"Consumer grade" drawer systems?

My .02 as I have built some platforms and drawers for my truck, and others.... It's only going to be as cheap as the parts you use. If you use a quality hardwood plywood, and sliders that are worth their salt, you'll be north of $500 between those two there. For reference, lock in, lock out full length sliders for a 36" length run $180 per pair.

Bottom line: nothing is cheap when you do it the right way... even when you build it yourself...
 
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My .02 as I have built some cabinets for my truck, and others.... It's only going to be as cheap as the parts you use. If you use a quality hardwood plywood, and sliders that are worth their salt, you'll be north of $500 between those two there. For reference, lock in, lock out full length sliders for a 36" length run $180 per pair.

Bottom line: nothing is cheap when you do it the right way... even when you build it yourself...

^^True. I don't have a dog in this fight- you have stated what you are looking for, and it's not what I offer. Having said that, you can do a good DIY, even with little prior skills, but quality materials add up fast. Slides- $350, wood- $150, latches and hardware- $20-$200, coatings- zero to $800, etc. As an example the first system I made for myself years ago ran $1200 in materials, and literally a month of my own labor. Granted, that included wiring, etc., but your time is still worth something. I could have worked OT all month, paid $5-6k for a super custom system, and still be ahead with none of the headaches.

Bringing it to a local shop can also add up very fast as it is a custom job. I think your best bet is to find a mid-range quality used system and go from there.

If you go local cabinet shop you can save a lot by using UHMW runners instead of slides. There are definitely drawbacks (rattles, not full extension), but it's light and cheap. It's all about what you want and will be happy with in the long term.

If you need any help sourcing hardware, or have any design Q's, I love to help folks with their builds if I can. Good luck!
 
My .02 as I have built some platforms and drawers for my truck, and others.... It's only going to be as cheap as the parts you use. If you use a quality hardwood plywood, and sliders that are worth their salt, you'll be north of $500 between those two there. For reference, lock in, lock out full length sliders for a 36" length run $180 per pair.

Bottom line: nothing is cheap when you do it the right way... even when you build it yourself...

So when is your platform going into production? ;)
 
^^True. I don't have a dog in this fight- you have stated what you are looking for, and it's not what I offer. Having said that, you can do a good DIY, even with little prior skills, but quality materials add up fast. Slides- $350, wood- $150, latches and hardware- $20-$200, coatings- zero to $800, etc. As an example the first system I made for myself years ago ran $1200 in materials, and literally a month of my own labor. Granted, that included wiring, etc., but your time is still worth something. I could have worked OT all month, paid $5-6k for a super custom system, and still be ahead with none of the headaches.

Bringing it to a local shop can also add up very fast as it is a custom job. I think your best bet is to find a mid-range quality used system and go from there.

If you go local cabinet shop you can save a lot by using UHMW runners instead of slides. There are definitely drawbacks (rattles, not full extension), but it's light and cheap. It's all about what you want and will be happy with in the long term.

If you need any help sourcing hardware, or have any design Q's, I love to help folks with their builds if I can. Good luck!

That is very nice to offer that help. I'm wanting to do a very simple two drawer system for my truck, thinking 10" tall. Would love your thoughts on draw guides, locks and materials. I have a good friend willing to help with his shop and talent for building custom furniture. I want top quality so price isn't an issue, just like the thought of doing this project with a good buddy.
 
I can certainly appreciate Goose Gear, ARB and similar "expedition grade" drawer systems, but simply can't justify the expense based on my usage at the present time.

I'm not a DIYer, so home-built isn't an option.

Can anyone recommend some options for a "consumer grade" drawer system? Specifically I'm looking for something that will bolt down, be lockable - and that could be integrated (with a bit of DIY work) into a 1-person sleeping platform.

TIA.

This was just posted tonight... check out this guy's thread. http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-g...ng-extension-build-[5th-gen].html#post2624109
 
That is very nice to offer that help. I'm wanting to do a very simple two drawer system for my truck, thinking 10" tall. Would love your thoughts on draw guides, locks and materials. I have a good friend willing to help with his shop and talent for building custom furniture. I want top quality so price isn't an issue, just like the thought of doing this project with a good buddy.
No sweat. Shoot me a pm, call, or email and I'll do what I can. I don't want to sidetrack this guy's thread, but I'd be happy to help. I've gone through a lot of pain so hopefully you won't have to!
 
No sweat. Shoot me a pm, call, or email and I'll do what I can. I don't want to sidetrack this guy's thread, but I'd be happy to help. I've gone through a lot of pain so hopefully you won't have to!

No worries! Sharing information here is fine too if you wish so that everyone can benefit.
 
Woodwork is one of my hobbies and I built some drawers for a friend's LC a few years ago. He spent around $2K on materials and, while they were very good, the materials were not top of the line. I figured the absolute cheapest we could have gotten by was around $500. They would have been barely functional. If you throw in any labor the cost goes up fast.

Good luck and best bet? Learn a skill!
 
I'm kinda interested in a drawer system for my 4runner. My goal would be a very low profile one because I don't have the rear cargo slide and I'd like to store all my tools and crap in a low profile drawer system. Do folks think that the durability advantage of aluminum is worth the extra cost vs something like cabinet grade plywood?

Do you want to be able to sit/stand on the open drawers? Or just use them for storage of lighter weight items? The slides and the material the drawers are made out of will need to accommodate the extra weight if standing/sitting on them is a priority. For me I'm not sure I need that, but others may have different needs.

Is baltic birch plywood good enough or would marine grade plywood be better - okume or similar?

For me marine plywood is expensive to source. Like $150+ per sheet. Even high tech materials like polypropylene honeycomb with fiberglass is cheaper, 80% or so lighter, and stronger. I happen to have a bunch sitting around from a past project, but I just don't think it's worth the effort to save 10lbs. And I personally don't think buying expensive hardwood plywood would be justified for my own personal use, but I could be convinced otherwise. I'm just not sure on this one.

Do most people prefer a 2 drawer system or a single large drawer? I think the cost would go up by a significant amount for another set of slides - but the weight may be less or similar. The reason is that you'll need a relatively thick piece of material to span the full width of the cargo area for a single drawer, whereas you'll use thinner material for the top of the box if you have a central divider, and I think it would more than offset the extra weight of two additional slides and drawer sides.

Full extension slides are expensive. Are they a "must have"?

Also - if you were using wood - do the woodworkers think that fancy joinery is necessary? I absolutely love fine woodwork. I'm not sure this is an appropriate place for it because it's probably hidden all the time. Does it need to be dovetail jointed or something similar? My inclination is that it won't flex much on a regular basis and a simple rabbet joint would be adequate, but I am not a cabinet maker by any definition.
 
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Do you really need drawers? Why not just build boxes with hinged or pop out lids? (You'd have to do hinged for the boxes you want to lock)

You could build three separate boxes - one that runs the width of the cabin and is only a foot or so deep. These would go behind the rear seat. Then two that are half the width each and run the remainder of the depth of the rear area - sitting closest to your lift gate.

This would require 1-2 sheets of 3/4 baltic birch (6'x6') and and 1 of 1/2 (I think the tops could be built with 1/2", maybe even the bases, but make the walls 3/4") - That's around $120 - $150. (buy from a lumber yard - not home depot/lowes)
Add some money for hinges, screws, and wood glue - you'd be all in for materials at less than $200.
An added benefit is that you'd get more storage space with boxes than drawers.
Finally, you could make a hinged second top that folds on top of the boxes for storage and then out to the lowered rear seat to create a sleeping base.

I build and refurbish furniture on the side. This could be done with a table saw, router, cordless drill, and a handful of clamps. You could probably have the boxes cut and assembled in a day if you have a good plan. then a second day to do all the hinges, locks, etc.
 
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For me the benefit of drawers is that I don't have to unload all the stuff in the back if I need something out of the drawers. It's pretty rare that I go offroad and don't go camping. So usually I'd have all my camping stuff on top of the things I'd store in a drawer like tow straps, jumper cables, tools, etc.
 
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i'm not an expert and haven't built one yet, but from all my reading on expo and everywhere baltic birch is usually what's recommended. from my furniture experience i can't see any reason to doubt them. There are plenty of people who don't even do that, they use cheaper grade plywood and it works. If you really want something better than baltic birch but don't want to pay for marine, you could get phenolic faced ply. Get on expedition portal, there is a 100+ page thread you should read through about building drawers.
 
Working on my birch drawers now. With full length heavy duty slides, this is getting in the $500 neighborhood as a diy. Doweled with dadoed drawer based though, so it will be nice and strong (and heavy AF). Still deciding on finish and best way to secure it.
 

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For me the benefit of drawers is that I don't have to unload all the stuff in the back if I need something out of the drawers. It's pretty rare that I go offroad and don't go camping. So usually I'd have all my camping stuff on top of the things I'd store in a drawer like tow straps, jumper cables, tools, etc.

I get the benefit of drawers. But since this guy is trying to save money, doing a box set up is a good compromise.
You could also do hinged and locking doors instead of tops if you need access while keeping everything in the truck. Still less convenient than drawers yes, but you can't have your cake and your bank account, too. ;)
 
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i'm not an expert and haven't built one yet, but from all my reading on expo and everywhere baltic birch is usually what's recommended. from my furniture experience i can't see any reason to doubt them. There are plenty of people who don't even do that, they use cheaper grade plywood and it works. If you really want something better than baltic birch but don't want to pay for marine, you could get phenolic faced ply. Get on expedition portal, there is a 100+ page thread you should read through about building drawers.

I see no valid reason to spend the money beyond baltic birch. Phenolic is cool b/c of the surface, but if you're going to rinoline or carpet it, it's a waste. Marine grade may make sense in an open top vehicle but not a 4runner.

IMHO of course.
 
Hell, I didn't keep track, but I bet my latest version of my storage unit cost me less than $300- including the starboard and slides (not including fridge, lol).

I will admit that the slides (Home Depot full extension) are not exactly great, but they do the job. You just have to be creative. For example, the latches I used to hold down the hatches are cam latches from an old electric guitar case. The carpet is from the bulk roll at the hardware store. The tie-down loops were from a yard sale. That's part of the fun...


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Woodwork is one of my hobbies and I built some drawers for a friend's LC a few years ago. He spent around $2K on materials and, while they were very good, the materials were not top of the line. I figured the absolute cheapest we could have gotten by was around $500. They would have been barely functional. If you throw in any labor the cost goes up fast.

Good luck and best bet? Learn a skill!

Yes, it add up incredibly fast!

I'm kinda interested in a drawer system for my 4runner. My goal would be a very low profile one because I don't have the rear cargo slide and I'd like to store all my tools and crap in a low profile drawer system. Do folks think that the durability advantage of aluminum is worth the extra cost vs something like cabinet grade plywood?

Do you want to be able to sit/stand on the open drawers? Or just use them for storage of lighter weight items? The slides and the material the drawers are made out of will need to accommodate the extra weight if standing/sitting on them is a priority. For me I'm not sure I need that, but others may have different needs.

Is baltic birch plywood good enough or would marine grade plywood be better - okume or similar?

For me marine plywood is expensive to source. Like $150+ per sheet. Even high tech materials like polypropylene honeycomb with fiberglass is cheaper, 80% or so lighter, and stronger. I happen to have a bunch sitting around from a past project, but I just don't think it's worth the effort to save 10lbs. And I personally don't think buying expensive hardwood plywood would be justified for my own personal use, but I could be convinced otherwise. I'm just not sure on this one.

Do most people prefer a 2 drawer system or a single large drawer? I think the cost would go up by a significant amount for another set of slides - but the weight may be less or similar. The reason is that you'll need a relatively thick piece of material to span the full width of the cargo area for a single drawer, whereas you'll use thinner material for the top of the box if you have a central divider, and I think it would more than offset the extra weight of two additional slides and drawer sides.

Full extension slides are expensive. Are they a "must have"?

Also - if you were using wood - do the woodworkers think that fancy joinery is necessary? I absolutely love fine woodwork. I'm not sure this is an appropriate place for it because it's probably hidden all the time. Does it need to be dovetail jointed or something similar? My inclination is that it won't flex much on a regular basis and a simple rabbet joint would be adequate, but I am not a cabinet maker by any definition.

I would argue that wood is better than aluminum or steel. Wood has an infinite fatigue life as long as you don't exceed it's yield. Good luck breaking a quality baltic or similar. Aluminum is probably the worst option, for the drawers anyways. It's 1/3 the weight of steel but also 1/3 the strength. Don't get me wrong, each material has a place, but not for the drawers themselves. All metals will work harden and eventually fatigue, not to mention the "coke canning" that will surely happen with metal thin enough to be a reasonable drawer.

I use wood, steel, and aluminum in my systems. I use them where their strengths are an asset. Wood drawers, steel slides, bolts, and cages, and aluminum brackets. They all have a place.

As far as wood- for this application marine ply is no better than baltic. Both need to be coated for moisture resistance, and neither will be "below the waterline", so Baltic is the best cost/benefit imo. With quality Baltic you could even get away with things you can't in regular ply, such as screwing into the edges. Not recommended, but you can do it. Pre-drill and clamp to prevent splitting.

Edit- don't be fooled. "Birch plywood" is NOT Baltic Birch. You can't get baltic at HD or Lowes. And not all BB is created equal. I actually wrote a couple of articles on materials and things if you guys want to have a look.

http://www.trekboxx.com/articles/

For joinery, I've always been a purist with woodworking. From dovetails to Maloof chairs, I have always stayed away from fasteners. However, and this is a big one, the fact is that the best glue joint will eventually fail, especially with the heat and moisture cycles such as in a vehicle. So, mechanical fasteners are the key here. Either dovetail joints, which may "fail" along the glue line but will stay together, or screws/bolts. Good joinery and glue makes a stronger joint initially, but when (not if) it fails the toughness of mechanical fasteners start to shine. That's why you have to pry a screw back and forth to remove it. It may take less pressure initially to get the joint to move, but it will stay together long after a glue joint pops. And, you can tighten it back up!

I think that full extension slides are worth it. However, if I was going to do a budget build I would skip the slides all together. Your first build will never be exactly what you want, no matter how much you pour over the design. I say make a quick and dirty system and use it for a while, then plan V2.0. You'll be happier in the end and it will be cheaper in the long run.
 
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So when is your platform going into production? ;)

I have been working with my platform now for a number of trips, taking note of what works well and what needs adjustment. I do have a full time job, so my platform, seat delete, drawer gig is a side/weekend thing right now. I would love to bring my design into production for more people and I have been working on a way to make that happen, but it's a complex process to work through as I am sure [MENTION=155093]TrekboxX[/MENTION] has experienced in his product and company development. So in the mean time, I am perfecting the designs and making sure that whatever I do make will be able to stand the test of time and abuse that future buyers can throw at them.
 

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