AR-15 Storage in 2019 4Runner
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97BlackAckCL
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So, what happens when someone sits on that seat?
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Hopefully puts their seatbelt on and go wherever you take them
Nothing happens.
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https://www.toyota-4runner.org/atta...nt.php?attachmentid=351765&stc=1&d=1578518130 If you bore a hole for the barrel in the front would it fit in this spot?
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Then you have officially assaulted the rifle.
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97BlackAckCL
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To me it looks like your aimpoint or whatever optic that is could get smashed, but hey whatever works
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Not saying things can’t get messed up, but it’s unlikely from some compression unless your mounts are complete crap.
Consider various vendors were throwing rifles with Aimpoints out of helicopters for the purpose of marketing durability, I would venture to guess you would be good to go.
Tons of room under there. It can be moved around.
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mesooohoppy
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i have never understood people who buy cheap truck guns. You are far likely to need to use it while out and about, instead of your house (unless you are in a terrible area?). if your life is going to depend on it youre gonna wanna drop a little coin to make sure it goes bang and not click when you really need it to.
i also recommend you never leave firearms in your vehicle. it breaks the powder down over time and hurts your velocities (on top of the theft thing). if you live in areas with extreme temp spreads and dont cycle out your ammo, it gets even worse. see below for an easy way around this.
one of the best loopholes of them all: enter the pistol brace. pair it with a law folder and you have a very capable rifle... sorry, i meant 'pistol'.
it is now utterly useless.
dont break firearms apart, dont put them in the back, dont stow them under seats, and certainly dont leave them in your vehicle. this makes them useless when you need it most.
with the rise in SB braces, i recommend you buy a reputable (starting with aero or BCM) factory 'pistol' build (it doesnt need to be some gucci KAC or Radian, just something dependable) and put a law folder on it. put it in a backpack that you can keep in the passenger seat. this is the easiest way to get to it and all you really need to do is pull out, flip the folder over, and charge the weapon (most ar triggers are technically not drop safe, although another discussion for another day). when you go home or to places, just take the bag with you. dont put anything on the bag indicating what may be inside. problem solved.
if youre in a free state, and live next to other free states you can freely travel state to state with an ar pistol. you cant do that with an SBR (legally). plus id rather spend that 200 dollar stamp on a can.
one last thing, backpack guns are somewhat limited by the barrel length, which in turn has influence on what caliber you're going to pick: for instance, a 7.5 556 has horrible ballistics and the blast is incredibly concussive. buuuuut on the other hand, you can build a 6-8" 300 blk pistol and have it shoot suppressed/unsuppressed, supers, subs, etc. same goes for the ar9 platform: if you carry a glock as your concealed weapon, it may make a lot more sense to have another firearm that uses the same ammo and mags for ease. you really just need to be honest with your current needs and figure out what works best for you.
sorry for the long, very opinionated post, i have played with all of these setups extensively in the past and IMO, this is what works best.
one final thing (for the second time!), if you shoot at a private range and are able to do so, i recommend you incorporate retrieving your truck gun into some of your drills. if you're not an idiot and follow the 4 pillars of safety, you will never shoot your truck.
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My 10 inch barrel AR Pistols are too long for that spot.
Now my Serbian M92 AK47 Pistol fits minus the mag and muzzle brake...
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This is exactly what I did. Bought a 9mm Kel-Tec 2000. It has a 17 rd Glock mag inserted and another 33rd mag attached with several rubber bands. The rife easily fits into a small backpack. You can buy a specially made violin case for it too.
Don't underestimate the power of a 9mm round. It's more than sufficient in most self defense cases. Also, people who plan to shoot an AR15 SBR out of a vehicle, have probably never done it before. Heck, your ears will ring for a long time if you shoot it out in the open. The amount of concussion it creates is nothing to joke about. I wouldn't do this without adequate hearing protection.
OP, it's probably best to make a lockable storage case for the AR. Make sure it's securely bolted to the vehicle. I would personally make a shorter case and keep the upper and lower receivers detached. It only takes several seconds to put it back together.
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Drobs is the only one doing it right in this thread.
I carry my MK18 to the left of the center console using the pass seat as a stock rest, very similar to his photo. If i have a front passenger i throw it on the floor behind their seat.
A small bike lock through the fsp and around a seat mount would be a good way to secure it if you do need to leave it in the vehicle. Don't have an FSP? You are doing it wrong.
I carry my MK18 to the left of the center console using the pass seat as a stock rest, very similar to his photo. If i have a front passenger i throw it on the floor behind their seat.
A small bike lock through the fsp and around a seat mount would be a good way to secure it if you do need to leave it in the vehicle. Don't have an FSP? You are doing it wrong.
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I agree. Dont count 9mm out. It's why so many agencies are dropping 40 in favor of 9. Some of the +p loads and projectile tech is truly amazing. 9mm has come very far thanks to some great minds.
9mm and 330blk arent anywhere near as bad out of a short barrel as 5.56. 5.56 was never designed to be shot out of short bartels. Which is why the mk18 is the shortest service rifle there is out there. Velocity drops off incredibly quickly after that. My mk18 shoots handloads a little under 2600fps. That's 500-600 fps slower than a 16-18" barrel, and that's pretty much at a max charge.
There are also forward blast devices, such as the surefire warden that really help. Put one on a 9mm (like a ar9), and it's even better.
If you're getting shot at, or shooting to neutralize a threat, the last thing you are worried about is your hearing and your adrenaline is likely off the charts. With the added stresses of everything going on, I dont recommend keeping the upper and lower separate. You really need to make your rifle accessible as possible and be able to get into the fight ASAP with as little steps as possible.
Yeah if you never plan to leave your vehicle. Even with a lock, a determined thief could have a pair of bolt cutters, or just separate your lower from your upper. This can all be done in about 15-20 seconds. Not to mention some of the stories I've heard about people getting pulled over and cops having no idea what an AR pistol because they assume it's a SBR. (Imagine trying to explain that to someone who has no idea, the premise of it doesnt make sense to begin with so good luck, lol)
I roll like that when I'm in the mountains where no one is around me, but as soon as I'm done it goes back in it's bag. Concealment is a great tool to have in your stable.
I prefer free floated barrels over FSB. I dont know what's wrong about having more potential accuracy?
Just from looking at the space under my seat, I didn't think there was any way to fit a rifle under the seat. Do you have a hard time getting the seat to close?
Seat wont lock closed but it works just fine. You can also do the same with the seat back folded down.
All guns are loud without hearing protection. My ears already ring as it is.
I need to buy a couple suppressors. Been putting off getting 1 or 3 for the past 10 years.
You can put a cable lock through the ejection port, out the mag well, and around the seat post.
A determined thief could also break into your house and steal your guns / safe.
I debate mounting this in the rear of my 4Runner:
Hornady RAPiD Safe AR Gunlocker RFID by Hornady
I'd want to keep an AR145, Air Compressor, and D Ring Shackles in there.
I need to buy a couple suppressors. Been putting off getting 1 or 3 for the past 10 years.
You can put a cable lock through the ejection port, out the mag well, and around the seat post.
A determined thief could also break into your house and steal your guns / safe.
I debate mounting this in the rear of my 4Runner:
Hornady RAPiD Safe AR Gunlocker RFID by Hornady
I'd want to keep an AR145, Air Compressor, and D Ring Shackles in there.
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GripT4R
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A determined thief could also pull up in a flat bad and load your vehicle on it in 2-3 minutes....
Thieves are not determined, they are lazy. And an upper is way more valuable than a lower.
The best part about getting pulled over is that you do not have to explain anything to law enforcement. The ATF is the only one who can request to see your private tax information.
To each his own i guess.
Thieves are not determined, they are lazy. And an upper is way more valuable than a lower.
The best part about getting pulled over is that you do not have to explain anything to law enforcement. The ATF is the only one who can request to see your private tax information.
To each his own i guess.
I own a gun store and I get asked this question quite a bit. I have been running a product called RackBone for a while. I works pretty well. I think they have been recently bought out because their website is down right now, but you may be able to find a used one. Another (more expensive ) option is to go with a Blac-Rac retention system. I will be adding one to my 4Runner soon. I am going to put a cross member in using the mounting points for the back seat hand rails. This will keep it up tight against the roof and it will also work as a hand support since you will need to remove the OEM handles. One of the guys that owns Blac-Rac came by the store the other day and this was the system he was using. Looked great. Did not interfere with head room and you could not see if from the outside unless you were deliberately looking for it. I'll post pics when I get mine done.
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