East Coast states want to tax drivers’ travel, not their gas

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"Delaware, Pennsylvania, Connecticut and New Hampshire are proposing pilots to figure out how they might charge motorists a fee for the miles they travel — rather than taxing their gas, as state and federal officials do today."


They experimented with this concept in Oregon, and now are looking to play around with it on the East coast...

Yet again another tax to add to the growing financial burden of everyday Americans... Or at least those who still work...
 
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Living in PA, I can pretty much assure you that if they do decide to start taxing that way, it won't REPLACE the tax on gas.
There was a hot n' heavy debate to get that tax to pay for much needed repairs on roads, highways, and bridges.
These days states cannot afford to give up ANY income.
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Oregon actually wanted to install Gps trackers on every car. Even liberals were not ok with that level of government intrusion.
 
Seems kind of antithetical to the idea of emissions reduction. If someone buys a more fuel efficient car because of a long commute they are going to be taxed more because of they distance they travel instead of on the amount of fuel they burn?
 
Every time I read a new story about Tesla or the alleged Apple car I can't help but think that mainstream adoption of electric cars could be right around the corner.
Perhaps those governments are looking ahead to insulate themselves from potential lost tax revenue?
Or their looking to help out the oil companies by removing that cost from the apparent cost of gas and instead hiding it in a mileage fee?
 
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I'm going to try not to touch too much on the political aspects of this (liberal: tax everything vs. conservative: eliminate taxes), but will note a few things here. Since this is my industry (roads and bridges), I feel qualified to speak. This issue isn't directly about electric cars, finding/enforcing new taxes, oil companies, etc, though all of those entities are effected one way or another.

I think folks need to step back and take a look at the things they typically use, what they actually cost and how their taxes are appropriated by their elected representation. Anyone have any guesses on what it costs to maintain a road/mile? What about building or widening a new one? Rural 2 lane vs. urban 8+ lane interstate? (Answers, in averages, at the end of the post). I won't bother finding them all but there are hundreds of legitimate research articles about the state of our (The United States) infrastructure and how we simply can't keep up. To make matters worse, the real value of the gas tax has essentially decreased by over a third since the mid 90s (that fact is about 3 years old now) by simply not keeping up with inflation. To add to that still, people quickly forget what causes a road to deteriorate. Sure, things like de-icer and weather don't help, but the obvious answer is use! If it has wheels and travels pavement, it probably is causing some sort of wear and tear. Anything from a motorcycle (minimal), to a prius, to an overloaded tractor trailer (worst case offender, both in damage caused and contribution to repairs).

I guess without getting too specific, rather than having a knee-jerk reaction to this issue, it's important to read up on what's actually happening and why these solutions are being proposed. I've included a list of sources below (I was too lazy to annotate within this paragraph). It's a good place to start to begin getting educated on what's really going on with transportation dollars.

All of the following are greatly effected by geographic region, residential density, and existing conditions and exclude major improvements such as bike/ped facilities, transit, ITS. Also excluded are necessary ancillary construction, so there will be HUGE variances:
Maintenance (milling and paving): $300,000 to $500,000 per lane mile; so one mile of a two lane road is twice as much
Construction of a rural 2-lane road: $2Million to $5Million per mile
Construction of an urban 8-lane interstate: $12Million to $15Million per mile

OA

Sources:
Good read on maintenance costs: http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/nchrp/nchrp_rpt_688.pdf
VDOT's operating budget and where it all comes from: http://www.virginiadot.org/about/resources/FY_2016_CTF_Budget.pdf
Where the Feds get money to give to States: Office of Highway Policy Information - Policy | Federal Highway Administration
Tax Foundation's Highway Trust Fund Article: Options to Fix the Highway Trust Fund | Tax Foundation
 
While I don't really like the idea, it seems like a necessary change. The gas tax doesn't seem to come close to covering the necessary upkeep and repairs on our highways and hybrid and electric cars can't continue going on using public roads for "free" (uh, myself included).
If less gallons of gas are being purchased, our nation obviously needs another way to pay for the highways that allow us to get ourselves and our goods from one place to another.


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There was a study done in Washington state about the time the Oregon trial was being proposed.

They got quiet when they realized a lot of the damage being caused was from the massive metro buses running virtually empty during the day were doing a most of the damage to the freeways during daytime non rush hour times. While I am not opposed to what they are talking about I believe first and for most they need to tell us where all the money is going.

Our Washington state lottery was only passed by the people because all the money went to roads and schools. That lasted a hot minute and it now goes to the general fund. Washington's new pot law passed in part due to the fact that the money only goes to roads and schools.

I see the local legislature doing that again locally if this passes.

What we need on a local and national level first is actual accountability of money. As soon as they do that I am more than will to look at a new tax

I fully support the men and women that build the roads and understand the costs are expensive. But this is a symptom of the problem. No real budgets and no accountability.


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The 'gas tax' doesn't go very far, because the bulk of the idiots who claim to represent us in Washington D.C. have raided the Highway Trust Fund. They (the D.C. idiots) have given countless BILLIONS (or more) to foreign nations, pork projects that help a couple dozen people all while taxing the hard working people more & more!

Given them more power and they'll take ALL they can. We cannot allow them to have free reign over every aspect of our lives.

It is time to tell Government (Local, State, Federal) ENOUGH!!

I try to avoid politics, but this country has lost it's ever-loving mind over the last 50 years...
 
The 'gas tax' doesn't go very far, because the bulk of the idiots who claim to represent us in Washington D.C. have raided the Highway Trust Fund. They (the D.C. idiots) have given countless BILLIONS (or more) to foreign nations, pork projects that help a couple dozen people all while taxing the hard working people more & more!

Given them more power and they'll take ALL they can. We cannot allow them to have free reign over every aspect of our lives.

It is time to tell Government (Local, State, Federal) ENOUGH!!

I try to avoid politics, but this country has lost it's ever-loving mind over the last 50 years...
I agree, read my signatue.
 

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