Global Cooling - The REAL Inconvenient Truth

[1engineer]

The "Union of Concerned Scientists" is their report here:

Cable News Coverage of Climate Science: Science or Spin? (2014) | Union of Concerned Scientists

But who knows, they're probably just in it for the billions of free dollars in research grants they'll just turn around and blow on new wire rim glasses and birkenstocks.

Oh, that's good! Some of those guys are true and work hard for the grants. Some of them are sketchier than the guy in the trenchcoat at the park and unfortunately, those are the ones who scream the loudest.

 

[Ghost.]

When are we going to start talking about the real issues.

Like global warmings affect on the pirate population or vice versa

Source (for the skeptics)




All kidding aside
I don't feel we have enough information but we still should be conscious. Just look at the smog in China and it's affect on their health

 

[Fishwerks]

From what I understand, the problem isn't that more CO2 is being put into the atmosphere, it's the rate that it is accumulating. Sure, it might be natural cycles of the Earth (i.e. Milankovitch cycles) but the problem is we don't know how the rapid increase in CO2 accumulations will affect the climate on the long term (for humans, not geologically). The oceans are large heat sinks, but we don't know how they respond in these situations because we haven't been around to see it. For example - how will thermohaline circulation be affected? We don't know, and that is the problem.

And maybe the atmospheric CO2 and slight increase in temperatures are not a big deal on geologic time scales, but if average global temps go up by much more than 2 degrees celsius, we will have eustatic sea-level change as the ice sheets partially melt. Even changing sea-level by a couple of meters will have disastrous effects on people who live in coastal areas, so I think it's a problem that we need to be prepared for even if burning of fossil fuels isn't really the root cause. Fact is it will affect humans one day, whether we caused it or not. I wonder how industrialization of more countries will change the amount of CO2 put into the atmosphere.

Here is a good article for those so inclined - http://www.plosone.org/article/fetc....1371/journal.pone.0081648&representation=PDF

Take it with a grain of salt, as with anything. I think it's a good paper.

 

[Park]

Canadians For Global Warming - YouTube

 

[1engineer]

From what I understand, the problem isn't that more CO2 is being put into the atmosphere, it's the rate that it is accumulating. Sure, it might be natural cycles of the Earth (i.e. Milankovitch cycles) but the problem is we don't know how the rapid increase in CO2 accumulations will affect the climate on the long term (for humans, not geologically). The oceans are large heat sinks, but we don't know how they respond in these situations because we haven't been around to see it. For example - how will thermohaline circulation be affected? We don't know, and that is the problem.

And maybe the atmospheric CO2 and slight increase in temperatures are not a big deal on geologic time scales, but if average global temps go up by much more than 2 degrees celsius, we will have eustatic sea-level change as the ice sheets partially melt. Even changing sea-level by a couple of meters will have disastrous effects on people who live in coastal areas, so I think it's a problem that we need to be prepared for even if burning of fossil fuels isn't really the root cause. Fact is it will affect humans one day, whether we caused it or not. I wonder how industrialization of more countries will change the amount of CO2 put into the atmosphere.

Here is a good article for those so inclined - http://www.plosone.org/article/fetc....1371/journal.pone.0081648&representation=PDF

Take it with a grain of salt, as with anything. I think it's a good paper.

Please go back and read post #9 in this thread and look at the graphs.
You are exactly right though. Eventually the people on islands, coasts and elsewhere will have to move due to the changing climate. It's called MIGRATION. Are we so arrogant that we think, just because we spent money buying beach front property, that it will be "beach front" forever? What are our expectations? 10 years? 100 years? 1000 years? Again, whether we are causing it or not the climate WILL change and people will be displaced. They might have to move closer to the equator or closer to the poles just depends on what happens. The caldera in Yosemite might just blow and then all this talk about climate change goes out the window in about 3 days. We can burn coal in open fireplaces and run cars with no emissions and spray every can of hair spray we have into the atmosphere and it won't change the climate as much as that eruption. Something to think about.

 

[Hepar]

I'm sorry, but whether or not you believe climate change/global warming or whatever you call it is real, I find it very hard to believe that on a planet that has been running on a balance of oxygen and CO2 for millions of years won't somehow be effected by a sudden spike in one of those sides.

Am I worried about this planet? Nope. Not one bit. The only thing we're doing is shortening the time that us humans occupy this place. A few hundred thousand years after we're gone and this place will have only a few reminders that we were even here.