Alcohol and Brain Structural Damage

[4Reak Show]

It’s funny...some folks here blame pesticides and chemicals in their Oatmeal as the source of danger...but then thinks that alcohol, weed, tobacco, etc. don’t have those same things....:tape:

Fair enough. All I'm saying is that I think there are lots of other things at play here than just the common go to's. Food/crops arent what they once were with all the genetic engineering, pesticides etc. Animal's aren't healthy when they're alive nor slaughtered. The air we breathe isn't clean via pollution. Water is treated with all sorts of government approved agents. Products made in foreign countries are coated in dangerous chemicals and lead and such. The list goes all.

I've never disagreed with the notion alcohol is bad. It totally is. But there is a massive list of other things in our day to day life that I would argue cause multitudes of other health concerns. They likely cause GENERATIONAL issues. Such as being passed down heriditarily over the course of kids/grandkids. These will never reach studies unless someone is willing to fund a massive research effort. And since my theory is that it causes changes in humans via generics over the course of many generations, it will likely never be detected until a long term issue is seen: such as a dramatic rise in various cancers despite education and healthy lifestyle choices in general.

 

[-JD-]

It’s funny...some folks here blame pesticides and chemicals in their Oatmeal as the source of danger...but then thinks that alcohol, weed, tobacco, etc. don’t have those same things....:tape:

Sorry but I had to post one of my favourite meme's.

 

[Thai]

Original article: A comparison of gender-linked population cancer risks between alcohol and tobacco: how many cigarettes are there in a bottle of wine? | BMC Public Health | Full Text

A Bottle of Wine Has the Cancer-Causing Potential of 5-10 Cigarettes

Drinking a bottle of wine a week (less than one drink a day) is equivalent to smoking 5 to 10 cigarettes in terms of the absolute increase in cancer risk, according to a study in BMC Public Health.

Using health survey and lifetime-cancer-risk data from the U.K., researchers report that among men who didn't smoke, one bottle of wine per week increased the absolute risk for lifetime cancer by 1%. For women, it was 1.4%.

Additionally, drinking a bottle of wine per week was equivalent to smoking five cigarettes a week for men and ten for women in terms of cancer risk. The gender gap widened with more alcohol consumed, largely because of an increase in breast cancer risk. For instance, three bottles of wine equated to eight cigarettes a week for men and 23 for women.

The authors conclude: "These findings highlight moderate levels of drinking as an important public health issue for women and identify a need to promote ... awareness."

 

[Thai]

The same ones that hid, and are currently hiding, autism risk of MMR vaccines from the public for decades. One example, or instance.

The idiots who avoided MMR due to "autism"......how's that working out for you guys?! :doh:

Measles outbreak in 24 states...and counting. 880 cases across 24 states.

Fukking dumbasses. Sorry.

 

[J.F. Sebastian]

The idiots who avoided MMR due to "autism"......how's that working out for you guys?! :doh:

Measles outbreak in 24 states...and counting. 880 cases across 24 states.

Fukking dumbasses. Sorry.

Looks like many of the outbreaks in the last decade+ have been due to people from outside the country bringing it in, like chinese people visiting Disneyland and travelers to Israel where there were already "outbreaks".

Many people who get Measles are unvaccinated so where are they coming in contact with it?

Just a few links from a 30 second search. I'm sure there are hundreds and am also sure you'll have no trouble trying to discredit any of them.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries, M.D. – Vaccine Strain of Measles Virus Found in Measles Outbreaks

Children in Two States Get Vaccine Strain Measles from MMR Vaccine

The Vaccinated Spreading Measles: WHO, Merck, CDC Documents Confirm

“Refugees, unlike most immigrant populations, are not required to have any vaccinations [including the critical MMR vaccine] before arrival in the United States,” the CDC reports. What have illegal immigrant levels hitting your borders been doing in the last decade been looking like? I'm sure it has absolutley nothing to do with it (or other previously irradicated deseases now becomin issues). /s

Typhus and other medievel deseases starting to show themselves on the streets of numerous big cities in the States to the point cops have gotten hit with them as in L.A. recently. Man, thiose cops must need more vaccinations, right nurse Thai?

Hundreds of thousands of people in the States die every year from medical malpractice or fatal mistakes under treatment (depending on sources of stats), the 3rd largest cause of death per capita, so maybe we should be vaccinating against MDs and hospitals huh?

Go ahead and pander to your institutionally arrogant, bedpan-changing douchebaggery in your pet threads but please don't quote me or associate my posts with your cognitively dissonant ignorance if you'd be so kind, fukking dumbass. Not sorry.

 

[Thai]

Looks like many of the outbreaks in the last decade+ have been due to people from outside the country bringing it in, like chinese people visiting Disneyland and travelers to Israel where there were already "outbreaks".

Many people who get Measles are unvaccinated so where are they coming in contact with it?

Just a few links from a 30 second search. I'm sure there are hundreds and am also sure you'll have no trouble trying to discredit any of them.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries, M.D. – Vaccine Strain of Measles Virus Found in Measles Outbreaks

Children in Two States Get Vaccine Strain Measles from MMR Vaccine

The Vaccinated Spreading Measles: WHO, Merck, CDC Documents Confirm

“Refugees, unlike most immigrant populations, are not required to have any vaccinations [including the critical MMR vaccine] before arrival in the United States,” the CDC reports. What have illegal immigrant levels hitting your borders been doing in the last decade been looking like? I'm sure it has absolutley nothing to do with it (or other previously irradicated deseases now becomin issues). /s

Typhus and other medievel deseases starting to show themselves on the streets of numerous big cities in the States to the point cops have gotten hit with them as in L.A. recently. Man, thiose cops must need more vaccinations, right nurse Thai?

Hundreds of thousands of people in the States die every year from medical malpractice or fatal mistakes under treatment (depending on sources of stats), the 3rd largest cause of death per capita, so maybe we should be vaccinating against MDs and hospitals huh?

Go ahead and pander to your institutionally arrogant, bedpan-changing douchebaggery in your pet threads but please don't quote me or associate my posts with your cognitively dissonant ignorance if you'd be so kind, fukking dumbass. Not sorry.

Ignorance? Your three links are a joke! Are you seriously quoting them??

Sure, there are outbreaks locally from exposure to folks from elsewhere...that is NOT the problem at hand dude. You're gravely misinformed.

A more educational and legit link: Measles | Cases and Outbreaks | CDC

Yeah, just avoid hospitals and docs...we won't be missing you much...except when you come in begging for help...as are the current self-decided unvaccinated idiots who are getting measles and then putting every babies around them at risk!

Fukking dumbasses. Sorry. I am still polite.

 

[tcbaklash]

Imagine living your entire life just trying to play it safe, and then dying anyway.

We know that alcohol and tobacco is unhealthy beyond measure and that fact has been shoved down our throats for the past 5 decades every other commercial break, billboard, and magazine advertisement. Some of us just want to feel good and this is what makes us feel good. No amount of facts or evidence can take an emotional desire away from a human being. We wanna get loaded, and we wanna have a good time.

 

[J.F. Sebastian]

Ignorance? Your three links are a joke! Are you seriously quoting them??

Sure, there are outbreaks locally from exposure to folks from elsewhere...that is NOT the problem at hand dude. You're gravely misinformed.

A more educational and legit link: Measles | Cases and Outbreaks | CDC

Yeah, just avoid hospitals and docs...we won't be missing you much...except when you come in begging for help...as are the current self-decided unvaccinated idiots who are getting measles and then putting every babies around them at risk!

Fukking dumbasses. Sorry. I am still polite.

Links are a joke huh? So, the doctors you hold in such devine regard are a joke? There are quite a few other MDs and PhDs who have written articles and given interviews like the neurologist's interview I linked to. Research into sources of vaccine and wild strains, cause and effect by other doctors are a joke? Direct quotes from your beloved CDC are a joke too?

Oh, but nurse Thai knows all, no problem calling doctors and researchers "jokes".

Your arrogance and willful ignorance is laid bare. You are the only joke in here, too bad you're too narcissistic and hypocritical to even see a glimmer of light. Go change a bedpan or pat your dumbass on the back for looking like such a fool, something within your scope of capability and intellect.

 

[Thai]

Links are a joke huh? So, the doctors you hold in such devine regard are a joke? There are quite a few other MDs and PhDs who have written articles and given interviews like the neurologist's interview I linked to. Research into sources of vaccine and wild strains, cause and effect by other doctors are a joke? Direct quotes from your beloved CDC are a joke too?

Oh, but nurse Thai knows all, no problem calling doctors and researchers "jokes".

Your arrogance and willful ignorance is laid bare. You are the only joke in here, too bad you're too narcissistic and hypocritical to even see a glimmer of light. Go change a bedpan or pat your dumbass on the back for looking like such a fool, something within your scope of capability and intellect.

Neurologist? You mean Dr Humphries? The NEPRHOLOGIST? That's a kidney doctor........

But, Dr. Humphries is a joke......read: Why Dr Suzanne Humphries, an anti-vaccine activist, is lying to you about measles

And yet, we have ignorant folks praising the ground she walks on......even though her "research" and "sources" are completely wrong or just lies from the actual conclusion of the research.....and that is why we have this measles outbreak.......

BTW, Dr. Humphries also responded to the above linked article.......giving more ambiguous answers. LOL

FYI...despite her claim that she left a successful practice and achieve high education........she was NOT a board certified nephrologist. She went thru fellowship i assume to be a nephrologist, but may not have passed the board exam to be certified.

Within the past decade, more and more insurances are pressing for board certification before they would reimburse. Most insurances nowadays require their physicians to be board certified to get reimbursements. She would have a financial issue with her practice if she was not board certified...and she wasn't.

Wrong About Polio: A Review of Suzanne Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk’s “Dissolving Illusions” Part 1 (the long version) – Science-Based Medicine

Another who discredits your prized speaker.

J.F. Sebastian, seriously, you are gravely mis-informed. You need to open your mind. Don't fall for these things dude.

Nurse Thai. Being a nurse in this thread is not so bad...where's my back pay?!

 

[thennen]

Just to throw a little more fuel on the measles vaccination fire, I tried looking up what the demographics are of the people actually getting measles recently. You know - are most of them already vaccinated? None of them? I'm curious, but I would think most have been vaccinated. If not, then we have lots of un-vaccinated people coming into contact with other un-vaccinated people. CDC says 91% of people ages 19 months to 17 years have been vaccinated.

I did find this from the US National Library of Medicine, National Institutes of Health (1987):

An outbreak of measles occurred in a high school with a documented vaccination level of 98 per cent. Nineteen (70 per cent) of the cases were students who had histories of measles vaccination at 12 months of age or older and are therefore considered vaccine failures. Persons who were unimmunized or immunized at less than 12 months of age had substantially higher attack rates compared to those immunized on or after 12 months of age. Vaccine failures among apparently adequately vaccinated individuals were sources of infection for at least 48 per cent of the cases in the outbreak. There was no evidence to suggest that waning immunity was a contributing factor among the vaccine failures. Close contact with cases of measles in the high school, source or provider of vaccine, sharing common activities or classes with cases, and verification of the vaccination history were not significant risk factors in the outbreak. The outbreak subsided spontaneously after four generations of illness in the school and demonstrates that when measles is introduced in a highly vaccinated population, vaccine failures may play some role in transmission but that such transmission is not usually sustained.

With all the talk going on and on about a 'measles outbreak', I've heard nothing about WHO is getting sick. I do think I heard that the bulk of the recent cases are in New York, but I'm not certain of that. Anyone else have info on the who and where?

 

[Thai]

Just to throw a little more fuel on the measles vaccination fire, I tried looking up what the demographics are of the people actually getting measles recently. You know - are most of them already vaccinated? None of them? I'm curious, but I would think most have been vaccinated. If not, then we have lots of un-vaccinated people coming into contact with other un-vaccinated people. CDC says 91% of people ages 19 months to 17 years have been vaccinated.

I did find this from the US National Library of Medicine, National Institutes of Health (1987):

An outbreak of measles occurred in a high school with a documented vaccination level of 98 per cent. Nineteen (70 per cent) of the cases were students who had histories of measles vaccination at 12 months of age or older and are therefore considered vaccine failures. Persons who were unimmunized or immunized at less than 12 months of age had substantially higher attack rates compared to those immunized on or after 12 months of age. Vaccine failures among apparently adequately vaccinated individuals were sources of infection for at least 48 per cent of the cases in the outbreak. There was no evidence to suggest that waning immunity was a contributing factor among the vaccine failures. Close contact with cases of measles in the high school, source or provider of vaccine, sharing common activities or classes with cases, and verification of the vaccination history were not significant risk factors in the outbreak. The outbreak subsided spontaneously after four generations of illness in the school and demonstrates that when measles is introduced in a highly vaccinated population, vaccine failures may play some role in transmission but that such transmission is not usually sustained.

With all the talk going on and on about a 'measles outbreak', I've heard nothing about WHO is getting sick. I do think I heard that the bulk of the recent cases are in New York, but I'm not certain of that. Anyone else have info on the who and where?

US Measles Cases in Just 5 Months of 2019 Have Exceeded Any Full Year Since 1992

Many of the U.S. outbreaks, including the one in the Pittsburgh area, can trace their origins back to other countries including Israel and the Philippines, because unvaccinated individuals who were traveling internationally brought in the highly contagious disease. Others, such as the one in New York, are being blamed on vaccine refusal in certain communities.

BTW, the United States recorded 41 new measles cases last week, bringing the year’s total number of cases to 981 in the worst outbreak of the disease since 1992, federal health officials said on Monday.

Link: U.S. health officials report 41 new cases of measles last week - Reuters

BUT, i don't want to deter away from this thread's topic. Sorry. Done with measles.

 

[runnersT4R]

What's this about measles? I didn't read it, I was too busy getting drunk while reading about all you alcoholics!
:infidel:
:naughty:

 

[Ogre75]

Hmmm

 

[rdruss]

Depends on what alcohol your drinking.

I drink 1 glass of wine at my evening dinner. 70yrs old no health problems and NO drugs from the street or doctor . still going pretty good..

I suggest to stay away from hard liqueur .. I used to drink whiskey 100 proof in my younger days , not good for your brain ....

vodka or gin IMO like drinking solvents ..

Yep, I'm 73 and take no meds of any kind. Drink a glass of cheap wine with dinner every day and a beer whenever we have pizza and can still work on my 4Runner, replaced the LCAs' yesterday and today. Used to binge drink a few times a week, beer and vodka tonics, but been about 20 years since I quit that.

 

[legrena]

I can't believe this thread, it's great stuff! :bravo:

 

[Deuxdiesel]

I am pretty sure I drink too much (wine) on a daily basis, but I don't drink pop or milk, I don't eat meat, I never touch fast-food, and eat mostly fresh veggies and whole grains. I'm hoping one balances out the other.

 

[Mass 4runner]

Drinking, smoking, drugs, fast living... Extreme sports... They'll take years off your life.

The good news is, they'll be the last years so don't hassle it.

"In 1969 I gave-up women and alcohol - it was the worst 20 minutes of my life" - George Best

Yeah, I know this is an old thread, but here is the last picture of George Best, right before he died at age 59.

 

[AllerkrosS3]

In fact, a very controversial theory, because scientists have also proved the positive effect of alcohol on the human body. It may also be that alcohol has two effects at the same time, it is positive and negative, like potions in games, when you drink it you improve some characteristics, but at the same time worsen others. Here we are already talking about a choice, but is it worth it or is it better to seek help from professionals who have been through this or know more about it so that they once and for all determine your position on alcohol and its consequences. However, it's up to you to decide whether to drink in the future or not.

 

[shawn42]

Was going to post a witty retort here to get my post count up so I can ask a question. But having read through some of it, being witty in this thread doesn't really seem worth it, or appropriate. So I'll just say, +1 on the post count. Thanks and have a good day.

 

[Asylvester]

Everything in moderation! Unfortunately I break that rule now and again….