Edit: PSA - Per StopTech, Their SS Brake Lines Don't Fit Sport Editions

[Bluesky 07]

I bought a set of StopTech 950.44007 stainless braided hoses for the front brakes on my '07 SE and needed to find the p/n to order the rear set. I checked their website and was puzzled to find the product listing for both the front and rear sets specify the smaller 319mm rotor. I called StopTech and was told that's correct, those hose sets only work with the smaller rotors and they don't make a set for the Sport brakes. :shocked:



I'm no brake expert but I suppose it could be the case since the distance from the hard line connection to the caliper might be a bit longer, at least in front. The Toyota p/ns, front and rear, are the same for all trim levels so maybe they made the hose a bit longer to fit both? If that's the case, wouldn't StopTech be smart enough to do the same?

Are there any SE owners running 950.44007? Were the hoses tough to fit and/or have you had any issues?

TIA for any insight.

EDIT: Ordered the PowerStop BH00172 kit for front and rear in the meantime. What a mess.

EDIT 19Jan23: TLDR - Went back and forth w/ Stoptech and they state that the fitment notes are direct from Toyota. About people running these hoses on SEs without issue, Stoptech says: "FYI, while they may 'fit' both versions of the vehicle. That does not take into account the increased travel/articulation, of the other brake systems. The hoses go through stringent DOT testing to ensure they meet all bend, flex, stretch, etc that may occur on the vehicles they are cataloged for use with. Using them on vehicles outside of those risks damage or failure of a hose, and possible injury. Which is why we recommended against it and catalog the way they are."

Your truck, your call, just want everyone to make an informed decision.

 

[phatcheeks]

Im running the same hose on my Sport Edition. No issues since I installed them 2 years ago.

 

[rdruss]

I have an '03 LTD. that had the small rotors, converted to large rotors had to change the calipers and used StopTech 44007 lines and no problem. Hard line does not change.

 

[dasx86]

Edit: Oops, answering a question that wasn't asked - OP is asking about the rears. Leaving information anyway...

I also used the Stop Tech 950.44007.

Ordered them here: Amazon.com: STOP TECH 95044007 : Automotive

The first time I ordered them, I received a mislabeled part - actually ended up with a Subaru WRX part, with a banjo connection on one of end of the line. Second order, no problems.

 

[riceandpho]

been running the stoptech lines for years now. you cant go wrong with them.

i also think goodridge makes a good complete set.
crown performance also

im running some metaltech4x4 over the axle lines.

as far as the rear lines, one of them might be marked left, but should fit the right better, same goes for the right, its the bend that goes to the caliper, i wonder if they changed it?

 

[Drcoffee]

I put stoptech on all 4 corners. No issues.

 

[Bluesky 07]

[MENTION=5149]riceandpho[/MENTION] and [MENTION=78997]Drcoffee[/MENTION] - do you both have SEs?

All this sounds to me like Stoptech doesn't know their own product well enough to understand it works on all trim levels.

 

[Drcoffee]

[MENTION=5149]riceandpho[/MENTION] and [MENTION=78997]Drcoffee[/MENTION] - do you both have SEs?

All this sounds to me like Stoptech doesn't know their own product well enough to understand it works on all trim levels.

Yup sport edition ‘07. I dont know why they wouldnt fit. Its not like the calipers are mounted in a different location.

 

[Bluesky 07]

Yup sport edition ‘07. I dont know why they wouldnt fit. Its not like the calipers are mounted in a different location.

Agree. I may have to plead out to overthinking this one. I'll contact Stoptech and see if they change or remove the note on the product listing since it's costing them sales (well, one at least lol). That info re: fitting the 319mm rotors only doesn't appear on Amazon btw - it says they fit. Apparently Amazon's fit feature doesn't drill down to the point of trim levels.

 

[Bluesky 07]

Well, Stoptech says that Toyota says these SS lines only work with the 319mm rotors. This is from their admirably prompt response to my email:
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For the 950.44007 and 950.44507 there are fitment notes, directly from Toyota on which 4Runners these stainless-steel hose kits will work on. I am attaching a link and screenshot, for reference. I used a 2009 Toyota 4 Runner as an example. You will see the notes highlighted in yellow.
==

Their screenshot was exactly the same as the one in my original post. I think this is a big misunderstanding and b/c my curiosity seldom allows me to let things like this go, I will contact Toyota and ask them. They’ll more than likely send a nice say-nothing boilerplate reply and we can all move on. :rofl:

 

[Drcoffee]

Buy them on amazon and if they dont fit, send them back.

 

[Bluesky 07]

Buy them on amazon and if they dont fit, send them back.

I have the PowerStop set on the way and will decide once I see them.

 

[Bluesky 07]

Have to give Centric/Stoptech credit. They're very responsive. Here's the latest, after I reiterated that the hoses seem to fit both rotor sizes: "FYI, while they may 'fit' both versions of the vehicle. That does not take into account the increased travel/articulation, of the other brake systems. The hoses go through stringent DOT testing to ensure they meet all bend, flex, stretch, etc that may occur on the vehicles they are cataloged for use with. Using them on vehicles outside of those risks damage or failure of a hose, and possible injury. Which is why we recommended against it and catalog the way they are."

Your truck, your call, just want everyone to be aware so they can make informed decisions.

I have the PowerStop SS set on the way and will compare the length of the front hose to the Stoptech version. I suspect it will be identical but we'll see.

 

[riceandpho]

i have a 07 sport edition.
been running these for years. its going to fit fine. if you need longer ones for your suspension, get crown performance.

my suspension is bilstein 5100 at 0.85 and moog spring, its up only a little bit, my stoptech lines are fine. even if you did 1 inch longer, it wont make much of a difference, now the rears dont matter, sicne its part of the axel. the one you need to worry about is the over the axel from the frame of the truck. just get the metaltech 4x4 or crown performance, youll want atleast 2 inches if your really lifted up.

 

[riceandpho]

Have to give Centric/Stoptech credit. They're very responsive. Here's the latest, after I reiterated that the hoses seem to fit both rotor sizes: "FYI, while they may 'fit' both versions of the vehicle. That does not take into account the increased travel/articulation, of the other brake systems. The hoses go through stringent DOT testing to ensure they meet all bend, flex, stretch, etc that may occur on the vehicles they are cataloged for use with. Using them on vehicles outside of those risks damage or failure of a hose, and possible injury. Which is why we recommended against it and catalog the way they are."

Your truck, your call, just want everyone to be aware so they can make informed decisions.

I have the PowerStop SS set on the way and will compare the length of the front hose to the Stoptech version. I suspect it will be identical but we'll see.

the x-reas suspension extend less than the standard suspension, these remember the stock sport edition is lowered than the base sr5 model.

 

[riceandpho]

SS-4RFBL - Stainless Steel Front brake lines (96+ 4Runner)

even if you read the toyteclift site about brake line
Fitment Note:

These lines are stock length. Longer front brake lines are generally not needed with our lifts (standard and extended length coilovers, coil lifts, adjustable shocks or spacers). The brake line travels securely with the spindle on a 4Runner.

 

[riceandpho]

ever get a change to use the stoptech lines? most users who did the 5th gen brakes, also use those lines.

 

[Bluesky 07]

ever get a change to use the stoptech lines? most users who did the 5th gen brakes, also use those lines.

No, but I’m putting the Stoptech hoses on after reviewing the alternatives and based on the people who are using them with no issues.

 

[aemravan]

so their claim of them not being compatible is due to articulation difference..? Makes total sense

but ultimately they are just covering their ass based off of what Toyota supposedly said. If they referenced something like the larger piston needing an increased diameter for the fluid I could understand the thought process, but referencing articulation/travel differences is kind of funny... though I'm not expert and maybe there really is "technically", in a bone stock form, a bit more articulation/movement anticipated on the sports model, in which case I can see them taking caution.


at the end of the day, if it fits, it ships. You won't have any issues with either brand of hoses from a fitment standpoint. Can't comment on long-term quality.

 

[Bluesky 07]

so their claim of them not being compatible is due to articulation difference..? Makes total sense

but ultimately they are just covering their ass based off of what Toyota supposedly said. If they referenced something like the larger piston needing an increased diameter for the fluid I could understand the thought process, but referencing articulation/travel differences is kind of funny... though I'm not expert and maybe there really is "technically", in a bone stock form, a bit more articulation/movement anticipated on the sports model, in which case I can see them taking caution.


at the end of the day, if it fits, it ships. You won't have any issues with either brand of hoses from a fitment standpoint. Can't comment on long-term quality.

Exactly my thoughts. While the Stoptech rep said Amazon's fitment verification doesn't drill down to specific trim levels, I can't imagine Stoptech or Amazon allowing these to be sold as confirmed to fit the 4th Gen Sport if there was even the most remote possibility they might have to write someone a giant check someday b/c of a related failure.