Anyone use a Dynatrac Dana 60 in a 3rd gen?

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I was just curious if anyone on here has had Dynatrac make them a Dana 60 for their 3rd gen 4Runner. My 4Runner is SAS with a Dana 44 front axle. I want to move up to 5:38 gears, my 4:88 aren't cutting it with my 37" tires. They can make the Dana 60 with the 6 lug, any width, that uses the Toyota brakes. I want to avoid having to change out the master cylinder and booster. Their axles aren't cheap so I just wanted to get some opinions before dropping that kind of cash.
 
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I was just curious if anyone on here has had Dynatrac make them a Dana 60 for their 3rd gen 4Runner. My 4Runner is SAS with a Dana 44 front axle. I want to move up to 5:38 gears, my 4:88 aren't cutting it with my 37" tires. They can make the Dana 60 with the 6 lug, any width, that uses the Toyota brakes. I want to avoid having to change out the master cylinder and booster. Their axles aren't cheap so I just wanted to get some opinions before dropping that kind of cash.

I bought some axles from Dynatrac, they were awesome. Of course for 14K for two axles, they'd BETTER be awesome!
 
Diamond axle can make about anything you want. That is route I will go with a axle when its time.

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I have to ask why you think you need a Dana 60? The stock axles in these can take quite a beating.
 
I love the Toyota axle and I agree that the Toyota axle is very strong, especially with upgraded axle shafts. My problem is that the only matching gear ration between the Toyota axle in the rear and the Dana 44 upfront is the 4:88 which is great for 35" tires but a little undergeared for the 37" tires. I want to swap to an axle where I can get a matching set of 5:38 gears. That leaves my options to a 12 Bolt or Dana 44 (which are actually weaker than the Toyota axle), a 14 bolt, Ford 9", or Dana 60.

I did a bunch of research on this and if I just swap in a 14 Bolt, Dana 60, or any American axle like that the brakes are bigger so I would have to swap out the master cylinder and brake booster. The second minor issue is the speedometer on the 4Runner is tied into the rear ABS sensors. You can get around this by changing the electronic speedo to the manual kind like in the Tacoma's. I was just looking into the Dynatrac Dana 60 because it a bulletproof axle and they can make it to the width I want with the 6 lug pattern that takes the stock Toyota brakes and accepts the ABS sensors. Just seemed like an easy swap, just an expensive one.
 
have you seen his build thread? it's quite extreme

Spring over leafs on 37s is obviously out of the norm for a 3rd gen 4Runner, but is not what I'd call extreme, and yes I've seen his thread and commented a few times on it. He did a nice job building it, so I'm not trying to take away from that fact.

The gear ratio issue is valid, however there are LOTS of more affordable, reliable options to Dynatrac. I made my choice with a shaved, cab & chassis 14 bolt, which does have 5.38s as an available ratio and you can convert them to six lug.

The OP brings up other valid points to consider as well. That's why I asked.
 
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I love the Toyota axle and I agree that the Toyota axle is very strong, especially with upgraded axle shafts. My problem is that the only matching gear ration between the Toyota axle in the rear and the Dana 44 upfront is the 4:88 which is great for 35" tires but a little undergeared for the 37" tires. I want to swap to an axle where I can get a matching set of 5:38 gears. That leaves my options to a 12 Bolt or Dana 44 (which are actually weaker than the Toyota axle), a 14 bolt, Ford 9", or Dana 60.

I did a bunch of research on this and if I just swap in a 14 Bolt, Dana 60, or any American axle like that the brakes are bigger so I would have to swap out the master cylinder and brake booster. The second minor issue is the speedometer on the 4Runner is tied into the rear ABS sensors. You can get around this by changing the electronic speedo to the manual kind like in the Tacoma's. I was just looking into the Dynatrac Dana 60 because it a bulletproof axle and they can make it to the width I want with the 6 lug pattern that takes the stock Toyota brakes and accepts the ABS sensors. Just seemed like an easy swap, just an expensive one.

Are you talking about buying a Dynatrac rear 60? I'm assuming so based on your trying to match the ratios with the 44 front. Just want to be sure.

BTW, DO NOT buy a high pinion/reverse cut Dynatrac 60 for the rear....get a standard rotation/low pinion for a rear application.

That said, it makes no sense to spend that kind of money to get the brakes you want....Now going 6 lug? That will cost a lot more money, especially if you want a Full Float D60. The pattern is a lot smaller for 6 on 5.5" rather than 8 on 6.5" and the axle flange takes up a fair amount of room. It can be done, it's just expensive.

What's your width up front? WMS to WMS is probably north of 67"....what are you doing about the rear axle width now? Wheel spacers or different wheel backspacing? Factory width is around 60"....so that's at least a 3.5" difference on each side.

If you're married to 6 lug wheels (I can't tell what kind of investment you made in wheels)....an FJ80 rear axle makes some sense as it's full floating and 6 lug....but they're only 63" wide....and you'd need 2" spacers or you could buy a Ruff Stuff or Diamond rear and make custom shafts....but that's not really the cheapest, strongest or best way to achieve your goal of ratio compatibility. A better matching option (but one that isn't full float) is a Tundra or T100 rear axle....still the misnamed 8.4" semi floater, but 67" wide WMS to WMS. You're still going to have to buy a locker unless you want to mod the factory Tundra housing to take an E-locker (again, not sure what you have in the rear now). Problem is: still doesn't solve your issue with mismatched gears.....which brings us to the next point.

As for 5.38s and 5.29s.....lots of guys on Pirate do it. If you're running hubs up front and not flanges....it probably makes almost no difference whatsoever since you're only engaging the front end on low traction surfaces. If you wheeled Moab a lot, I might be less inclined to run the different ratios...but plenty of people do. I'd recommend researching on Pirate. This site just isn't really geared toward the level of modification you're doing/have done.

You could scour the boneyards for a 6 lug D44 out of a later 70's model Chevy 1/2 ton....but they're hard to find. In spite of what Toyota guys say, the 44 is stronger than the Toy axle...not by much, but it is stronger....from housing to gear size to taper cut vs. hypoid to adjustment....the 44 is the better axle. The Corp 12 bolt isn't....but mainly b/c it's got 7/16" bolts holding on the bearing caps and it's a c-clip piece of junk axle. I ended up getting a 5 lug Ford D44 out of a late 70's F100 or F150 and had the flanges redrilled for a 6 on 5.5 bolt pattern. Most rear D44s out of half tons will only be 65" wide though....but I cut down my front D44 about 2 1/8" (to a size that used a shorter factory long side shaft) so the WMS to WMS was about 65.25" or so.

As for not wanting to swap master cylinder and booster....that is relatively minor, especially factoring in the cost of a Dyantrac axle vs. a boneyard one and new MC/booster.

Honestly, your best bet is to bite the bullet, get new 8 lug wheels, buy a 14 bolt rear and 8 lug front D44 rotors and change to the appropriate MC (booster should be fine). All the parts will be readily available (nothing custom other than maybe an adapter plate to your booster.

Heck, You could almost buy and build a front 60 and rear 14B for what you'd spend on the Dynatrac.
 
Spring over leafs on 37s is obviously out of the norm for a 3rd gen 4Runner, but is not what I'd call extreme, and yes I've seen his thread and commented a few times on it. He did a nice job building it, so I'm not trying to take away from that fact.

The gear ratio issue is valid, however there are LOTS of more affordable, reliable options to Dynatrac. I made my choice with a shaved, cab & chassis 14 bolt, which does have 5.38s as an available ratio and you can convert them to six lug.

The OP brings up other valid points to consider as well. That's why I asked.

Are you talking about buying a Dynatrac rear 60? I'm assuming so based on your trying to match the ratios with the 44 front. Just want to be sure.

BTW, DO NOT buy a high pinion/reverse cut Dynatrac 60 for the rear....get a standard rotation/low pinion for a rear application.

That said, it makes no sense to spend that kind of money to get the brakes you want....Now going 6 lug? That will cost a lot more money, especially if you want a Full Float D60. The pattern is a lot smaller for 6 on 5.5" rather than 8 on 6.5" and the axle flange takes up a fair amount of room. It can be done, it's just expensive.

What's your width up front? WMS to WMS is probably north of 67"....what are you doing about the rear axle width now? Wheel spacers or different wheel backspacing? Factory width is around 60"....so that's at least a 3.5" difference on each side.

If you're married to 6 lug wheels (I can't tell what kind of investment you made in wheels)....an FJ80 rear axle makes some sense as it's full floating and 6 lug....but they're only 63" wide....and you'd need 2" spacers or you could buy a Ruff Stuff or Diamond rear and make custom shafts....but that's not really the cheapest, strongest or best way to achieve your goal of ratio compatibility. A better matching option (but one that isn't full float) is a Tundra or T100 rear axle....still the misnamed 8.4" semi floater, but 67" wide WMS to WMS. You're still going to have to buy a locker unless you want to mod the factory Tundra housing to take an E-locker (again, not sure what you have in the rear now). Problem is: still doesn't solve your issue with mismatched gears.....which brings us to the next point.

As for 5.38s and 5.29s.....lots of guys on Pirate do it. If you're running hubs up front and not flanges....it probably makes almost no difference whatsoever since you're only engaging the front end on low traction surfaces. If you wheeled Moab a lot, I might be less inclined to run the different ratios...but plenty of people do. I'd recommend researching on Pirate. This site just isn't really geared toward the level of modification you're doing/have done.

You could scour the boneyards for a 6 lug D44 out of a later 70's model Chevy 1/2 ton....but they're hard to find. In spite of what Toyota guys say, the 44 is stronger than the Toy axle...not by much, but it is stronger....from housing to gear size to taper cut vs. hypoid to adjustment....the 44 is the better axle. The Corp 12 bolt isn't....but mainly b/c it's got 7/16" bolts holding on the bearing caps and it's a c-clip piece of junk axle. I ended up getting a 5 lug Ford D44 out of a late 70's F100 or F150 and had the flanges redrilled for a 6 on 5.5 bolt pattern. Most rear D44s out of half tons will only be 65" wide though....but I cut down my front D44 about 2 1/8" (to a size that used a shorter factory long side shaft) so the WMS to WMS was about 65.25" or so.

As for not wanting to swap master cylinder and booster....that is relatively minor, especially factoring in the cost of a Dyantrac axle vs. a boneyard one and new MC/booster.

Honestly, your best bet is to bite the bullet, get new 8 lug wheels, buy a 14 bolt rear and 8 lug front D44 rotors and change to the appropriate MC (booster should be fine). All the parts will be readily available (nothing custom other than maybe an adapter plate to your booster.

Heck, You could almost buy and build a front 60 and rear 14B for what you'd spend on the Dynatrac.
im pretty sure hes talking about the front axle.
since he mentioned a 60, and 14b.

he ALREADY has a d44 up front. swapping to another one wont help...
 
im pretty sure hes talking about the front axle.
since he mentioned a 60, and 14b.

he ALREADY has a d44 up front. swapping to another one wont help...

Okay, then I'm not following (sorry for being dense).....

He's running a Toyota rear axle....how does putting a Dynatrac front 60 in help with his major complaint of non-matching gear ratios if he goes deeper than 4.88? 5.13 and 5.38 are the next options for a RC60....and his Toyota axle is stuck at 5.29s.

I wasn't recommending he swap the front 44 for another.....merely match the front with a rear D44 (if rear 6 lug was what he was after)....or swap the D44 rotor for a 3/4T D44 to get 8 lugs and then get a 14B or similar rear with 8 lugs and change the wheels.
 
I say Diamond, w/ a 9.5 chunk from a FJ80. those are 35 spline. I'm sure it'll be cheaper than a Dynatrac.

9.5" FJ80 are 30 spline from the factory....ratios are 3.70, 4.11, 4.56, 4.88 and 5.29....so if he's looking for a front axle and trying to match the factory rear....this is a good option.

The Tundra 10.5" has 36 splines...no aftermarket locker options though. I don't know of a factory 35 spline Toyota option.
 
Okay, then I'm not following (sorry for being dense).....

He's running a Toyota rear axle....how does putting a Dynatrac front 60 in help with his major complaint of non-matching gear ratios if he goes deeper than 4.88? 5.13 and 5.38 are the next options for a RC60....and his Toyota axle is stuck at 5.29s.

I wasn't recommending he swap the front 44 for another.....merely match the front with a rear D44 (if rear 6 lug was what he was after)....or swap the D44 rotor for a 3/4T D44 to get 8 lugs and then get a 14B or similar rear with 8 lugs and change the wheels.
any time someone is thinking of going to a front 60, I say YES. then do whatever to make it work. :D
 

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