ndcent
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Does the answer to that equate to "total failure in foreign policy?"
That's a pretty big leap.
DNC Says NO to Catholic Bishop, YES to Muslim Radicals
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Does the answer to that equate to "total failure in foreign policy?"
That's a pretty big leap.
Thai
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Is our relationship with our allies better now than 4 years ago?
But, i guess that Obama did win the Nobel Peace Prize...so, that should supercede everything, right?
ndcent
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We all get that you vehemently hate our "muslim president" (hell look at the thread title lmao) but if you think Romney is going to make things better with those cave people savages over there, I'd say that you're as hope-drunk as the Obama voters of 2008.
Thai
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So, i guess that your answer to my question is, "NO".
No, i don't think that Obama is Muslim at all. Never said that. Don't go putting words in my mouth. I am sure that he was born here too, unlike some extreme conservatives. Never been an issue for me.
And note...i am not Catholic nor Christian either.
BUT, Democrats and Obama have taken this country in the wrong direction.
Wait, you just agreed with me that Obama sucks in foreign policy and have open us up to terrorists attacks on our properties abroad. What makes you think Romney will be worst in foreign policy?? Facts, bro?
ndcent
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Is the middle east better off now than four years ago? No. (we agreed, yay!)
However do I ever think it even has a shred of hope of stability and democracy ever in my lifetime? Very much no.
*That should provide context for my remarks.
I also agree Obama is a sucky president and his foreign policy is part of it, but I won't jump to say it's a "total failure." (semi-agreement, yay!)
I didn't say Romney would be worse, but I'm not saying he'd be any better.
What makes me think that is I haven't seen a clear position from his campaign of mystery combined with the fact that those cave people will never stop suicide bombing each other to hopeful extinction.
Thai
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What do those cave dwellers know? Power. The ability to blow up your land if you do harm to us. They don't understand diplomacy. Obama's kiss assing is a sign of weakness in their eyes. Obama's blaming our burning embassy at their hands on OUR people (aka video) is a sign of weakness. At the same time, Obama turning his back on our most trusted allies is a sign of weakness to these cave dwellers.
THAT'S my point. Ask Israel how they have survived this long in the middle of these cave dwellers!
Thai
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See: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/islamists-drag-dead-body-of-us-ambassador-in-the-streets/
YOU tell me after seeing the above pictures that our initial actions should have been apologizing for offending these terrorists who burned our embassy (and flags) and making excuses for them dragging our people across the streets!! France would have been more condemning of such actions! And France is...So Gay
YOU tell me after seeing the above pictures that our initial actions should have been apologizing for offending these terrorists who burned our embassy (and flags) and making excuses for them dragging our people across the streets!! France would have been more condemning of such actions! And France is...So Gay
Thai
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I am confused by some. People know that we are in a ****hole. YET, they don't want to change. Those who voted for Obama 2008 because of "CHANGE," why are you sticking to status quo NOW?? You all said that Bush was the devil and wanted change because we needed it. Ok. Fine. Well, after 4 years of Obama, we are worst off. Our position in the world sucks. There isn't a light at the end of the tunnel. YET, this time around, you guys want to keep going the same horrid path. Why??
Is Romney any different than Obama was in 2008 in terms of being different from staus quo?? Hell, Romney's credentials as being a successful LEADER (governor, not community activist) and a successful businessman (aka KNOWS the economy) far exceed that of Obama in 2008.
Romney campaign is a mystery? What is OBAMA'S plan for the next 4 years?? Tell me one thing that Obama has said about his plans for 4 more years. You cannot because he has NOT said it!!! THAT is a fukking mystery! Romney has given way more insight into his plans than Obama has...by a long shot!
ndcent, you need to open your eyes.
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ndcent
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You are raging, bro. Simmer down.
I'm not voting for Obama...we cool?
I think one of two things will happen in this election, we get:
A.) buttfuked
or
B.) buttfuked
Thai
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It is called being passionate about something. :shrug:
The difference is the degree of being buttfuked. :cheers:
-JD-
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Not going to claim to be up to date on all the undoubted intricacies of foreign relations with the Middle East but my previous post was attempting to address the "terrorist attack" statement that came from the president that for some reason Romney and a lot of conservatives seemed to have wrong. Why are people under the impression that the president didn't call it an act of terrorism?
This gets at the more important issue which is what SHOULD America do about such things? It's a difficult war to fight as the enemy hides among the innocent. It's not a war that can be fought with traditional armies, at least not without risking alienating the Arab world.
This gets at the more important issue which is what SHOULD America do about such things? It's a difficult war to fight as the enemy hides among the innocent. It's not a war that can be fought with traditional armies, at least not without risking alienating the Arab world.
Thai
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Obama did not address Libya as "act of terror." If you listen to his speech carefully, then you will see that he addressed 9/11 attack in general. For the first 14 days, he and his staff blamed it on the video.
-JD-
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It seems to me that he is referring to both attacks as he pluralizes it to 'acts of terror'
Thai
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Yeah, it is a general statement regarding 9/11. If he was so sure of it, then why did HE and his head of states all claim video everyday after 9/11 until 14 days later?? Remember, his head of state went to United Nations and claim such. Do you remember the embarrassing UN speeches? :moping:
As for the Libya incident, see: Documents Back Up Claims of Requests for Greater Security in Benghazi - ABC News
Some say that this coverup is worst than Watergate...i am starting to see that! Obama and his crew tried to downplay violence in Middle East at the expense of their own ambassadors! Basically, Obama knew that his foreign policy was going to crap and tried to cover it up for the election. When it blew apart in his face on 9/11, he looked for ways to blame it on something out of his control (aka Youtube video). It was his hope that Americans would blame the video and not him and his pathetic administration. Dumb.
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Thai
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Some must also be ignorant that four American lives were lost due to incompetence and BS political gains before elections.
-JD-
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What sort of political gains? seems more like this has hurt their campaign.
Thai
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See my prior post #75.
