Any t4R-ers Handload?

Isn't that the truth... I ended up with multiple competition seating dies for the same cartridge due to how/where the seating stem engages the ogive.

The closer you get it to the ogive, the more consistent the result.

i have the hornady match for 223 (since i basically only load hornady rifle projectiles) and hoooooly crap is it nice. Im getting anywhere from .004-.010 variance in COAL without any ogive trimming or sorting (something i will not do for the sake of time).

the problem is i have the american series dies for my 308. not only is the sizing die terribly hard to get to release the newly sized 308, im getting a huge variance in COAL. the micrometer on the top of the match dies really are something. sooooo, i guess that means match dies for every rifle caliber i need from here on out....
 
I'm still learning, and have a Forster Co-Ax setup. I've got 9mm down, building 124gn subsonics for the SBR-AR with suppressor. I've started some work on .30-06 but haven't gotten any rounds past sizing yet. Eventually I'll be loading .280Rem for my custom Win70 wearing a Krieger 5R heavy sporter. Don't have much time for one armed workouts when you're working 6 days a week.
 
I'm still learning, and have a Forster Co-Ax setup. I've got 9mm down, building 124gn subsonics for the SBR-AR with suppressor. I've started some work on .30-06 but haven't gotten any rounds past sizing yet. Eventually I'll be loading .280Rem for my custom Win70 wearing a Krieger 5R heavy sporter. Don't have much time for one armed workouts when you're working 6 days a week.

awesome, since the ar9s dont have a tilting/unlocking barrel, you dont need a booster, correct?

what projectiles and powder are you using for your 9mm subs? hopefully later this year i can get all my stuff together and get a trust setup so i can start the wonderful world of collecting tax stamps.
 
I run an old rock chucker single stage. for quality, not volume. mostly .30-06 and 300wm. but would like to get a progressive or turret for some pistol output. its been a few years since I loaded though. did some house remodeling, and that area got turned into storage..ish...




as has been mentioned, I dont really load cheaper than I can buy. but that's because im loading much better rounds.
 
I run an old rock chucker single stage. for quality, not volume. mostly .30-06 and 300wm. but would like to get a progressive or turret for some pistol output. its been a few years since I loaded though. did some house remodeling, and that area got turned into storage..ish...




as has been mentioned, I dont really load cheaper than I can buy. but that's because im loading much better rounds.

with the right setup you can still load match grade rifle rounds on a progressive. its all just how you are setup. i buy hornady 62gr boat tail hollow points for my general 223/556 load. sure its probably a little overkill for general training rounds, but i believe its only a cent more per round than the standard 62gr projectile hornady makes. i have been able to get a 0.52 moa grouping at 100 yds with a 5 shot group with this projectile and load. if i had more time with this rifle (its my shooting partners) and a better shooting setup i could likely get the group to shrink even more. my favorite part about this round is only the projectile and primers i use are considered 'match grade'. i use CFE 223 powder and 1x fired LC cases, which are generally not mentioned when trying to make match 223 rounds.

that is the beautiful thing about reloading. you can load up some cheap plinking rounds for cheaper than what you can buy factory, or you can splurge a little more for nicer projectiles, etc. and still come out around even or possibly a little more than factory, but you are getting a lot better of a round overall (plus the pride of you making it). once you figure out a load you're basically set until you want to try another powder or projectile.

on another note, my ar10 build is almost done, just waiting on the barrel (warranty). i have some 168gr hornady ELDs waiting to be loaded up. i will be sure to post my results once i get the build up and running!
 
awesome, since the ar9s dont have a tilting/unlocking barrel, you dont need a booster, correct?

what projectiles and powder are you using for your 9mm subs? hopefully later this year i can get all my stuff together and get a trust setup so i can start the wonderful world of collecting tax stamps.

I built an SBR lower out of Spikes & LaRue parts. One upper is CMMG's RDB system with the MeanMag conversion for regular P-mags. No booster required so I put a 3-lug on it. Makes it easier to swap between the CMMG upper and the Black Rifle Arms 300BLK piston upper. Can is Rugged Obsidian45 with 9mm end cap.

X-treme Bullets 124gr FP on top of 4.0-4.2gr Win AutoComp. Velocities from 8" barrel are 860-980fps for the range. I'm not picky about the exact velocity since staying subsonic. 4.3gr is still subsonic, but definitely louder than 4.2 or less even with the can.
I was worried about using such a light bullet as a subsonic, but a buddy of mine says the 124's tend to work best. He's had lots of feeding & cycling issues trying to get a load for his 147's. Somewhere I have a bunch of 161's yet to play with because I can't find any data for anything close to that heavy.
 
I built an SBR lower out of Spikes & LaRue parts. One upper is CMMG's RDB system with the MeanMag conversion for regular P-mags. No booster required so I put a 3-lug on it. Makes it easier to swap between the CMMG upper and the Black Rifle Arms 300BLK piston upper. Can is Rugged Obsidian45 with 9mm end cap.

X-treme Bullets 124gr FP on top of 4.0-4.2gr Win AutoComp. Velocities from 8" barrel are 860-980fps for the range. I'm not picky about the exact velocity since staying subsonic. 4.3gr is still subsonic, but definitely louder than 4.2 or less even with the can.
I was worried about using such a light bullet as a subsonic, but a buddy of mine says the 124's tend to work best. He's had lots of feeding & cycling issues trying to get a load for his 147's. Somewhere I have a bunch of 161's yet to play with because I can't find any data for anything close to that heavy.
i hear that CMMG system is pretty good. it wouldnt surprise me if that type of design will be the future and common blowback we see everywhere will eventually be phased out. dont get me wrong, i freaking love my blowback ar9 and how soft it shoots, but hoooooooly crap does it get dirty. it doesnt help that im not the best with my cleaning regiment either. does your CMMG get dirty pretty quickly?

macon armory out of Georgia makes DI 45 upper kits with the same style BCG used in the CMMG system (the big difference being this is DI and the CMMG kit is a radial delayed blowback). so we will definitely be seeing more refined PCC bolt and gas systems and time goes on. isnt SHOT show next week? hell we may even see something then.

i have heard great things about the endo mags, although i like my PCC lowers to be glock fed as that is what i primarily shoot for my sidearm.

as for subsonic 9mm, the standard grain weight is usually always 147gr although i have seen some 124gr sub loads. i know subs can be finicky at times, so you just have to find out what works with you. you also have an 8" barrel, which will add a little velocity as most 9mm stuff isnt longer than 5" or 5.5". im sure if you google it, you can find 160/161 load data. its not too far off of 147 gr, so the powder charge will be less, but not by a whole lot.
 
i hear that CMMG system is pretty good. it wouldnt surprise me if that type of design will be the future and common blowback we see everywhere will eventually be phased out. dont get me wrong, i freaking love my blowback ar9 and how soft it shoots, but hoooooooly crap does it get dirty. it doesnt help that im not the best with my cleaning regiment either. does your CMMG get dirty pretty quickly?

macon armory out of Georgia makes DI 45 upper kits with the same style BCG used in the CMMG system (the big difference being this is DI and the CMMG kit is a radial delayed blowback). so we will definitely be seeing more refined PCC bolt and gas systems and time goes on. isnt SHOT show next week? hell we may even see something then.

i have heard great things about the endo mags, although i like my PCC lowers to be glock fed as that is what i primarily shoot for my sidearm.

as for subsonic 9mm, the standard grain weight is usually always 147gr although i have seen some 124gr sub loads. i know subs can be finicky at times, so you just have to find out what works with you. you also have an 8" barrel, which will add a little velocity as most 9mm stuff isnt longer than 5" or 5.5". im sure if you google it, you can find 160/161 load data. its not too far off of 147 gr, so the powder charge will be less, but not by a whole lot.

You think the blowback AR9 runs smooth, wait until you try the RDB. Delayed blowback AND lighter reciprocating bolt group means a softer shoot and lighter weight weapon! And I'm not just thinking it's lighter with 8" less barrel either. I have a also Rock River AR9 which is a hefty gun, before I started changing things to shoot even smoother. Everything I've seen shows the CMMG to run cleaner too as the powder has more time to burn before the chamber is unlocked. The dwell doesn't seem significant, but it's enough. The RR AR9 has more than occasionally spit out brass that was scorched, though not as badly after adding the Wolf XP spring and Heavy Q.

The EndoMag has been running great, just make sure they send you the right version, it's different for CMMG RDB vs blowback designs. I'm not a Glock-guy, so the only thing I have that runs those is the KelTec Sub2000. I only picked it for those to get the 33rd capacity.

I've looked into AR45's, most specifically the Bazooka Bros that uses the grease gun mags. Then I keep remembering about that 2lb weight of a bolt group on the Colt SMG design (and my RR AR9), and can't imagine it being enough help on the 45ACP. A DI 45 sounds interesting, but 45 is already a pretty dirty round. Adding gas back into the BCG doesn't like something I want to clean on a regular basis. There's a reason I prefer piston guns, and it's because I don't have to spend so much time getting them clean!

As for SHOT show and the up and coming, I agree that PCC is an up and coming. When Ruger dropped the RC9 I was surprised, though not too much given the discontinued Marlin Camp Carbine it seems to be replacing. I think there's always going to be a PCC need, the difference is how refined the carbine will be. Obviously something purpose designed would be best, but there are lots of those which only come out ok because of the desired price point. The Beretta Cx4 Storm never did well, though it was a plastic thing with a horrible trigger. The KelTec is better, but gets even more so when you dump a bunch of M-Carbo parts into it. The short of it though is that pistol calibers are fun and cheap, but will never match the capability of a rifle round. I do find it slightly odd that the levers are coming back too as seen with the new Marlin 336 Dark Series. Although to be competitive the levers are really going to have to adapt to the newer more powerful rounds. The new .350 Legend seems like a pretty viable replacement for the .357Mag. Though they've heralded the .30-30 as dead how many times over now?

I've searched Google before for 161 load data and come up blank. I just removed the 9mm tag from it, I'm seeing much different results. Apparently it's supposed to be more for 38Spl/357Mag than 9mm. Good thing I have a set of dies, brass, and a rifle for those too!
 
I run dual Dillon 650's for both pistol and rifle calibers with a Co-Ax for precision long distance stuff.

Calibers:
9mm (124 plinking, 124 SD, 147 Subs, 165 subs)
38sp/357 Mag
223 (bolt and AR)
223AI (bolt)
300blk
308 (Subs and plinking)
6.5 Creedmoor
7 SAUM

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I run dual Dillon 650's for both pistol and rifle calibers with a Co-Ax for precision long distance stuff.

Calibers:
9mm (124 plinking, 124 SD, 147 Subs, 165 subs)
38sp/357 Mag
223 (bolt and AR)
223AI (bolt)
300blk
308 (Subs and plinking)
6.5 Creedmoor
7 SAUM
awesome! you seem to really have committed!

how do you like that annealze (sp?) annealer? i need to buy one and i dont want to shell out 500 bones for a giraud if i dont need too.
 
awesome! you seem to really have committed!

Yeah....I spent a full uspsa season loading on a single stage. vowed never again. ha

how do you like that annealze (sp?) annealer? i need to buy one and i dont want to shell out 500 bones for a giraud if i dont need too.

It works well. You spend a little more time on the set up but worth the investment. just make sure you pick up a bottle of tempilaq - takes the guess work out of the process.
 
hope all is well with everyone! despite being busy with other projects and my full time job, i managed to do something ive wanted to do for a while. i drew, printed, and shot some 3d printed 9mm projectiles out of my ar9 that i just got back up and running again.

they still need tweaking, but they did seal up against the rifling and stabilize. once i get the size and profile finalized i will be putting metal weights in the center to try and get them to weigh more. right now they are just shy of 14 grains. if you want to see pics check out @booozyhoperators on IG (3 o's).

i also finished my ar10 build and now i need to buy a mighty armory 308 sizing die as i absolutely hate the hornady sizing die i have; the expander ball is way too hard on my machine. its been a very warm winter where i am at with very little snow, so i have been tacking advantage of that.
 
hope all is well with everyone! despite being busy with other projects and my full time job, i managed to do something ive wanted to do for a while. i drew, printed, and shot some 3d printed 9mm projectiles out of my ar9 that i just got back up and running again.

they still need tweaking, but they did seal up against the rifling and stabilize. once i get the size and profile finalized i will be putting metal weights in the center to try and get them to weigh more. right now they are just shy of 14 grains. if you want to see pics check out @booozyhoperators on IG (3 o's).

i also finished my ar10 build and now i need to buy a mighty armory 308 sizing die as i absolutely hate the hornady sizing die i have; the expander ball is way too hard on my machine. its been a very warm winter where i am at with very little snow, so i have been tacking advantage of that.

Interesting concept. curious to see how they hold up with a little more powder and what bullet design you come up with to stabilize.

I have the might armory decapping die and they are awesome!!
 
Interesting concept. curious to see how they hold up with a little more powder and what bullet design you come up with to stabilize.

I have the might armory decapping die and they are awesome!!

i basically re drew a gallant 125gr round nose coated projectile. its close but its not a perfect match of the gallant bullet. i recovered 2 projectiles and you can tell they sealed against the rifling, they also stabilized okay. i shot them through a chrono, but i was having issues with the thing and didnt get good readings.

right now the biggest issue is trying to get some mass inside these projectiles. i might give lead a shot or see if i can find some 25 acp projectiles to up the weight. its sort of counter intuitive to stuff a bullet into a 3d printed bullet, but i guess that is whats needed to get it done. someone suggested stuffing the prints with tungsten, but i was told i will likely run into some sort of legal issue (armor piercing stuff?). its also incredibly expensive compared to lead. i think im going to give lead a shot first; although i need to finalize my ogive and bullet OAL profile first before i move on.
 
Been reloading off and on for 30 years. RCBS gear.

I've worked up some good (in my guns) big game hunting loads for .270 Wthby, .300 Wthby, .340 Wthby (my all-time favorite), & .375 H&H using Barnes bullets. The price of factory Weatherby ammo has approached $5 per round last time I looked, so 3-5 boxes of 20 for validating sight-in, plinking, and hunting for a season could get expensive. I used to live in Fairbanks, AK so I hunted caribou and moose annually, and bear occasionally, hence the heavy metal preferences.

For prairie dog shooting, I found some really accurate (for my guns) factory ammo for my .17HMR, .223, and .22-250, and using a single stage setup like I own to prepare hundreds of rounds of each of these would be too tedious.
 
Hope all has been well with everyone during these odd times. i am deemed 'essential' so im still at work, otherwise id be at home cranking out a bunch of rounds.

i did how ever manage to load up some 73gr hornady eld match and some 75gr BTHP projectiles in 223/556. now the snow is here and i cant get to my 100+yd shooting spot. my ar10 had to be sent to a smith due to ejection issues, now thats on its way back i guess ill load a little for that as well so when the snow clears ill have plenty of accuracy testing to do.

i put off the 9mm 3d printed bullet thing for a while because i couldnt figure out how to make them heavier without a metal insert. which IMO, is counter productive to 3d printing bullets in the first place. i re drew a new profile last night and will shoot some again as soon as the snow melts in the shorter shooting stalls. you can buy plastic infused tugnsten, but its like 200-300 bucks for a roll and i am still not sure if it would be heavy enough to create enough mass to cycle the bolt.

Hope ya'll are staying safe and getting caught up on the loading!
 
I used to, back in the day. .38/357, 5.56AR, and buy junk 12 gauge and reload by hand buckshot. fun times, 1980's
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