Anyone else disappointed with the 2019 unveiling of the T4R

I guess there is a big enough market for “old school.” Disappointing to see Toyota milking these old designs for so long. They’re great vehicles but generations behind other manufacturers. The new JL wrangler looks awesome. My only worry, however, is that when they finally update the 4runner, it’ll price a lot of people out of the market. A fully loaded JL Rubicon unlimited is now around $55,000. The new 2.0 turbo option will be an additional $1000. Pushing $60K for Wrangler?


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Just saw the new 4dr Rubicon today complete with new "bubble window" in the front..with a hard top and the painted fenders it's def not bad looking..funny even they can add some new flare to something as plastic as the Wrangler, air suspension option on the 'Hawk models.. but the 4Runner gets colored lettering...ugh Toyota, UGH.
 
I don't understand why people want to see their current model become the old, outdated model. As far as I am concerned Toyota can make 5th Gens for a few more years.

I had a 16 Tacoma and trust me, that thing sucked. I ditched it after a year and got a leftover 2016 4Runner in January 2017. I wanted the old technology, because it is better.

What "old technology" do you speak of going from a 2016 Taco to a 2016 4R ? I didn't know there was that much change in the level of tech?
 
Hoping that the 2020 or 2021 4R has the features that the new 2019 RAV4 has or I think I'm going to be headed toward the RAV4.

It seems to me that it shouldn't take that much to put the new safety equipment on a 4R.

Would love to have LED headlights and fog lights from the factory, have auto high beams and auto windshield wipers.

I had those on my 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Just makes me wonder why they haven't gotten to the 2018 4Runner... ???
 
Hoping that the 2020 or 2021 4R has the features that the new 2019 RAV4 has or I think I'm going to be headed toward the RAV4.

It seems to me that it shouldn't take that much to put the new safety equipment on a 4R.

Would love to have LED headlights and fog lights from the factory, have auto high beams and auto windshield wipers.

I had those on my 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Just makes me wonder why they haven't gotten to the 2018 4Runner... ???

As someone who lives in an area that gets snow, I absolutely hate LED headlights/tail lights. I get they're bright. I have retrofitted several of my vehicles but when you can't see anything while driving on the free way in snow because your headlights and tail lights don't put out enough heat to melt the snow, it becomes a HUGE turn off.

On that note tho, I do see Toyota giving the 4runner LED fogs. Atleast.

Auto High beams seems like something they'd offer on the limited and not on the other models which I'm fine with.

And as for the auto wipers... **** that. I've had a few vehicles that had them and I absolutely hated them. In fact, the main reason I sold my BMW was because the auto wipers. No way to turn the option off and have regular intermittent wipers is stupid IMO. Let me control my vehicle. My friends 14 grand cherokee has it, he hated it but he was also able to turn them off and have regular intermittent wipers. If I can turn the function off, fine but if they pull a move like BMW and replace the intermittent function with auto sensing wipers, I, unfortunately, won't be buying another T4R.

All this new tech is cool, sure but when it comes to different climates and different people, some will hate it. Prime example is the new LED stop lights. They won't melt the snow causing traffic issues. Sure,they make heated versions but most cities wont fork out for the heated versions. I'd be worried about manufacturers doing the same. They'll put the heated into their higher end models but leave the rugged/lower models with something that'll fall short.

HIDs with LED fogs as an option for a "lighting package" in the T4R otherwise its halogens, rain sensing wipers WITH the option to turn it off and throw in the auto high beams with the lighting package. Keeps the people like me that buy the T4R for its old school ways available and simple but gives the people who want a poor mans Lexus the option for upgrades. That's the route I'd like to see them go.
 
As someone who lives in an area that gets snow, I absolutely hate LED headlights/tail lights. I get they're bright. I have retrofitted several of my vehicles but when you can't see anything while driving on the free way in snow because your headlights and tail lights don't put out enough heat to melt the snow, it becomes a HUGE turn off.

On that note tho, I do see Toyota giving the 4runner LED fogs. Atleast.

Auto High beams seems like something they'd offer on the limited and not on the other models which I'm fine with.

And as for the auto wipers... **** that. I've had a few vehicles that had them and I absolutely hated them. In fact, the main reason I sold my BMW was because the auto wipers. No way to turn the option off and have regular intermittent wipers is stupid IMO. Let me control my vehicle. My friends 14 grand cherokee has it, he hated it but he was also able to turn them off and have regular intermittent wipers. If I can turn the function off, fine but if they pull a move like BMW and replace the intermittent function with auto sensing wipers, I, unfortunately, won't be buying another T4R.

All this new tech is cool, sure but when it comes to different climates and different people, some will hate it. Prime example is the new LED stop lights. They won't melt the snow causing traffic issues. Sure,they make heated versions but most cities wont fork out for the heated versions. I'd be worried about manufacturers doing the same. They'll put the heated into their higher end models but leave the rugged/lower models with something that'll fall short.

HIDs with LED fogs as an option for a "lighting package" in the T4R otherwise its halogens, rain sensing wipers WITH the option to turn it off and throw in the auto high beams with the lighting package. Keeps the people like me that buy the T4R for its old school ways available and simple but gives the people who want a poor mans Lexus the option for upgrades. That's the route I'd like to see them go.
I live in Ohio where we also get snow, and I never thought about LED headlights becoming snow-encrusted while driving in snow. You're right - LEDs don't generate much heat. Great point!
 
You’re totally right graysquirrel. I buy a 2018 4R and the only thing thats missing is the Toyota safety sens features
 
I just got a 2019 Pro and there are some outdated stuff but we keep buying them anyways right? I think they should at least put some of the stuff that comes on the other vehicles in the pro if your paying what we pay for the pro. I had auto sensing wipers in my 2016 BMW M4 and I had the option to turn it off and on. I liked the option. My parents just got a 2019 highlander for 7k less then the pro and has more features. Its a limited and more not an off road suv but still should have some of the same equipment. No auto sense in the rear camera thats taking some getting used to. Head lights are my major complaint. Doesn't have to be led but least be brighter and up to date. Makes no sense to upgrade the fogs and thats it. Im sure there will be more I wish was different but only have had 3 days. Many have said they wish the pro had a sunroof so the got a ORP instead. They listened and put one in thinking they prob lost sales because of it. So if you complain enough they just might make a change on it.
 
As someone who lives in an area that gets snow, I absolutely hate LED headlights/tail lights. I get they're bright. I have retrofitted several of my vehicles but when you can't see anything while driving on the free way in snow because your headlights and tail lights don't put out enough heat to melt the snow, it becomes a HUGE turn off.

On that note tho, I do see Toyota giving the 4runner LED fogs. Atleast.

Auto High beams seems like something they'd offer on the limited and not on the other models which I'm fine with.

And as for the auto wipers... **** that. I've had a few vehicles that had them and I absolutely hated them. In fact, the main reason I sold my BMW was because the auto wipers. No way to turn the option off and have regular intermittent wipers is stupid IMO. Let me control my vehicle. My friends 14 grand cherokee has it, he hated it but he was also able to turn them off and have regular intermittent wipers. If I can turn the function off, fine but if they pull a move like BMW and replace the intermittent function with auto sensing wipers, I, unfortunately, won't be buying another T4R.

All this new tech is cool, sure but when it comes to different climates and different people, some will hate it. Prime example is the new LED stop lights. They won't melt the snow causing traffic issues. Sure,they make heated versions but most cities wont fork out for the heated versions. I'd be worried about manufacturers doing the same. They'll put the heated into their higher end models but leave the rugged/lower models with something that'll fall short.

HIDs with LED fogs as an option for a "lighting package" in the T4R otherwise its halogens, rain sensing wipers WITH the option to turn it off and throw in the auto high beams with the lighting package. Keeps the people like me that buy the T4R for its old school ways available and simple but gives the people who want a poor mans Lexus the option for upgrades. That's the route I'd like to see them go.

We have 2 BMW's with auto wipers a 2009 and 2017, you can absolutely turn the feature off.
 
I have factory fog leds in my '19 ORP. They have a center projector style housing that run when the fogs are on and a separate DRL to run an outer ring of leds in the fog. This is all independent of the headlight DRLs.
 
The new model doesn't concern me until I have about 300K on this one. At the rate I am racking miles up lately, that will be in about 4 years, so just in time.
 
Hoping that the 2020 or 2021 4R has the features that the new 2019 RAV4 has or I think I'm going to be headed toward the RAV4.

It seems to me that it shouldn't take that much to put the new safety equipment on a 4R.

Would love to have LED headlights and fog lights from the factory, have auto high beams and auto windshield wipers.

I had those on my 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Just makes me wonder why they haven't gotten to the 2018 4Runner... ???

I think those options might be available on the 20s.

So far on the 19s they have projector headlights. integrated foglights on some models. And an option for led fogs. As well as the taillights are standard led.

Theyve been steadily making their lighting better.

As far as the tss-p package thats still up in the air. It would be a smart move. As it seems like theyre moving away from the star system.

Just waiting to hear more from corporate about what theyre doing with the 4runner for 2020.
 
Namely the new six speed auto trans in the Taco vs the older five speed in the 4Runner.

Ahh yeah almost forgot that they upgraded the Taco but not the 4R?? So weird to me when they favor one model like that but not the other with essentially the same weight/engine/towing/purposes? What did you think of the Taco trans, was it noticeably nicer for acceleration/carrying a load?
 
Hoping that the 2020 or 2021 4R has the features that the new 2019 RAV4 has or I think I'm going to be headed toward the RAV4.

It seems to me that it shouldn't take that much to put the new safety equipment on a 4R.

Would love to have LED headlights and fog lights from the factory, have auto high beams and auto windshield wipers.

I had those on my 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Just makes me wonder why they haven't gotten to the 2018 4Runner... ???

I was just thinking this exact thing yesterday after seeing a write-up on the new Rav4..it's gone from basically a smaller low-budget SUV for everyone to a larger, luxury finish with all the little safety bells and whistles and interior upgrades that it seems like they haven't touched in the 4R in 8 years now...how does that even happen? Is it because we keep buying the 4R, or are they really trying to push everyone into a RAV4 or Highlander or make the jump to a Landcruiser? It's so bizarre to me the way they leave the 4R out of almost all factory upgrades to interior..but we are a different breed that keeps buying faithfully so maybe it's also a "if it aint broke dont fix it" situation?
 
With how well the truck is selling, I wouldn't expect any massive changes quite yet. All of Toyota's BOF SUVs are going on the TNGA-F platform and there are a lot of delays so I think it's all a ways off.

I think they could do a refresh though. Update the gauges and center stack to the latest stuff, so we have Carplay at least. Add in TSS 2.0. Update all the lighting to LED like the rest of the new Toyota lineup.

This would keep the basic platform viable for another 5 years if they want.

Sales numbers...
Toyota 4Runner

2017—128.296
2016—111.952
2015—97.034
2014—76.906
2013—51.625
2012—48.753
2011—44.316
2010—46.531 (5th gen)
2009—19.675
2008—47.878
2007—87.718
2006—103.086
2005—103.829
2004—114.212
2003—109.307 (4th Gen)
 
Ahh yeah almost forgot that they upgraded the Taco but not the 4R?? So weird to me when they favor one model like that but not the other with essentially the same weight/engine/towing/purposes? What did you think of the Taco trans, was it noticeably nicer for acceleration/carrying a load?

Toyota didn’t favor the Tacoma over the 4Runner in any aspect. The 2nd generation Tacoma ran from 2005-2015 with slight changes during the 10 years. Then came the 3rd generation Tacoma in 2016 which I’m sure will run for another 10 years with slight changes. 5th generation 4Runner started in 2010 and have heard will run until 2020. Makes sense to me and if anyone thought they were going to change before the 10 year mark, well seems like wishful thinking.
 
Ancient ass wheezy engine and clunky 5 speed with no real highway gear.

I’m supposed to believe this is for the sake of durability when the GX and TLC get V8s and do just fine.

Just make these an option so the crowd who loves the slow ass drivetrain can be happy and party like it’s 2003 all over again. I’m sure a 2-3k drivetrain option will be a drop in the bucket for people who pay 60k for a TRD Bro.

Can’t afford 3k on an engine, but look at my 12,000 worth of mods on Instagram!!! There’s a refugee tent on the roof!
 
Toyota didn’t favor the Tacoma over the 4Runner in any aspect. The 2nd generation Tacoma ran from 2005-2015 with slight changes during the 10 years. Then came the 3rd generation Tacoma in 2016 which I’m sure will run for another 10 years with slight changes. 5th generation 4Runner started in 2010 and have heard will run until 2020. Makes sense to me and if anyone thought they were going to change before the 10 year mark, well seems like wishful thinking.

Sure 5th Gen 4runner started in 2010, and then was changed to 5.2 in 2014 with new front bumper/fogs/etc ..I would say that giving the Tacoma the 6th gear with the same engine, over any change in the 4Runner with the same engine/needs, is definitely favoring the Tacoma. It's an easy change to make in the production line, if it offered an improvement (which I assume is why they did it in the Taco), so why not also make the change in the 4Runner? Lazy, cheap, or both?
 

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