Do I need a CB Radio? USA TRIP!
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Jimmyasheville
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They still have those things?
moshie
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Haha, yes!
...OR, do I need something other than the Garmin inReach Satellite Messenger? Like a HAM Radio?
Elk Hunter 2
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Maybe...
The last time I traveled from Chicago to Colorado I had my Cb and all I was picking up was some idiot in Florida jamming the airwaves...on channel 19
The last time I traveled from Chicago to Colorado I had my Cb and all I was picking up was some idiot in Florida jamming the airwaves...on channel 19
moshie
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So you're saying for humor on the trip, that's a yes!
moshie
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So if I go this route, I will have to come up with a cool name! Dang, that's even harder!
2014 Warthog
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For group rides, I have found the distribution where I am to be about 40/40/10 for CB/FRS/2M
CB and FRS are both decent for car to car close range and CB can be entertaining on the road.
For help in the wilderness, only 2M (440 etc) to a repeater or a satellite phone will get you help. 2M is also entertaining.
The sat phones are probably the best to get a signal out in any situation, but generally limited for emergency use only.
SO it's a hard call on only one radio for all purposes.
In my case I have CB, FRS and 2M and have been looking at the satellite emergency phones as well...
CB and FRS are both decent for car to car close range and CB can be entertaining on the road.
For help in the wilderness, only 2M (440 etc) to a repeater or a satellite phone will get you help. 2M is also entertaining.
The sat phones are probably the best to get a signal out in any situation, but generally limited for emergency use only.
SO it's a hard call on only one radio for all purposes.
In my case I have CB, FRS and 2M and have been looking at the satellite emergency phones as well...
moshie
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For group rides, I have found the distribution where I am to be about 40/40/10 for CB/FRS/2M
CB and FRS are both decent for car to car close range and CB can be entertaining on the road.
For help in the wilderness, only 2M (440 etc) to a repeater or a satellite phone will get you help. 2M is also entertaining.
The sat phones are probably the best to get a signal out in any situation, but generally limited for emergency use only.
SO it's a hard call on only one radio for all purposes.
In my case I have CB, FRS and 2M and have been looking at the satellite emergency phones as well...
Oh my..more options! :sad:
KingTaco
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[MENTION=295428]moshie[/MENTION] If you want it for emergency use when you are out of cell range, the inReach is pretty good. You can also use it for texting and emailing just like a smartphone, although there is a bit of a lag. I do quite a bit of solo travelling and it provides good peace of mind for me (and my wife) when I'm out in the middle of nowhere. It does cost $15 a month for the basic plan, but it is incredibly easy to activate/deactivate and there is no contract. There is also an emergency button that will send rescue to your location if you press it. As good as it is, you still need a clear view of the sky for it to work. If you're in a wooded valley, you can still end up bear food.
CB/HAM is probably better if you have multiple vehicles in your group. HAM also takes a little bit of learning, and you are legally required to get a license to use one, though I know some don't. I know some people are pretty righteous about that.
If you're staying on the road and travelling during the day, I wouldn't be worried. I still might have a couple extra gallons of fuel with me for once you get out west. I drove overnight through Nevada recently and went over 200 miles without finding an open gas station. Have a good trip.
CB/HAM is probably better if you have multiple vehicles in your group. HAM also takes a little bit of learning, and you are legally required to get a license to use one, though I know some don't. I know some people are pretty righteous about that.
If you're staying on the road and travelling during the day, I wouldn't be worried. I still might have a couple extra gallons of fuel with me for once you get out west. I drove overnight through Nevada recently and went over 200 miles without finding an open gas station. Have a good trip.
you can text and email from a ham radio too if it does APRS or can be connected to your phone with a TNC like the moblinkd. the I-40 corridor looks like it has good coverage from a quick scan of aprs.fi.
(although i personally wouldn't worry about any of this for a road trip on the interstate)
(although i personally wouldn't worry about any of this for a road trip on the interstate)
MossJenks
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Yeah - if you're looking to REALLY piss people off start transmitting on the ham bands without a license. People will actually hunt you down and turn you into the FCC if they can. Just don't. Getting your license is quite easy and it's a super fun hobby: Ham Radio for Preppers: Beginner's Guide - The Prepared
CB isn't wonderful for communications but it's great for entertainment. The best is listening to truckers talking about hookers out in the middle of nowhere!
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HanginInUtah
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The question to you really needs to be: what are you doing on your trip?
If you're sightseeing on pavement, you're good without anything unless you want it for entertainment.
If you're doing some trails: with a group, see what they're using; without a group, HAM is the only thing that will get you distance besides a sat phone if you're in the middle of Nowhere, West America.
And after all of that, I've found that my Verizon phone gets service most of the time, even when I wish it didn't. Yes, there are still some areas out here that you'll lose cell coverage, but it's 2019 and they're trying to lose those spots.
I'd say the most important thing is what are you going to do and who you're doing it with.
If you're sightseeing on pavement, you're good without anything unless you want it for entertainment.
If you're doing some trails: with a group, see what they're using; without a group, HAM is the only thing that will get you distance besides a sat phone if you're in the middle of Nowhere, West America.
And after all of that, I've found that my Verizon phone gets service most of the time, even when I wish it didn't. Yes, there are still some areas out here that you'll lose cell coverage, but it's 2019 and they're trying to lose those spots.
I'd say the most important thing is what are you going to do and who you're doing it with.
Bumbo
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Having done multiple trips like this… ill throw in my 2 cents.
I don’t have a CB… nor do I want one. There are much better things to purchase, even for car to car coms on the trail. FRS and MURS will satisfy all those requirements while providing much higher quality of communication than CB. I keep a case full of MURS radios just for others on the trail...
Plenty of places I didn’t have cellular, various parts camping and driving on road though CA Deserts, Oregon, Yellowstone. Plenty of observed dead spots in my travels, even near an interstate or road.
I do have a HAM radio, and on multiple occasions been my ONLY line of communication when adventuring. That said, there are even times when that wasn’t enough. Even if I could get into a repeater (Mendocino national forest) I needed a 50 watt mobile to do it. 5 watts off a handheld was useless. Lucky for me I have a crossband repeater capability in the truck so I was still able to talk to the truck, to talk to a repeater. Without it, if I was injured hiking, I would have been pretty screwed.
I think it’s worth mentioning I am a licensed HAM, and in order to really use this stuff you need a license. Yes, you can legally use one in a true emergency without a license, but having done this for 10+ years with really nice gear, it still takes practice.
You really do need to learn how to work the gear, setup your station, program and test repeaters to be effective at it, and in a new area, even that is challenging because there is no guarantee you are going to hit repeaters. Without taking the time to setup and test as you progress through your trip, it will probably be very hard for someone new to get help during a real emergency. Even near impossible if it was time sensitive / life threatening.
That leaves us with Sat Coms… The Iridium network is pretty awesome. InReach sat com 2-way communicator is a solid option. Ever since I learned about the Garmin mini and inReach, I was sold.
A Basic safety plan and a HAM radio is now part of my standard loadout when adventuring, off-roading, and camping. I love that it works stand-alone, but also works as a satellite modem when using a mobile device. Lots of convenience, ease of use, and reliability.
As much as I like HAM radio, the InReach is better for emergency stuff and family check-ins.
I don’t have a CB… nor do I want one. There are much better things to purchase, even for car to car coms on the trail. FRS and MURS will satisfy all those requirements while providing much higher quality of communication than CB. I keep a case full of MURS radios just for others on the trail...
Plenty of places I didn’t have cellular, various parts camping and driving on road though CA Deserts, Oregon, Yellowstone. Plenty of observed dead spots in my travels, even near an interstate or road.
I do have a HAM radio, and on multiple occasions been my ONLY line of communication when adventuring. That said, there are even times when that wasn’t enough. Even if I could get into a repeater (Mendocino national forest) I needed a 50 watt mobile to do it. 5 watts off a handheld was useless. Lucky for me I have a crossband repeater capability in the truck so I was still able to talk to the truck, to talk to a repeater. Without it, if I was injured hiking, I would have been pretty screwed.
I think it’s worth mentioning I am a licensed HAM, and in order to really use this stuff you need a license. Yes, you can legally use one in a true emergency without a license, but having done this for 10+ years with really nice gear, it still takes practice.
You really do need to learn how to work the gear, setup your station, program and test repeaters to be effective at it, and in a new area, even that is challenging because there is no guarantee you are going to hit repeaters. Without taking the time to setup and test as you progress through your trip, it will probably be very hard for someone new to get help during a real emergency. Even near impossible if it was time sensitive / life threatening.
That leaves us with Sat Coms… The Iridium network is pretty awesome. InReach sat com 2-way communicator is a solid option. Ever since I learned about the Garmin mini and inReach, I was sold.
A Basic safety plan and a HAM radio is now part of my standard loadout when adventuring, off-roading, and camping. I love that it works stand-alone, but also works as a satellite modem when using a mobile device. Lots of convenience, ease of use, and reliability.
As much as I like HAM radio, the InReach is better for emergency stuff and family check-ins.
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2112 R
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There is a lot of great info in this thread already and I agree regarding the question of "What are your goals and what are your future usage for the hardware you're looking to buy?"
Suggest doing a search on the forums as there are a lot of existing write ups on the pros and cons of all the communication methods mentioned in this thread.
There are a lot of options and a big thing to consider is are you looking for hand held comms or hard mounted to your rig? You're going to experience a lot of differences in performance and reception based on just that choice alone.
My choice was easily decided based on what my offroading friends were using. HAM and GMRS were the most common so I went with those and just got handhelds as they worked for my purposes.
CB was short range and not really used all that much, but I will say that I did end up getting one and it has provided the most comedy on the road trips listening to the chatter along the main paved roads. Warning: It's not kid friendly on some of the channels.
While these are great for on trial comms if you're looking for distance HAM is the best way to go.
The Garmin in reach Mini is a great option for those times where the person you need to contact has no HAM. You can hit the satellites and send pre entered text messages for free so folks know you're ok, and with a fee per text you can send custom messages.
It does require a subscription, but it's great for easy communication back home when there are no other connection solutions and the person you need to reach only has a cell phone. It also sends your GPS location so loved ones can track your trip on the way.
My kids love it when I ping them about every 3 hours with a pre set message so it's free with the Garmin subscription and they can track my voyage on the map.
Frankly the CB has been kind of a bust for me regarding trail comms as most are using HAMs and 2 ways in my area and CB has a pretty limited range compared to other solutions (yet no license required).
Good luck on your journey and check out the SoCal section of the forums for ideas on trails while you're out here in San Diego. Anza-Borrego State Park is a great place to explore the desert and is an easy day drive from downtown San Diego.
[MENTION=144483]Bumbo[/MENTION] gave you rep as I couldn't find the Like button, great write up.
Suggest doing a search on the forums as there are a lot of existing write ups on the pros and cons of all the communication methods mentioned in this thread.
There are a lot of options and a big thing to consider is are you looking for hand held comms or hard mounted to your rig? You're going to experience a lot of differences in performance and reception based on just that choice alone.
My choice was easily decided based on what my offroading friends were using. HAM and GMRS were the most common so I went with those and just got handhelds as they worked for my purposes.
CB was short range and not really used all that much, but I will say that I did end up getting one and it has provided the most comedy on the road trips listening to the chatter along the main paved roads. Warning: It's not kid friendly on some of the channels.
While these are great for on trial comms if you're looking for distance HAM is the best way to go.
The Garmin in reach Mini is a great option for those times where the person you need to contact has no HAM. You can hit the satellites and send pre entered text messages for free so folks know you're ok, and with a fee per text you can send custom messages.
It does require a subscription, but it's great for easy communication back home when there are no other connection solutions and the person you need to reach only has a cell phone. It also sends your GPS location so loved ones can track your trip on the way.
My kids love it when I ping them about every 3 hours with a pre set message so it's free with the Garmin subscription and they can track my voyage on the map.
Frankly the CB has been kind of a bust for me regarding trail comms as most are using HAMs and 2 ways in my area and CB has a pretty limited range compared to other solutions (yet no license required).
Good luck on your journey and check out the SoCal section of the forums for ideas on trails while you're out here in San Diego. Anza-Borrego State Park is a great place to explore the desert and is an easy day drive from downtown San Diego.
[MENTION=144483]Bumbo[/MENTION] gave you rep as I couldn't find the Like button, great write up.
moshie
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Having done multiple trips like this… ill throw in my 2 cents.
I don’t have a CB… nor do I want one. There are much better things to purchase, even for car to car coms on the trail. FRS and MURS will satisfy all those requirements while providing much higher quality of communication than CB. I keep a case full of MURS radios just for others on the trail...
Plenty of places I didn’t have cellular, various parts camping and driving on road though CA Deserts, Oregon, Yellowstone. Plenty of observed dead spots in my travels, even near an interstate or road.
I do have a HAM radio, and on multiple occasions been my ONLY line of communication when adventuring. That said, there are even times when that wasn’t enough. Even if I could get into a repeater (Mendocino national forest) I needed a 50 watt mobile to do it. 5 watts off a handheld was useless. Lucky for me I have a crossband repeater capability in the truck so I was still able to talk to the truck, to talk to a repeater. Without it, if I was injured hiking, I would have been pretty screwed.
I think it’s worth mentioning I am a licensed HAM, and in order to really use this stuff you need a license. Yes, you can legally use one in a true emergency without a license, but having done this for 10+ years with really nice gear, it still takes practice.
You really do need to learn how to work the gear, setup your station, program and test repeaters to be effective at it, and in a new area, even that is challenging because there is no guarantee you are going to hit repeaters. Without taking the time to setup and test as you progress through your trip, it will probably be very hard for someone new to get help during a real emergency. Even near impossible if it was time sensitive / life threatening.
That leaves us with Sat Coms… The Iridium network is pretty awesome. InReach sat com 2-way communicator is a solid option. Ever since I learned about the Garmin mini and inReach, I was sold.
A Basic safety plan and a HAM radio is now part of my standard loadout when adventuring, off-roading, and camping. I love that it works stand-alone, but also works as a satellite modem when using a mobile device. Lots of convenience, ease of use, and reliability.
As much as I like HAM radio, the InReach is better for emergency stuff and family check-ins.
Holy smokes everyone! Thank you so much for the advice. It really does mean a lot and appreciated to someone so new.
As many of you asked what are my goals? I am going to be doing a solo adventure with my dog. Mainly highway since I want to make it to Denver then start from there. I will be doing moderate trails that shouldn't be too much of an issue. I have been doing my research with books and many threads on this forum.
Like y'all said, the Garmin seems to be like the best option just so I can check in with my family and friends so they can keep up with me or if there are any issues I can get help!
But I may get a CB Radio for the highway traffic as you said Radar detectors are illegal in some states, plus for some comedy.
Sounds like it’s gonna be a great trip!
shadowmaker
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There was a time in a former life with a little ole Galaxy 44 and 1000 watt linear.... "Break 1-9 for a radio check, be the ROCK MAN coming at ya live with lil fire in the wire and this thing is blowing a lil smoke....and I m baaaackkkk quiiieettttt....Come OWNNN".
And if I jack off wanted to be a comedian and thought he could troll me, I would lock it down. Then it went something like, "Right now, you only have 3 choices, turn it off, turn it down, or turn the channel cuz aint nobody talking or being heard but me."
Good times though. Cell phones and GPS pretty much killed em.
And if I jack off wanted to be a comedian and thought he could troll me, I would lock it down. Then it went something like, "Right now, you only have 3 choices, turn it off, turn it down, or turn the channel cuz aint nobody talking or being heard but me."
Good times though. Cell phones and GPS pretty much killed em.
