Good bye 4runner?

[michalik.piotr6837]

I’m on my third one and I love it (not the mpg tho, never have but i bought it aware and not to save on gas, but seeing the price of gas now is making me hate driving it).

Never thought I would even consider a jeep! Never owned one. Always talked trash on these threads of ppl switching brands but today I saw this!

The 6th gen better come out soon and it better have a phev and be bad ass, nice and capable. I mean, c’mon… rav is even available in phev.

 

[4Rtrailbum]

It's a Fiat for crying out loud, but you do you.:laugh:

 

[2021nightshade4x4]

It sounds like you’re itching for change but scratching that itch isn’t always productive.

Why the hell would anyone WANT stop/start? Most implementations are crap and you get stuck at traffic lights with people honking until your engine cranks.

Toyota’s Hybrid Synergy Drive and the Chevrolet Volt’s are fine - the hybrid system essentially bump start the engine with the traction battery, and give you enough electric power to get you rolling.


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[Gamma Ray]

You're going to spend more to fix that thing than if you just kept your 4Runner and spent the money on gas.

 

[Mudballz]

I think Toyota has something big coming for the 4Runner soon I would wait for them before you leap into a Jeep

 

[JaSC1]

"..but seeing the price of gas now is making me hate driving it..."

That is the plan.

 

[2021nightshade4x4]

I have come to love my 4Runner even more after owning it, instead of picking it apart. To be candid, it was initially a “safe bet” purchase after a rather traumatizing experience with Range Rover ownership.

Well, not only do I still feel good about the purchase, I also discovered, through some helpful comments in another thread, that our 1GR 4.0L V6 isn’t even direct injected. No concerns with the injectors fouling.

No auto start-stop, even the TSS is not intrusive, and features like lane departure alerts can be disabled WITH PERSISTENCE across restarts. That’s key for driver satisfaction.


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[repo]

You're going to spend more to fix that thing than if you just kept your 4Runner and spent the money on gas.

Toyota gatekeeping crew checking in haha... was thinking the same thought.

I still don't understand why people buy an SUV as a daily driver and then complain about gas mileage? Maybe I watched Fight Club or Trainspotting too many times but I thought these Toyotas are "utility" vehicles not fashion statement.

Choose life. Choose driving to a cubicle in a brick on wheels. Choose a range of novelty colors. Choose paying $4000 over MSRP. Choose TRD usb ports. Choose a tiny ladder to a cosmetic roof rack. Choose 4wd actuator failure from complete lack of use. Choose sitting on your couch watching mind numbing youtube videos about the latest 6th gen dashboard TV in the rolling living room you call a 4runner. Choose wondering who the **** you are on a Saturday afternoon while browsing the Jeep lineup.

Seriously though OP just crunch the numbers including gas, taxes, expected maintenance costs, etc. and then take the utility factor and the enjoyment factor for a vehicle and ask yourself what your are willing to spend on that. Prioritize the utility factor IMO.

PHEV + nuclear is the future though.

 

[rdruss]

So get a Rav4 to hold you until the new 4Runner comes out and see what you think.

 

[michalik.piotr6837]

Oh, I waited this long for the 6th gen, I think I can wait a little longer… but c’mon, that thing is way over due. Like I said, I love my runner and am loyal to toyota for suv, utility vehicles. It’s just frustrating that crap companies like Chrysler have these cool concepts.
It’s not my daily, never really was btw. But I do have 75k on it. The vehicle I mostly commute in is an egolf on coils and gti wheels with ps4’s and is a blast! So I’m wanting to consolidate into one vehicle that has best of both words, gas for wknd and epower for commute. The rav prime is it, just need it bigger and capable. Electric cars are fun in a very different way. I like gas cars too for diff reasons and will keep my wknd fast car too.

 

[Finslayer83]

If it’s like any recent GC they are garbage off road.

Do you drive off pavement?

 

[T4R_Canuck]

In my opinion, if you're cross shopping a PHEV with a 5th Gen 4Runner, you bought the wrong vehicle in the first place, or you aren't using it for it's intended purpose. Now, i'll qualify that by saying most trucks and SUVs on the road today are being used as grocery getters and rarely see any actual use. To those people, I would highly recommend a PHEV or Hybrid utility vehicle.

I get about 10MPG city and 18 Highway in my 4Runner in its current configuration, which i'll admit, sucks, but its a whole lot less expensive than having a 2nd vehicle to commute to work in.

 

[michalik.piotr6837]

Trust me, it’s the right vehicle. I do Walker valley and Reider pit orv park plus forest service plus beach.

 

[CutthroatSlam]

Toyota gatekeeping crew checking in haha... was thinking the same thought.

I still don't understand why people buy an SUV as a daily driver and then complain about gas mileage? Maybe I watched Fight Club or Trainspotting too many times but I thought these Toyotas are "utility" vehicles not fashion statement.

Choose life. Choose driving to a cubicle in a brick on wheels. Choose a range of novelty colors. Choose paying $4000 over MSRP. Choose TRD usb ports. Choose a tiny ladder to a cosmetic roof rack. Choose 4wd actuator failure from complete lack of use. Choose sitting on your couch watching mind numbing youtube videos about the latest 6th gen dashboard TV in the rolling living room you call a 4runner. Choose wondering who the **** you are on a Saturday afternoon while browsing the Jeep lineup.

Seriously though OP just crunch the numbers including gas, taxes, expected maintenance costs, etc. and then take the utility factor and the enjoyment factor for a vehicle and ask yourself what your are willing to spend on that. Prioritize the utility factor IMO.

PHEV + nuclear is the future though.

I provided the production financing for both Trainspotting and Fight Club. Saw Trainspotting, but have never seen Fight Club. Got repaid on both.

 

[Sgb020]

One day the 5th gen will be highly sought after never getting rid of mine.


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[Something_Awesome]

My issue with Jeep isn't the capability of Jeeps. My issue with Jeeps are that they are Jeeps. Would never buy one if you held a gun to my head. Personally, would never buy anything that is not Toyota, Honda, Lexus, or Acura. Mazda is becoming quite respectable though.

As far as MPG, I think you'd have a different experience if you changed your tires. I can almost get 22 MPG on the all seasons on the vehicle right now. That's a mix of street and freeway.

I heard one of the Michelins will for sure get you 22 MPG. It's an all season but the reviews say its snow performance is quite capable. Now if you do heavy off-roading, then you can forget about such tires. In this case the only alternative for you would be a turbo'd vehicle, which will require 91/92 gas as opposed to the 4Runner's 87. And NA > Turbo. Can't have everything.

 

[Something_Awesome]

One day the 5th gen will be highly sought after never getting rid of mine.


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This. Just bought a 5th gen because I did not want to miss out; it's nearing the end of its life. I know the 6th gen will look amazing, but there are rumors production will switch to Mexico and that it will not have the ability to roll down the rear window. It will be turbo'd as well. It will never have the durability of the 5th gen, but it will get better gas mileage and be bloated with tech.

 

[RAVL 2016]

I have a 2016 SR5 premium. It has been and continues to be a great truck. I think it would take something like a major life change - relocating to the city or something - to make me sell it. However, not sure why people here feel a need to put down Jeep or FCA. My dad has had a number of JGC’s over the years with no issues other than typical wear and tear stuff. My sister did have an early 2000s JGC with a strange electronics issue in the trans, but this was the era with the bad Mercedes merger and I think those days are gone. (Benzes from that time were craptastic too.). I know a number of guys who own Ram trucks with lots of mileage and no real issues other than, again, normal wear and tear typical for mileage. We have a two year old Ram that has been flawless, although it is still relatively new. That being said, it gives off the aura of being extremely well made. And the e-torque with stop start is transparent in operation. It is by far the best pickup truck I have ever owned in terms of comfort, drive, build quality, fit and finish, etc.

People who constantly slam other products strike me as insecure. The reality is that the build quality and reliability of the average new car today is far better than anything from 10 or 20 years ago. Emphasis there on the average new car - the high end luxury cars have become commoditized and cheapened and the low end is still, well, cheap. But what would it say about Toyota if they could not get the quality/ reliability right on a truck that doesn’t exactly take a lot of technology risks?

That brings me to my final point - One of the reasons I love the 4Runner is that it is what it has always been, quality, ethos, and looks-wise. It is not an egg with gender identity issues, it doesn’t use a three cylinder hybrid turbo with a 12 speed automatic, or any other such garbage. It is a solidly built, body on frame SUV with a big sturdy V6 engine, sensible, well laid out and pretty comfortable interior, and all of the creature comforts you need (love the big sunroof in mine, as well as the roll down rear window). It is unique in the market and doesn’t require putting down other vehicles, including Jeeps, to make it seem better than it is. JGCs may be a better trade off for a lot of the folks who really want a crossover but don’t want a minivan lite. For those folks, let them have a Jeep and enjoy it. But I have loved the traditional box shape Toyota 4Runner since I was a kid in the 80s, and one of the reasons it still appeals is it essentially has not changed, become cheapened, or otherwise softened. But the compromises needed to keep it what it is open up opportunities for softer more refined vehicles like the Jeeps. Let them have their Jeeps and enjoy them. They are fine, but they aren’t the same as a 4Runner, not bad, just not the same.

 

[Gamma Ray]

However, not sure why people here feel a need to put down Jeep or FCA.

Because it siphoned my savings to keep it running for 11 years yet only 80,000 or so miles. With as much as I spent to keep it running, especially in later years, I could have just bought a 4Runner and I'd still be driving it today. My Jeep needed a new transmission at 50,000 miles. It needed another one at 80,000 miles which it never saw under my watch. It needed two heater cores. All of these were stupid expensive in parts and labor.

And a bunch of the Chryslers you were talking about probably weren't kept for very long. Even my Jeep was okay for the first handful of years. If you're going to get a Chrysler then maybe it's not so bad if you don't plan on keeping it long term. But it's absolutely not a long term vehicle most of the time. Hasn't been for many years. There's a reason why people like late 90s Wrangler TJs and older Wranglers and Cherokees.

 

[Gamma Ray]

To be candid, it was initially a “safe bet” purchase after a rather traumatizing experience with Range Rover ownership.