. The amazing trail assistants such as crawl control, downhill assist and terrain select worked beautiful, and really made me feel almost as if the LR was running autonomous. The creature comforts of the LR and LC on those types of trails have amazing value and ease the harshness. Some people like that, some do not. I prefer my 4Runner for the challenge of enhancing my driving skills, and utilizing a more manual approach.
We have also considered a LC, however the body styles, and lack of aggressive look have steered us away. It seems to lack the classic LC look we have come to love, but who knows, in time the body style may grow on us, as it has seemed to for the OP.
Also did not know of the advanced tech of the 2013 LC, as was pointed out earlier...
k2director
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I almost bought a 2011 Land Cruiser before buying my 2016 4Runner. I liked the Land Cruiser but with the leather and all the luxury extras (refrigerator box, etc. etc) it felt like i was adding a lot of complication to a vehicle that I wanted to keep simple and focused for off-roading. Also, the LC was definitely a bigger vehicle, and I thought that would make it a little harder to handle on some trails.
Plus, mileage was already bad, and I was going to add a lot of weight to it already (tent, front rear bumpers, frige, etc) which would knock mileage down some more. And there are far more options for adding big accessories to a 4Runnner rather than a Land Cruiser...
I’m glad I went with the 4Runner...
Plus, mileage was already bad, and I was going to add a lot of weight to it already (tent, front rear bumpers, frige, etc) which would knock mileage down some more. And there are far more options for adding big accessories to a 4Runnner rather than a Land Cruiser...
I’m glad I went with the 4Runner...
I finally got a chance to drive a 200 series LC (2016). My thoughts below:
Engine: night and day difference between the 4R and the LC. Great torque, power delivery, and power band.
Transmission: I actually prefer the 5AT in the 4R to the 8AT in the LC. The LC only had 30k miles on it, but the shifts were hard even at partial throttle, which was quite jarring. It was nice to have extra gears though.
Suspension: the LC felt very planted. The ride was smooth, but maintained the good steering and overall feel that I love in the 4R. The steering was actually surprisingly heavy, way heavier than my 4R, at low speeds. Almost felt like it was low on power steering fluid.
Handling: surprisingly nimble for such a large vehicle. Significantly less lean through turns than my 4Runner, likely thanks to KDSS.
Exterior: 4R looks the part. The LC is a little too "family cruiser" to me due to how soft and rounded all of the edges are.
Interior: despite being larger than the 4R, the interior felt less spacious up front--huge armrest, but relatively small cooler box underneath it and only two cupholders for storing things. The materials were nicer than the 4R, but not nice enough considering the LC cost 2x as much. My 4R (2017, 12k miles) has more rattles/squeaks/road-noise than the LC by far--very noticeable when driving home after the test drive.
The shocking thing for me was the lack of driver's head room. In my 4Runner, I have about 6" of space between my head (I'm 6'3") and the headliner in my TRD Pro (no sunroof). In the LC, my head was touching the headliner at the seat's lowest setting. Complete deal breaker for me.
I hope the 6th gen brings a more powerful engine.
Engine: night and day difference between the 4R and the LC. Great torque, power delivery, and power band.
Transmission: I actually prefer the 5AT in the 4R to the 8AT in the LC. The LC only had 30k miles on it, but the shifts were hard even at partial throttle, which was quite jarring. It was nice to have extra gears though.
Suspension: the LC felt very planted. The ride was smooth, but maintained the good steering and overall feel that I love in the 4R. The steering was actually surprisingly heavy, way heavier than my 4R, at low speeds. Almost felt like it was low on power steering fluid.
Handling: surprisingly nimble for such a large vehicle. Significantly less lean through turns than my 4Runner, likely thanks to KDSS.
Exterior: 4R looks the part. The LC is a little too "family cruiser" to me due to how soft and rounded all of the edges are.
Interior: despite being larger than the 4R, the interior felt less spacious up front--huge armrest, but relatively small cooler box underneath it and only two cupholders for storing things. The materials were nicer than the 4R, but not nice enough considering the LC cost 2x as much. My 4R (2017, 12k miles) has more rattles/squeaks/road-noise than the LC by far--very noticeable when driving home after the test drive.
The shocking thing for me was the lack of driver's head room. In my 4Runner, I have about 6" of space between my head (I'm 6'3") and the headliner in my TRD Pro (no sunroof). In the LC, my head was touching the headliner at the seat's lowest setting. Complete deal breaker for me.
I hope the 6th gen brings a more powerful engine.
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transistor
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sup hootpie
Didn't occur to me that you're the same transistor from the other forum :embarassed:
bamma
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Just some comments:
1. There is a TSB for the 8 speed that supposedly smooths out the shifting. My 2011 has the 6 speed and it is smooth.
2. The cooler box is a mixed bag. It is awesome on road trips, and holds close to a 12 pack of cans IIRC. European and asian markets have the option for a bigger console and no cooler box. While it would be nice to have options, the cooler box has been more appreciated than I thought it would, as have the rear heated seats.
2. A set of rock warrior wheels and larger tires transforms the "family cruiser" look a bit, but I agree with you. I like the look of the 60 and the 100 personally.
3. In regards to head room, I think that was by design. One thing I absolutely hate with my 4Runner is the seating position for off-roading. I can't see shit! I have a much better view in the LC and feel a lot more confident off road.
4. The steering in mine is not heavy, even with 33" tires, although maybe a bit heavier than the 4R? Not sure if something changed on the newer design, but I would stay the steering feel is similar between the two.
5. The last thing I really appreciate is the size of the stock roof rack on the LC. Not so much a big plus for the LC per se, but a negative for the 5th gen 4R. My roof box hardly fits on my 4R unfortunately, and the back gate hits. Simply too short.
6. Last, I agree that the power band on the 5.7 is tremendous, and while I get fewer MPG compared to my 4R, the difference is a lot less than I would have imagined. My 4R consistently gets worse than the EPA rating and my LC gets better. May be a fluke, but the mpg are pretty close to the same, especially after I put larger tires on both vehicles.
I really like them both. My wife was interested in replacing the 4R with a GX 460, but after driving one she decided it wasn't worth it. the GX is so much heavier that the benefit of the V8 is not that great. Drives a lot like the 4R tbh. I'm glad she decided to keep the 4R as it only has 60k miles.
Interesting discussion. I have a '13 200 which I bought about a year and a half ago and I've been thinking about going the other way and getting an '18 4R limited.
Mine was a trade-in at a local dealer and came with a bunch of mods already: ARB bumper, OME lift, Rigid/ARB lights, and load range E tires. It's been reliable, but I think mods are killing it for me. The suspension/tires ride very harsh and the fuel economy is terrible. There's a constant creaking sound coming from the front that I can't pinpoint. I wouldn't mind the economy, but coupled with the very limited range means I'm always stopping for fuel. I noticed the Tundra now has a 38 gallon tank to deal with this issue.
I've read through this thread and previously I had seen the 4R vs LC200 thread on Expedition Portal. Gives me second thoughts on getting rid of it. This is making me consider just trading for a bone stock '14 or '15 LC.
Mine was a trade-in at a local dealer and came with a bunch of mods already: ARB bumper, OME lift, Rigid/ARB lights, and load range E tires. It's been reliable, but I think mods are killing it for me. The suspension/tires ride very harsh and the fuel economy is terrible. There's a constant creaking sound coming from the front that I can't pinpoint. I wouldn't mind the economy, but coupled with the very limited range means I'm always stopping for fuel. I noticed the Tundra now has a 38 gallon tank to deal with this issue.
I've read through this thread and previously I had seen the 4R vs LC200 thread on Expedition Portal. Gives me second thoughts on getting rid of it. This is making me consider just trading for a bone stock '14 or '15 LC.
13 around town; 16.5 on trips if I really take it easy.
is the interior really that much larger? seem pretty comparable even thought the LC is much larger. I'm guessing the interior is wider, but the trunk doesnt seem much larger, esp when you factor in the 3rd row seats of the LC
