Anyone excited about the 2024 Tacoma?

[arouth]

Hi,

I have a 2015 4Runner Trail Premium and I'm actually getting a bit excited about the new Tacoma that's about to be announced.

I was just wondering if anyone else on the forum is interested or if the Taco isn't for you? The towing rating on the Tacoma is a bit higher than the 4Runner, and combine that with a more modern interior and the potential Hybrid making give or take 330hp and that's why I'm interested.

2024 Toyota Tacoma teaser hints at April 4 debut

 

[AZ Craig]

Personally a pick-up truck, even a crew-cab is a no-go for me due to kids and dogs. I think the most exciting thing about the '24 Tacoma is that it will probably give a lot of hints into what to expect with the '25 4Runner.

 

[Whippersnapper02]

Nah. Full size so you can do actual work.

 

[mrblah]

it definitely be cool to see where toyota is going with their trucks. I like the tundra and sequoia styling so far, but i'm not in the market for a new truck, still love my 2016 4runner.

 

[Carmaker1]

 

[Pedro367]

Yes, but I wouldn't be buying one. Kids and dog reasons as well. Tacos are just too small.

 

[Humble Leader]

Nah. Full size so you can do actual work.

this has always been my issue with mid size pickup trucks like the tacoma or ranger. full size trucks are more expensive but if you have the budget for a new tacoma spend it on a used tundra and you will get a lot more utility for your $

I sometimes think about trading the 4runner for a tundra even though I can get by hauling what I need in the enclosed space of the 4runner and I don't need to tow right now. also selling and buying vehicles is a PIA so there's that + I know my rig has been serviced properly and taken care of since day 1. hard to find in a used vehicle. I also mentally have a hard time getting rid of our only 3 seater vehicle even though I don't really ever use the third row - it will be nice to have when shuttling kids around to all their crap

 

[aggrobot]

I’m excited because I’m assuming there will be a least some relation to the next 4R. Maybe we get to see the future drivetrain of the 6th gen, or maybe we just get a better sense of their focus and direction.

I remember when I had my 2015 send gen and folks were losing their minds over the switch to a 3.5. “It’s not a truck motor!” I’m also interested to see how that all shakes out again for the taco community, as well as ours.

 

[fkheath]

Hi,

I have a 2015 4Runner Trail Premium and I'm actually getting a bit excited about the new Tacoma that's about to be announced.

I was just wondering if anyone else on the forum is interested or if the Taco isn't for you? The towing rating on the Tacoma is a bit higher than the 4Runner, and combine that with a more modern interior and the potential Hybrid making give or take 330hp and that's why I'm interested.

2024 Toyota Tacoma teaser hints at April 4 debut

Not interested because the wheel base is much longer than the 4Runner, making it unsuitable for serious off road use where you have to negotiate very sharp hairpin turns. I can do those in one swoop with the 4Runner, but anything with a longer wheel base requires some backing up to make the turn.

 

[02SE]

I'll be interested to see it, and what it's comprised of, but will never buy one. My use for a pickup is just barely met by my 1-ton Dually.

 

[osugsxr]

it definitely be cool to see where toyota is going with their trucks. I like the tundra and sequoia styling so far, but i'm not in the market for a new truck, still love my 2016 4runner.

same i do like the styling and hopefully itll receive the same engine. An interior refresh hopefully will be nice . Plan on buying another SUV within the coming years (next gen 4runner, sequoia or yukon)

 

[jp.vegas]

Nope. Never understood the taco. It’s really small and cramped inside while being big enough to be a hassle outside, specifically the wheelbase. A miracle of modern packaging I guess. The whole package is archaic, clinging to leaf springs and drum brakes in the rear. No idea if the new gen is going to change that, but no thank you.

Also, for those saying it will give insight into the next 4r drivetrain, that wasn’t the case with the last taco refresh so why should that be the case now?

 

[CutthroatSlam]

Does this 3.4 have the twin turbo set-up? That is something I would avoid. Also, one would think the hybrid configuration only has mileage benefits for city driving and no benefit for highway use.

 

[Jetboy]

Nope. Never understood the taco. It’s really small and cramped inside while being big enough to be a hassle outside, specifically the wheelbase. A miracle of modern packaging I guess. The whole package is archaic, clinging to leaf springs and drum brakes in the rear. No idea if the new gen is going to change that, but no thank you.

Also, for those saying it will give insight into the next 4r drivetrain, that wasn’t the case with the last taco refresh so why should that be the case now?

Agreed on the cab layout and size. My parents have a 2020 CCLB. It's almost as long as my Tundra, but inside it's really cramped. It's perfect for a local runaround truck. But it's pretty terrible engine wise for anything more than empty commuting. And towing their little R-Pod is a 7mpg affair. Even with my 4Runner I'd get more like 10. The 2GR is just all-around underwhelming. It's overdue for an update by about a decade.

It's moving to a shared GA-F platform (same as tundra, LC300, Sequoia, 4Runner, lC USA, GX, etc.) So, it'll almost certainly be a coil spring rear axle that is shared with the 4Runner, LC USA, and others. Most likely it'll be either the current 8.7 or 8.2" rear axle in a 5 link coil setup. Basically just like the current 4Runner. I can't imagine it keeping drum brakes.

From another thread - engines are very likely to be 2.4 turbo 4cyl/hybrid in TRD Pro only. T24A in the mid range models. And possibly a NA 4cyl as a base engine. So the common engine is likely to be the T24A with around 270hp/310tq. Slight upgrade from current 2GR and should be much better for drivability over the 2GR because it has a lot more power at 1800-2500 rpms and a 10 speed. But it's also well short of the power in the GM 2.7 or Ford 2.0 turbos in those trucks. And the hybrid will also likely be significantly short on power vs the high output engines in the Ranger or GM twins.

The reason I don't think we'll see it stray from the 4Runner this time is because Toyota is consolidating pretty much everything into basically 6 engine combos for north america. NA 2.5 4cyl, T24A turbo 4, and V35A turbo 6. Each with and without a hybrid. I think it's safe to assume that those are going to be the only options to choose from and they are apparently not letting the engineers use the TTv6 except in the GX550 and possibly 4Runner (unlikely). Assuming that to be the case - which might not be true, but I'd bet on it - I think that leaves the Taco with the T24A and T24A/Max being the two engine options. I can't see how the NA 2.5/hybrid would be even close to having enough power for anything other than a base 2wd model.

I don't think the iForceMax emblem means the TTV6. That would be wildly out of character for Toyota who wouldn't even offer a low 300's hp V8 in the 4Runner or Tacoma or the 435hp hybrid in the LC300 or LX600 to all of the sudden offer that in the Tacoma. Would it be amazing to have the rough analog to a true Ford Raptor in a Taco? Sure. Not a chance it'll happen IMO.

 

[jp.vegas]

Agreed on the cab layout and size. My parents have a 2020 CCLB. It's almost as long as my Tundra, but inside it's really cramped. It's perfect for a local runaround truck. But it's pretty terrible engine wise for anything more than empty commuting. And towing their little R-Pod is a 7mpg affair. Even with my 4Runner I'd get more like 10. The 2GR is just all-around underwhelming. It's overdue for an update by about a decade.

It's moving to a shared GA-F platform (same as tundra, LC300, Sequoia, 4Runner, lC USA, GX, etc.) So, it'll almost certainly be a coil spring rear axle that is shared with the 4Runner, LC USA, and others. Most likely it'll be either the current 8.7 or 8.2" rear axle in a 5 link coil setup. Basically just like the current 4Runner. I can't imagine it keeping drum brakes.

From another thread - engines are very likely to be 2.4 turbo 4cyl/hybrid in TRD Pro only. T24A in the mid range models. And possibly a NA 4cyl as a base engine. So the common engine is likely to be the T24A with around 270hp/310tq. Slight upgrade from current 2GR and should be much better for drivability over the 2GR because it has a lot more power at 1800-2500 rpms and a 10 speed. But it's also well short of the power in the GM 2.7 or Ford 2.0 turbos in those trucks. And the hybrid will also likely be significantly short on power vs the high output engines in the Ranger or GM twins.

The reason I don't think we'll see it stray from the 4Runner this time is because Toyota is consolidating pretty much everything into basically 6 engine combos for north america. NA 2.5 4cyl, T24A turbo 4, and V35A turbo 6. Each with and without a hybrid. I think it's safe to assume that those are going to be the only options to choose from and they are apparently not letting the engineers use the TTv6 except in the GX550 and possibly 4Runner (unlikely). Assuming that to be the case - which might not be true, but I'd bet on it - I think that leaves the Taco with the T24A and T24A/Max being the two engine options. I can't see how the NA 2.5/hybrid would be even close to having enough power for anything other than a base 2wd model.

I don't think the iForceMax emblem means the TTV6. That would be wildly out of character for Toyota who wouldn't even offer a low 300's hp V8 in the 4Runner or Tacoma or the 435hp hybrid in the LC300 or LX600 to all of the sudden offer that in the Tacoma. Would it be amazing to have the rough analog to a true Ford Raptor in a Taco? Sure. Not a chance it'll happen IMO.

Good points regarding the drivetrain consolidation. No other company has been successful at building longevity into these tiny turbo 4 cyl mills. They run them out of boost for mileage cycles but when you really use them, they're always in boost because the torque curve is pitiful. Your mileage drops, they run stressed and I just don't trust that Toyota will be the ones to find the formula to make them succeed. Sure the power output numbers look great, but even for the V6 turbo/hybrid platforms, I don't see them lasting. Hell, even Ford had to back off and make a new Raptor with a V8 in it. They've had no end of issues with their 2.7 ecoboost motor in the F150, just more of the same.

Guess I'll keep holding on to my dinosaur of an NA 6.3 AMG and this 4Runner with the NA V6 until they pry them from my cold dead hands eep:

 

[fkheath]

Good points regarding the drivetrain consolidation. No other company has been successful at building longevity into these tiny turbo 4 cyl mills.

Except VW and Audi. VW has been putting their 2.0L turbo gas engine in cars for decades now, and before that they used a diesel turbo engine (rear badge TDI). All those have been very reliable.

 

[5thToy]

Not really. The Tacoma has become something I'm mostly not interested in and I don't see those characteristics changing much.

Midsized trucks today have grown too large, with long wheel bases limiting off-road capability, while not having enough balls to do real truck work, and despite being bloated are still too small inside.

At this point, I'd want something like a 90s size Taco or a full-size. The new one's are in no-man's land for me.

 

[Jetboy]

Good points regarding the drivetrain consolidation. No other company has been successful at building longevity into these tiny turbo 4 cyl mills. They run them out of boost for mileage cycles but when you really use them, they're always in boost because the torque curve is pitiful. Your mileage drops, they run stressed and I just don't trust that Toyota will be the ones to find the formula to make them succeed. Sure the power output numbers look great, but even for the V6 turbo/hybrid platforms, I don't see them lasting. Hell, even Ford had to back off and make a new Raptor with a V8 in it. They've had no end of issues with their 2.7 ecoboost motor in the F150, just more of the same.

Guess I'll keep holding on to my dinosaur of an NA 6.3 AMG and this 4Runner with the NA V6 until they pry them from my cold dead hands eep:

It's really hard to know how these engines will last. They're just too new yet. Some of the parts look like they are built to last a long time. The architecture is very similar to diesel engines on the bottom end. Probably could just share the block with diesels. They actually might. Not sure. And the internal exhaust cooling could be the answer if it keeps egt low at the turbo. Id love to see what the numbers are. I've seen pictures of the Ecoboost turbos cherry red hot. No way they'll last with that kind of heat.

Many tests have shown that na engines are more efficient in real world use than turbo engines. But they don't do as well in the testing cycle. And Toyota refuses to size it's engines appropriately. So no doubt the little turbo mil they'll use will be overtasked and inefficient. IMO the ideal engine would be a turbo version of the GR. But a low pressure single turbo on the gr could be really great. Something like 5psi max Long lasting. Understressed. Not every turbo needs to be run at 20psi to work well.

In fairness the 8ar seems to be pretty reliable. And I don't hear much about the T24a so far. But it'll be a while until we know.

 

[MZ2215]

Sure the power output numbers look great, but even for the V6 turbo/hybrid platforms, I don't see them lasting.

Not that excited with the tacoma other than to see how it performs. As others have stated it just doesn't fit my needs. Feel the same as above about the new powertrains. More HP/Tq/MPG is pretty neat, but how big is the reliability trade-off going to be? I'll let someone else find out first hand.

 

[emmantik]

Just saw this on IG...I think it looks pretty good!