For those who want to see the FJ come back
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Dangedrnser
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They keep making it in the Middle East. Minor exterior and interior updates as you'd expect from toyota.
Gamma Ray
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As long as they don't get rid of the more basic stuff. I hate the direction cars have gone in the past number of years with everything being soft and expensive and all. I don't need all of that stuff. Never did.
Not sure what "soft" is since vehicles and their trim levels don't make someone tougher or weaker but they should have Dif trim levels. It was the one reason I did not get the FJ and ordered my Rubicon from the factory with the tan leather interior, heated seats, and the better stereo.
I actually had a more basic Rubicon right before with the normal black cloth interior, and hated that dark cave-like interior feel. I probably off-road and am more physically active (I mountain bike and gravel bike 3-4 times a week and hike/snowshoe when I can) than more than 95% of FJ or Jeep owners, and I would not buy a vehicle that did not give me a nicer interior option. I would even like more luxury options and safety options on the highest trim levels but am content with the light color leather, heated steering/seats, and auto start.
I love the off-road capability but cannot get past crappy interiors in the name of function. Not sure what function those crappy black interiors serve anyway. Sometimes I wonder if they would have actually sold decently if they had at least had one good trim option for people who use them primarily as daily drivers and commuters, though I know many who would not buy one due to the rear doors, and bought X-Terras and Wranglers instead.
I actually had a more basic Rubicon right before with the normal black cloth interior, and hated that dark cave-like interior feel. I probably off-road and am more physically active (I mountain bike and gravel bike 3-4 times a week and hike/snowshoe when I can) than more than 95% of FJ or Jeep owners, and I would not buy a vehicle that did not give me a nicer interior option. I would even like more luxury options and safety options on the highest trim levels but am content with the light color leather, heated steering/seats, and auto start.
I love the off-road capability but cannot get past crappy interiors in the name of function. Not sure what function those crappy black interiors serve anyway. Sometimes I wonder if they would have actually sold decently if they had at least had one good trim option for people who use them primarily as daily drivers and commuters, though I know many who would not buy one due to the rear doors, and bought X-Terras and Wranglers instead.
Gamma Ray
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Blargh, heated seats. I didn't want that junk. It'll just be more expensive stuff to fix when it breaks. And leather? I don't need that, and I don't want to be forced to spend money on it when they're not offering anything else.
Even the current 4Runner gets blasted by the media for having a rugged plasticky interior, but I don't think it's rugged and plasticky enough. Why are the armrests and the doors so soft? I didn't need any of this. I didn't need any of the sound deadening.
More high end radio more problems. My favorite is the Kia Stinger with its radio that randomly decides to bias the sound to the rear of the car. You can't get a more simple radio. Who needs this? Just offer me a basic radio at a good price. I love the Japan exclusive stripper version of the next gen Toyota 86 in part because it has a basic two speaker setup. I don't need more!
I never needed any of the nice-nice stuff. For all the crap that the Jeep Liberty got, at least it didn't have anything I didn't need and sold for a decent price while still having decent performance. I loved the hard plastic center console and door interiors. They were no nonsense parts. It did everything I needed it to and I didn't have to spend additional money on things that I didn't need. It didn't try to make me feel like a king. It didn't massage my prostate. It got me from point A to point B and even got me out of some hairy situations on occasion. That's all I needed.
Even the current 4Runner gets blasted by the media for having a rugged plasticky interior, but I don't think it's rugged and plasticky enough. Why are the armrests and the doors so soft? I didn't need any of this. I didn't need any of the sound deadening.
More high end radio more problems. My favorite is the Kia Stinger with its radio that randomly decides to bias the sound to the rear of the car. You can't get a more simple radio. Who needs this? Just offer me a basic radio at a good price. I love the Japan exclusive stripper version of the next gen Toyota 86 in part because it has a basic two speaker setup. I don't need more!
I never needed any of the nice-nice stuff. For all the crap that the Jeep Liberty got, at least it didn't have anything I didn't need and sold for a decent price while still having decent performance. I loved the hard plastic center console and door interiors. They were no nonsense parts. It did everything I needed it to and I didn't have to spend additional money on things that I didn't need. It didn't try to make me feel like a king. It didn't massage my prostate. It got me from point A to point B and even got me out of some hairy situations on occasion. That's all I needed.
Listening to that is exactly why they sold like crap and got pulled from the US market. People want options and nicer options...the base models of pretty much every truck primarily sell to work-truck buyers. The real money is made from the higher trims. When we looked at the FJ, even my wife was surprised when she saw the interior (she is less picky than me) and we then looked at the X-Terra and then the Rubicon. I ended up with the Rubicon due to two things- the ability to get the nice interior and the solid axle off-roading capability, though if the FJ has higher trims, I'd have seriously considered it.
So people want fancier trim levels...even me and my Rubicon is simply a toy for off-roading. Since 2014, it has 25K miles total. Buyers will generally not buy a super basic SUV/truck in the US....not enough to make it financially feasible for the manufacturers.
So people want fancier trim levels...even me and my Rubicon is simply a toy for off-roading. Since 2014, it has 25K miles total. Buyers will generally not buy a super basic SUV/truck in the US....not enough to make it financially feasible for the manufacturers.
Gamma Ray
Banned
And that's the problem with people these days. Since so many people would rather think they're rich as hell and go into debt for the nice-nice stuff instead of getting something actually sensible, I've got to spend more on a vehicle than I otherwise would because they don't offer anything that's not nice-nice.
Have you seen base Corrolas these days? Why are they nicer than my old Jeep Liberty and arguably as nice if not nicer than a base 4Runner? :redbrick:
Have you seen base Corrolas these days? Why are they nicer than my old Jeep Liberty and arguably as nice if not nicer than a base 4Runner? :redbrick:
Dropzone
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looks like who ever drew that rendering has a thing for new broncos
QuintupleTurbo
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Either that, or EVs.
If the Bronco ends up being successful after the supply chain is stable, I wonder if we'll see lots of entrances from other automakers in the "boxy, utilitarian" category?
Dropzone
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no one designs a unique vehicle any more, half of them look like clones.
I don't want to see another generation of Scion Shoe Boxes and Ford Flex.
Ripper238
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Well I doubt Toyota is trying to make a FJ that fits your needs only. lol
I got my 2019 4Runner because it didn't have a lot of the nanny junk others have been pushing. So I agree with you that much of what has been happening to vehicles is really unnecessary. But some things are must have common features now because so many people want or have become used to them. Like power windows, heated seats, radios with more helpful features like steering controls and even soft points/arm rests so long drives are less panful. They rarely if ever break, plus they cost almost nothing to put in since they are common for so many cars in production now. Its like how manual transmissions are going away and in many cases its cheaper to go automatic now.
Personally I am not a fan of the FJ look. But its still a great Vehicle that super capable with out going excessive in the feature department even with heated seats.
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SurferUK
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It would be interesting to see if the hard plastic cracks in the sun like some Toyota dashboards.
Stuff like that annoys me, a soft-touch dashboard is fine if it can last as long as a normal hard plastic dashboard, it should be an "upgraded" equivalent. If it was a Maybach then yes I suppose it's essential but this is an off-road rugged truck
We have the FJ here and it was too small and too "macho-camp" for my liking.
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Gamma Ray
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I had my Jeep Liberty for 11 years, and while the hard plastic dashboard didn't crack (or any other plastic), if it did crack, I wouldn't have given a hoot.
SurferUK
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You are a far more tolerant buyer of an expensive vehicle than I am! In fact (And I appreciate I am the minority) a quality vehicle would have a metal dashboard. No chance of that cracking/fading/warping unless you fire it into the sun.
Of course, we got sold the cheaper alternative as 'luxurious premium'
Gamma Ray
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Well, I could stand to clarify my stance a bit. I would be upset if it cracked within the first few years of ownership, but by year 10 I didn't care. I cared about whether or not the thing ran. By year 11, I had enough of it not running. But that dashboard was still immaculate!
Jetboy
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Hate to bear the bad news...
The Taco looks like a production ready actual vehicle. The FJ Cruiser looking CUV is I think CGI. Toyota concepts usually are functional vehicles. This one is obviously not if you look close. For starters the rear door is a normal full door - so that' a huge upgrade from the suicide half door nonsense from the FJ Cruiser. But you can see that it can't be functional given the fender and no break for the door to open. Also - the rear quarter sort of disappears into space.
The Taco looks like a production ready actual vehicle. The FJ Cruiser looking CUV is I think CGI. Toyota concepts usually are functional vehicles. This one is obviously not if you look close. For starters the rear door is a normal full door - so that' a huge upgrade from the suicide half door nonsense from the FJ Cruiser. But you can see that it can't be functional given the fender and no break for the door to open. Also - the rear quarter sort of disappears into space.
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Gamma Ray
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Hate to bear the bad news...
The Taco looks like a production ready actual vehicle. The FJ Cruiser looking CUV is I think CGI. Toyota concepts usually are functional vehicles. This one is obviously not if you look close. For starters the rear door is a normal full door - so that' a huge upgrade from the suicide half door nonsense from the FJ Cruiser. But you can see that it can't be functional given the fender and no break for the door to open. Also - the rear quarter sort of disappears into space.
I'd hit it. I'd prefer to see it with bigger tires, though.
Jetboy
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I like the styling for what it is. But it looks a lot more bronco sport than bronco. I want a Bronco.
