FS 5th Gen. Full Length Roof Racks by drabbits

Just a reminder to all and myself, the mods cannot read every post on the forum and while I am well aware that [MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION] is aware of this issue( I even think he has reached out to drabbits but could be wrong here) I just wanted to tag him

Tag....

So, [MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION] , can you or another mod edit the 1st post with a small disclaimer or is that outside the allowable rules?
 
I'm wondering how this guy is allowed to conduct this sham openly on the forum.

Discussing politics here is handled with a heavy hand, but this whole rack ordeal isn't touched. Seems strange.

Really? What do you want me to do here? Ban him? Why do people buy from him? I s the advertisements he has? No. Is it because he is on T4R? No. People buy from him because they like the rack he makes. That's why. As far as I know this thread is the only advertisement.

^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^

People on the TW (tacoma world) forums have been banned for bad business practices (not delivering in required time, still taking on orders, nobody receiving their orders after countless messages, etc.) on smaller, less costly items (some of you may know about the bussman fuse box builder who got in trouble over there...)

On TW, banned users are indicated by a username that is struck through. I am not saying ban this guy, just saying it should be easier to locate the important information that people have paid and not received racks who have waited for over a year. That to me is ridiculous when other vendors will take your money but respond to you and get you your similar item with significantly less time and trouble involved.

although i do love that this dumpster fire rages on for my innate need to watch drama continue to unfold, i feel that alex (drabbits) has fleeced all those who have paid and received nothing.... He took their money for a service he has not provided and some he has strung along... and the most disheartening part is he continues to accept new business when the backlog is clearly too much for him (as witnessed by this thread).

whether the forum should take action? I do not know. maybe the mods can answer that for us... But i do think it would be useful to have a disclaimer on post #1 about the issues located on later pages. Though if one decides to be a impulsive consumer i guess the fault is on them for not researching fully...

Just a reminder to all and myself, the mods cannot read every post on the forum and while I am well aware that [MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION] is aware of this issue( I even think he has reached out to drabbits but could be wrong here) I just wanted to tag him

Tag....

So, [MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION] , can you or another mod edit the 1st post with a small disclaimer or is that outside the allowable rules?

Do you guys think that people will quit sending him money if I make some type of caveat emptor statement? This thread should serve to warn potential customers so it will stay open. If people keep sending him business then those people are on their own.

BTW have any of you read his edited first post in this thread? He shut himself down.
 
A lot of us knew that the racks would take longer then the promised 2-3 months because we did read the entire thread. When I placed my order delivery times was about 6 months, not 20.

I agree that it not the job of the forum admins to protect every buyer from them self.

However when you know a forum "official vendor" is grossly lying about there production time. Telling customers 2-3 months when really he means 20 months. There is some responsibility for the forum admins to warn members. Why have "official vendors" if there not regulated? Just for the money?
 
Originally when reading the early pages of this thread this was the rack I wanted. At that time there were no complaints on delays, communication, etc. It was only my curiosity for more pictures that I ventured to the end of the thread and saw the shit people were dealing with.

It's a shame really. Looks like he makes a great product but is just not talented when it comes to running a business.

I'd think there would be a way this forum could handle the situation. If you get your hand slapped for talking politics then why not when stealing money from people?

A lot of us knew that the racks would take longer then the promised 2-3 months because we did read the entire thread. When I placed my order delivery times was about 6 months, not 20.

I agree that it not the job of the forum admins to protect every buyer from them self.

However when you know a forum "official vendor" is grossly lying about there production time. Telling customers 2-3 months when really he means 20 months. There is some responsibility for the forum admins to warn members. Why have "official vendors" if there not regulated? Just for the money?
 
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Originally when reading the early pages of this thread this was the rack I wanted. At that time there were no complaints on delays, communication, etc. It was only my curiosity for more pictures that I ventured to the end of the thread and saw the shit people were dealing with.

It's a shame really. Looks like he makes a great product but is just not talented when it comes to running a business.

I'd think there would be a way this forum could handle the situation. If you get your hand slapped for talking politics then why not when stealing money from people?

2 years ago this was the rack I was looking at when planning my future mods so I've been following along with this thread. Things have dramatically changed and fallen off over that time. Obviously no longer even considering this rack.


I know people will say we're beating a dead horse and that we're only adding more thread crapping but if the mods aren't going to mitigate the situation then I think it's up to the forum members who have been following along with this thread and those who are currently out of money and waiting for their racks to keep the dialogue going and warn future potential buyers. At the end of the day they will make their own minds whether or not to buy from Alex.

Conversely you see someone like Zach Prinsu who is a one man show and cranking out racks for Tacoma's, 4Runners, and Land Cruisers and I have not heard one complaint about his racks, service, or communication. Alex could learn a few things from Zach.

I do agree with your last statement, I've seen people get banned and warned for a lot less.



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Originally when reading the early pages of this thread this was the rack I wanted. At that time there were no complaints on delays, communication, etc. It was only my curiosity for more pictures that I ventured to the end of the thread and saw the shit people were dealing with.

It's a shame really. Looks like he makes a great product but is just not talented when it comes to running a business.

I'd think there would be a way this forum could handle the situation. If you get your hand slapped for talking politics then why not when stealing money from people?
Not everyone is going to read the entire thread. It's the admins opinion is that those people are idiots and deserve to be taken advantage of.

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So I followed up with my institution and since they did not submit the paperwork on my behalf on time its a CREDIT UNION error.

I get my money back and what do you know Alex keeps the 938.00 as well.
 
I agree that it not the job of the forum admins to protect every buyer from them self.

However when you know a forum "official vendor" is grossly lying about there production time. Telling customers 2-3 months when really he means 20 months. There is some responsibility for the forum admins to warn members. Why have "official vendors" if there not regulated? Just for the money?

Aren't official vendors are posted at the bottom of the main page, Alex has never been an official vendor or sponsor on this site to my knowledge? If the mods ban him there could never be an update or pm's with him (not that he will), if they lock his threads you guys can't track if anyone that has paid is actually getting their rack.
 
I think they're basing it off his title, check the first page of the thread. It states under his name "Official Vendor".

Aren't official vendors are posted at the bottom of the main page, Alex has never been an official vendor or sponsor on this site to my knowledge? If the mods ban him there could never be an update or pm's with him (not that he will), if they lock his threads you guys can't track if anyone that has paid is actually getting their rack.
 
Aren't official vendors are posted at the bottom of the main page, Alex has never been an official vendor or sponsor on this site to my knowledge? If the mods ban him there could never be an update or pm's with him (not that he will), if they lock his threads you guys can't track if anyone that has paid is actually getting their rack.


Look at this profile it says official vendor. I don't think anyone has ever mentioned baning him or locking the thread. I think a simple warning to new customers that Alex is not forthcoming with lead times was all anyone wanted.

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Originally when reading the early pages of this thread this was the rack I wanted. At that time there were no complaints on delays, communication, etc. It was only my curiosity for more pictures that I ventured to the end of the thread and saw the shit people were dealing with.

It's a shame really. Looks like he makes a great product but is just not talented when it comes to running a business.

I'd think there would be a way this forum could handle the situation. If you get your hand slapped for talking politics then why not when stealing money from people?

Do you have or have ordered one of his racks or are you just talking. Politics and vendors? Politics immediately leads to flame wars. This vendor has many satisfied customers (you would know if your read the thread) as well as some that are not satisfied.

2 years ago this was the rack I was looking at when planning my future mods so I've been following along with this thread. Things have dramatically changed and fallen off over that time. Obviously no longer even considering this rack.


I know people will say we're beating a dead horse and that we're only adding more thread crapping but if the mods aren't going to mitigate the situation then I think it's up to the forum members who have been following along with this thread and those who are currently out of money and waiting for their racks to keep the dialogue going and warn future potential buyers. At the end of the day they will make their own minds whether or not to buy from Alex.

Conversely you see someone like Zach Prinsu who is a one man show and cranking out racks for Tacoma's, 4Runners, and Land Cruisers and I have not heard one complaint about his racks, service, or communication. Alex could learn a few things from Zach.

I do agree with your last statement, I've seen people get banned and warned for a lot less.



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You are beating a dead horse. See first post.

Not everyone is going to read the entire thread. It's the admins opinion is that those people are idiots and deserve to be taken advantage of.

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Please do not put words in my mouth. I did not say that nor did I imply that. I have posted a few times and what I say is exactly what I mean. Consider this a warning.
If you want to comment on my posts please do so factually and accurately and I will have no problem with that. Otherwise, move on.

Now, Here's the deal: When someone pays money to advertise on this website, they become an official vendor. That's it. We don't handle their business, make their appointments, schedule their deliveries or anything else. I have been here long enough to know that being an "official vendor" does not mean much. Around here, word of mouth (so to speak) means much more. This guy did not sell very many racks because he is an official vendor. He sold racks because there were many glowing testimonials and his price was good. People like his product, they post about it and that leads to more sales. What you guys are saying is akin to blaming FedEx Field when I have a problem with FedEx delivering my packages. Seriously.

In my opinion, this thread (and yes, prudent buyers should read the most recent posts) should inform future buyers about the perils of buying from this guy. I am leaving it open for just that reason. Now for all those who didn't buy or didn't order from him: Do not post. Posting your opinions just dilutes the real, factual posts that future consumers need to read. Just "like" the people's posts who are involved and move on. That's why I didn't close it to begin with.

He has also shut down his business until a later date. Who knows if he will ever reopen! He at least took the initiative to update his first post. Right now, he has no future customers so banning him or shutting down this thread won't do anything.

Last thing: I believe the guys who have had problems with this vendor. With that said this is the internet and you know how that goes. If you have facts, post them. If you don't, well, again, this is the internet.

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Please do not put words in my mouth. I did not say that nor did I imply that. I have posted a few times and what I say is exactly what I mean. Consider this a warning.
If you want to comment on my posts please do so factually and accurately and I will have no problem with that. Otherwise, move on.


That was a low blow.... Sorry..

I'm not angry with you. Just Alex and he won't even communicate with any of us.

I just don't want any one to be in the same situation were in.

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Finally! Except that it was supposed to get shipped December 19 and it is now January 9!

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