so i have a 2005 s45 4runner, bone stock audio, no jbl... yes i have been to crutchfield, crutchfield seems to lack choices, i want good 6x9s in front and good 6.5s in back.. i like pioneer and i am getting the Pioneer AVHX2700BS deck and Pioneer GM-D8601 1600W Monoblock Class-D Car Amplifier with Pioneer TS-SWX2502 subwoofer... i am confused to what will fit, i cant believe that their are only 7 choices for 6x9's and 5 choices for 6.5's... i have a dremel and am not afraid to use it, i wont cut metal and the speakers must fit behind door panels... i rather not use a component setup because i want to keep the stock look... looking to spend 100-125 per set ... any help would be great
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My advice, avoid 6x9 like the plague and invest in a circular speaker. Oval drivers distort as they do not have even stiffness across the entire surface of the cone, whereas a circular driver is consistent.
Sorry I can't give advice on what fits in our vehicles, as I'm new to them.
Sorry I can't give advice on what fits in our vehicles, as I'm new to them.
bauch68
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I agree with clg4th. Definitely stay away from the 6x9's. After I switched to german maestro 6.5 components in the front the sq went way up. Kicker and Alpine's speaker line is pretty good at that price especially if you listen to heavy music like rock/country/edm/rap. When installing those speakers I would sound deaden the door panels and put thick foam (.5") around the rim of the speaker to help keep out the nasty resonance and nasally sound the doors will make. Also the front doors come stock with a component system so you can easily fit new tweeters where the existing stock ones are. As for fitting the 6.5's just cut out the old speaker cone and magnet out of the rim of the stock appealer and mount the 6.5's onto the rim (same for the tweeters of you go with a component system). Like I said don't forget to put about .5" foam around the speaker rim to get a good seal! Lemme know if you come into any issues with installation.
I would recommend leaving the fronts alone for now and see how it sounds with the new head unit and sub. I just added a Pioneer to my '05 SR5 non-JBL and to me it sounds FANTASTIC - but I'm no audiophile so my advice is worth less than 2 cents probably
The added power and graphic equalizer built into the Pioneer really makes the system come alive - to me it sounds just as good if not better than my old GX470 with the Mark Levinson system. I pulled into my garage today just as a Van Halen song came on so I cranked up the volume and it sounded so awesome I had to just sit in my T4R til it was over - my wife came out to the garage and gave me a look of dissaproval 
riceandpho
Elite Member
i would recommend just having nice set of front speakers since you are always listening and driving , the rears can come later. u can fit anything up front aslong you are willing to build your own spacers. its not hard at all.
Fronts absolutely, you're the one who's going to be in this car the most often so why invest in other people? I've always driven cars, so the compartments have always been smaller than my t4r. BUT, the best sound that I've ever gotten from my vehicles in investing in a good head unit, quality amp, and the best from component speakers and smaller sub I could afford. The systems only had 3 woofers and two tweeters, and the sound was crystal clear. Worry about the rears later, spend the money on the fronts. Mess around with fade and you may be surprised how good fronts only can sound with bass coming from the back.
wc11
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Fronts are the most important as this is your sound stage. Good tweeters are a must. Rears are just fill. They're at the bottom of the door.
Time alignment is key as well as an eq.
Visit websites of Scosche or Metra and you'll for the adapters rings and harnesses that apply to your situation. Then you can shop around for the best price.
Time alignment is key as well as an eq.
Visit websites of Scosche or Metra and you'll for the adapters rings and harnesses that apply to your situation. Then you can shop around for the best price.
riceandpho
Elite Member
i ended up buying component speakers from pioneer ( 6.5 front 5 1/4 rear) per crutchfield (bought from amazon).... i will be installing the deck on saturday... can someone explain the parking brake wire and where i connect it to?... i have installed a few non nav/dvd stereos but this is my first dvd stereo install... the pioneer harness has a long green wire labeled "parking brake" i see tons of post for bypassing it, i dont care for any of that as i will not have video playing when driving...
ddnww
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I suggest putting 6.5 components in all doors. They are better than 6x9 and many more choices. Most any you pick will fit. the mounting depth is pretty deep on our doors. I was worried about this when I was choosing speakers recently. I went with what I love(diamond audio), they are fairly deep, and they fit with no problem. Theres some members on here with even deeper mounting depth speakers who also fit just fine.
riceandpho
Elite Member
4runner will fit 6.5 all doors fine aslong you build the proper speaker spacers, 3/4 is all you need, even 1/2 will work.
I upgraded all four doors to Infinity 6.5 components using Scosche SAT69 adapters. To be honest, even though the sound is a big improvement over stock, I'm still not happy with it. I think it's because the speaker adapters in the doors are just adapters - the drivers themselves aren't mounted to a sealed enclosure of any sort. The inside of the doors aren't sealed (obviously) and the mid-bass and midrange sound hollow - because it is! I'm also not too impressed by the Infinity tweeters. They sound overly bright in the 6K-10K range but they roll off sharply above that - like nothing above 15K. I think it's because they don't have good off-axis performance and the stock tweeter location in the front doors don't angle them towards driver and passenger enough. Alas, I can't be bothered to upgrade/tweak things any further... I guess I'm just lazy.
Here's my mild/modest stereo thread:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/engin...ccessories/130545-my-jbl-upgrade-project.html
These are the speaker adapters I used:
SAT69 | by Scosche
Here's my mild/modest stereo thread:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/engin...ccessories/130545-my-jbl-upgrade-project.html
These are the speaker adapters I used:
SAT69 | by Scosche
pjbrownva
New member
For [MENTION=84801]AKmoney[/MENTION] and the OP, I used a sound deadener in my doors, and it made a huge difference in sound quality. Dynamat is the big name brand, but you pay a premium for the name.
I went with an "off brand" solution that is still butyl rubber with a thick sheet of aluminum on top. The off-brand saved money.
One order was about the same thickness as dynamat, the other was thinner but I was still pleased. "Stinger" is the name of one of the off brands. I can't remember if this was the same or thinner than dynamat.
The thing about sound deadener in general, is that you get the best performance by covering 60% to 70% of the metal surface. People who cover everything in dynamatt, and then even add a second layer, a going for overkill, and I'm not sure if they are seeing an improved or even equivalent outcome... not to mention the substantial weight they are adding to the vehicle.
The whole idea of the sound deadener, is to provide damping to PORTIONS of the metal, to reduce vibrations, and to try to disrupt vibrations at the frequencies where the metal will naturally tend to resonate. I believe you do this best by having some irregular shapes put in at different spots inside the door. By putting in some irregularly sized pieces, it can make a big difference. The reason why you don't want to cover 100% of the metal is that if you cover everything, you are mostly just changing the frequencies at which your effective "speaker enclosure" will resonate, while covering large portions in slightly irregularly shaped pieces, you are only changing the resonating frequencies of those parts that you covered. The idea is parts covered and other parts not covered will have a combined effect of doing a better job of dampening all vibrations over all frequencies..... almost the way a honeycomb structure can be stronger than a solid piece of material.
If you use sound deadener, buy a "roller" tool to apply it. It does a good job of adhering the material tightly to the contours of your vehicle's metal, and it works so much better than trying to press by hand, or using the handle from a screw driver (I've tried all three approaches).
I agree that the infinity tweeters sound overly bright, and at times they can seem harsh -- and I'm a big Infinity fan!
In the past, I had an older set of pioneer components, and I found them to be better than stock, but not as musically rich as I would like. I was a bit disappointed. Pioneer radios are awesome. Pioneer speakers are, IMHO, just so-so.
In my current set up (less than ideal but pretty good), I have infinity 6x9 coaxials in the door. The tweeters were too harsh (I think they were made of metal). So I bought these alpine 1" silk dome tweeters for about $50 a pair,
and using the supplied crossover, mounted them in the factory location of the high-mounted door speakers. Then I simply cut the wire in the coaxials that leads to the tweeter part of those speakers. WHAT A DIFFERENCE.
The alpine silk dome tweeters sound great without being harsh or overly bright. I think the silk really helps in keeping the timbre smooth, and the dome shape helps with sound dispersal.
I'll probably go to a 6.5" round speaker in the lower door position at some point, and I expect to see an increase in sound detail when I do.
Search the12volt.com You can find the necessary wiring information which includes the location of the wire for your vehicle and the color coding of the wire that you need.
Enjoy!
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