jrandom
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first rule of t4r club, don't talk sh!t about t4r's :hail: :spy: :biggrin1:
Anyone else disappointed with the 2019 unveiling of the T4R
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first rule of t4r club, don't talk sh!t about t4r's :hail: :spy: :biggrin1:
sn_85
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scanny
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I'm probably the only one who is completely fine with my 4Runner power. It's more than adequate in city and it allows me safely merge into highways and safely pass slow vehicles even if 4Runnner is fully loaded with a canoe on the roof. If I lived in mountains and towed big camper, I would buy a Tundra though.
VooDoo Blue is the 2019 TRD Pro color, rumors that the 2020 Pro color will finally be a green. Dealer said Toyota isn't planning on a redesign until 2022. I guess if sales are still silly high then why put time and money into further R&D to bring something new to market sooner?!
I had 1 myself, the 3.slow had more torque down low than my traded 2017 taco lol. The 4.0 could use some more torque down low but it isnt horrible like that new 3.5l.
4RunnerAquasport
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I think it's a tuning and transmission/throttle mapping problem opposed to an engine capability problem in the Taco. I had a Sienna 3.5 rental last year and that thing would pull like a tractor. I had 7 adults in it one day and everyone was surprised how fast it would jump to hwy speed. I haven't driven a 3rd gen Taco yet. I know my 5th gen 4.0 won't produce any real power until well into the 3k rpm range in 4hi/AWD (Limited). 4Lo is fun when I get to use it and the throttle map produces more torque in the lower rpm range.
Jetboy
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I've said this before. But it's worth repeating. Go test drive an RX350 and a Tacoma back to back. Nearly identical engines, nearly identical transmissions, very similar weight. Night and day difference in performance feel. It's all in the tune and gearing.
The same is generally true in Tundras vs LC200s. A stock tundra will run 0-60 around 6.0. A SC tundra is around 4.4 seconds which is ridiculous for a dealer add on. But a LC200 with they same engine and an 8 speed transmission is near 7 seconds. That's a lot slower for a lighter weight vehicle with the same engine. It's pretty obvious that Toyota has very heavy torque management keeping the power down in the LC200.
I think the proper gearing around 4.10-4.30 would work wonders for the 4Runner power delivery. IMO 4.56 is too low without a 6AT for 33" tires. At some point I'm going to just pony up the cash and have a run of 4.30 rear gearsets made so I can have them and sell the rest of the production run on Ebay. Fronts are already available.
The same is generally true in Tundras vs LC200s. A stock tundra will run 0-60 around 6.0. A SC tundra is around 4.4 seconds which is ridiculous for a dealer add on. But a LC200 with they same engine and an 8 speed transmission is near 7 seconds. That's a lot slower for a lighter weight vehicle with the same engine. It's pretty obvious that Toyota has very heavy torque management keeping the power down in the LC200.
I think the proper gearing around 4.10-4.30 would work wonders for the 4Runner power delivery. IMO 4.56 is too low without a 6AT for 33" tires. At some point I'm going to just pony up the cash and have a run of 4.30 rear gearsets made so I can have them and sell the rest of the production run on Ebay. Fronts are already available.
Jetboy
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You're right. Tundra is lighter than I thought. Crewmax 4x4 is still 100lb lighter.
Jetboy
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Nope. The only ratios for the rear axle are 3.73, 3.91, 4.56 and 4.88. There's a big gap in the middle where IMO the sweet spot is.
The transfer case should work with all the FJ Cruiser/Tacoma options from the 1GR versions. So the lefty for example. I've never really needed more gearing in the rocks. Toyota did a great job with the automatic and throttle tune in 4lo along with crawl control. I think it would help in some instances, but generally it works pretty well going slow - especially compared to a stock 3rd gen. The A750F has a 3.52 1st gear and a 2.56 low range. My 3rd gen A340F was only 2.80:1 with a 2.28 transfer case. So the 5th gen is 9.01 net first gear low. The 3rd gen was only 6.4. While not exceptional - it's pretty decent given the electronics that also help.
The problem is mostly on the highway for me. The transmission shift points are right at the margin for a stock 4Runner. With a small lift and larger tires it's gearing is too high. But 4.56 is too low. So... we're kinda stuck in the middle without a great gear ratio option.If we had a 6AT with another OD gear, 4.56 would be great. As it is - I don't think going that deep of diff gears with only 33" tires would be the right combo for good highway cruising mpg.
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100% agreed, the transmission gear ratio was horrible. I couldnt even use the 6th gear unless I was headed down hill or 95mph. The jump between 3rd and 4th was huge and ruined it, 1st gear was tall enough to keep up with a 3 on the tree 2nd gear. Horrible execution, even with the 456 gearing of the diff.
Cajun_TRD
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I'm sure Toyota is planning to put the 3.5/6speed combo from the current Tacoma in the 6th gen 4runner. If they do I hope they put something more than the 3.90s they run in the Taco. Maybe 4.30's like the Taco manuals. The steep OD in the 6speed auto keeps it in 5th a lot when you are loaded down. Its been a source of a lot of complaints that have brought down the ratings of the Tacoma.
SteadFAST 4Runner
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There wont be a redesign until 2021 ... someone in late 2016 posted a Toyota Models document here that listed their model plans for the next 10 years. Toyota 4Runner was going to remain the same. Good for us because we get to hold onto a great resale value. I would say in 2020 sell your 4Runner before the new model changes are revealed because after that resale value will drop like a soy-boy antifa .
2016 4Runner SR5
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I'm running a 3" lift with 295 Ridge Grapplers which weigh 90 pounds per wheel and tire on stock gears. All in all, the 4.0 does just fine for my needs. Of course i'd like more power but I knew what I was getting into and i'm fine with the 16 mpg I get out of it. I had a 2016 Tacoma before I bought my 2016 4Runner, kept it 8 months and only put 3500 miles on it before trading it in. The 3.5 and 6 speed auto is absolute junk and doesn't belong is a truck. 285s and 4.88 gears and still 6th gear was useless on anything but flat ground. Only way i'll sell my 5th gen and buy a 6th gen is if they offer a V8 option. If they offer the 3.5, my 5th gen will stay with me until it dies of old age.
83Mule
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The heavy and aero poor 4Runner is just not a candidate for the 3.5 (3.5...Slo!) They would need to tune more low end and gear it much better to make it passable....and passable isn't enough with the competition coming. With no real MPG advantage I hope they tweak the 4 liter for a touch more torque and gear it with the 6 speed and call it a day.:sad:
Some valid points...but then again some of the “complaints” about the 4Runner are valid too.
The v6 engine has been around, in one form or another, since the early 2000’s. The transmission is still using 5 gears, which is pathetic in this day and age, even compared to other Toyota’s. The powertrain is long overdue for an update.
Toyota knows this, but they also know there are plenty of gullible consumers who will be awed by some new badging and exterior design and will buy a 10 year old SUV because it looks new.
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hmm
If it's like the FJ then it's more like a royal blue. So, lighter than Nautical, but darker than calvary blue. I had a '15 SR5 in Nautical Blue and I did gray emblems (anthracite plasti dip) and gray TRD wheels with BF Goodrich tires, loved how it looked. But it was more just for winters and camping than any serious 4x4 adventures, so the whole trail capability isn't really relevant for me. I'd be a little hesitant to really challenge it. I have some friends that go off roading alot and one of their group has a TRD Tacoma and it seems like he's constantly breaking something so I don't know. But, I might get a '19 TRD Pro now that basically my favorite color is available, and I've seen other luxury class SUVs and crossovers with similar black trim and wheels and I really love that combination. However, $10k for basically a paint job (as far as my use) is pretty painful though. Plus, most of the cars nowadays all have dual climate as standard, but you can only get that on the limited, which bugs me since my daughter is always cold and I'm always hot. But, I love the size of the 4runner and how it drives, and she's going off to college soon, so the dual climate isn't that important anymore lol.
Also, hope the roof rack can be deleted. Seems like if you're in a big city you could get in trouble with that in some of these tighter parking garages.
Can someone tell me how the TRD Pro rides, as far as on a long trip? compared to the SR5? Also, on the Toyota web page it looks like they've switched from the Bilstein to Fox suspension. Any comments on that? I guess I need to read the rest of the posts, and see what everyone has to say.
As far as a major redesign, I wouldn't hold your breath. I think the next "major model change" is planned for 2024, with vehicles not actually hitting dealerships until spring of '24. And, there is a good chance production will be in Mexico, which means all brand new workforce, so I'd probably wait a few years before jumping into one of those.
If it's like the FJ then it's more like a royal blue. So, lighter than Nautical, but darker than calvary blue. I had a '15 SR5 in Nautical Blue and I did gray emblems (anthracite plasti dip) and gray TRD wheels with BF Goodrich tires, loved how it looked. But it was more just for winters and camping than any serious 4x4 adventures, so the whole trail capability isn't really relevant for me. I'd be a little hesitant to really challenge it. I have some friends that go off roading alot and one of their group has a TRD Tacoma and it seems like he's constantly breaking something so I don't know. But, I might get a '19 TRD Pro now that basically my favorite color is available, and I've seen other luxury class SUVs and crossovers with similar black trim and wheels and I really love that combination. However, $10k for basically a paint job (as far as my use) is pretty painful though. Plus, most of the cars nowadays all have dual climate as standard, but you can only get that on the limited, which bugs me since my daughter is always cold and I'm always hot. But, I love the size of the 4runner and how it drives, and she's going off to college soon, so the dual climate isn't that important anymore lol.
Also, hope the roof rack can be deleted. Seems like if you're in a big city you could get in trouble with that in some of these tighter parking garages.
Can someone tell me how the TRD Pro rides, as far as on a long trip? compared to the SR5? Also, on the Toyota web page it looks like they've switched from the Bilstein to Fox suspension. Any comments on that? I guess I need to read the rest of the posts, and see what everyone has to say.
As far as a major redesign, I wouldn't hold your breath. I think the next "major model change" is planned for 2024, with vehicles not actually hitting dealerships until spring of '24. And, there is a good chance production will be in Mexico, which means all brand new workforce, so I'd probably wait a few years before jumping into one of those.
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