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Damn. That's incredible. Mind blown is right! That FreeValve technology is so simple, yet so innovative [emoji1376]
 
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Well, they do admit that their gas-burning five-stroke engines will not match the efficiency and low emission levels of VW’s diesel engines; those cannot be beat!

Im going to go out on a limb and assume this isnt the most recent of articles
 
Could anyone imagine a 5.7l with freevalve running 240 hp per liter VE? Just the 165 hp per liter non turbo is freaking ridiculous at 940hp. 1368hp from a 5.7 shit is changing. Now what do you think of the new Hellcat?
 
Could anyone imagine a 5.7l with freevalve running 240 hp per liter VE? Just the 165 hp per liter non turbo is freaking ridiculous at 940hp. 1368hp from a 5.7 shit is changing. Now what do you think of the new Hellcat?

I'll believe it when I can buy it/see it.
 
Oh wow yay...just what I've been dreaming of — yet another new "thing" to make my 20 year old engine seem even more archaic, punny and inefficient.
 
Huge power is so 1995. These days you can probably buy a 12 second minivan from the factory and then an electric car that makes it look slow. What's the point?

It's over guys. Time to come up with a new yardstick. I think the cool "hot rods" of the next 20 years will either be radically custom, or perhaps various examples of electric retrofit on something classic. Bragging rights will come with range, rather than power output.
 
Huge power is so 1995. These days you can probably buy a 12 second minivan from the factory and then an electric car that makes it look slow. What's the point?

It's over guys. Time to come up with a new yardstick. I think the cool "hot rods" of the next 20 years will either be radically custom, or perhaps various examples of electric retrofit on something classic. Bragging rights will come with range, rather than power output.

In the early 80's they tried to convince us power was passe, mileage was the new standard.

Adrenalin is hard to beat, and shutting down cylinders is so 80's Cadillac.

Of course I don't want a 12 second minivan either, but power won't be out of fashion in my lifetime.
 
Of course I don't want a 12 second minivan either, but power won't be out of fashion in my lifetime.

Not saying power won't be out of fashion, but we've long passed the point of diminishing returns. My newest car is 16 years old and I can't run wide open for more than a few seconds at a time. I've never had it to top speed. So what does double the power get me?

Here's one from 10 years ago that already could do it in mid 13s

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Long story short the Head math in our engines have been pushing the so called American engines to catch up. From the 3.4 on there is much more power to be had if you understand the math and without loosing reliability.
 
I'll believe it when I can buy it/see it.

I agree, engines these days are pushing practical thermodynamic limits so there's not much room for improvement, diesels are already way up there so maybe we'll get a bit more out of gasoline engines but I see it as old tech.

In my mind the ultimate drivetrain is a simple direct electric motor, no parts to break, one gear for all speeds; I haven't done any maintenance on my Nissan Leaf in 5 years. Throw some batteries in there for a hundred km range.

Then throw in a 10 kW generator that turns on to charge the batteries when they get low. That way there is no direct linkage between the gas engine and the wheels so none of that complex transmission crap to break down. The engine works at a single rpm so it is way more efficient and fine tuned, it could even be diesel with better emissions controls at a constant rpm.

This would be the ultimate off-road drive-train, the electric motor gives you lots of fine control for rock crawling if you need to, but then instant huge torque when you want it, plus 0-60 in 3 seconds if you want it. The best of both worlds.

I doubt we'll ever see something like this, instead we'll see hugely overly complex monstrosities like the Chevy Volt that are way too complicated.

But it might be build-able in an old 3rd gen body / frame. Pull the engine out and attach an electric motor to the shaft. Throw in a generator and batteries when battery tech is developed enough for plug and play. I don't see how it needs to be too complicated. The only disadvantage I see for off-roading is if it gets flooded in a river crossing, the you're toast.
 
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I agree, engines these days are pushing practical thermodynamic limits so there's not much room for improvement, diesels are already way up there so maybe we'll get a bit more out of gasoline engines but I see it as old tech.

In my mind the ultimate drivetrain is a simple direct electric motor, no parts to break, one gear for all speeds; I haven't done any maintenance on my Nissan Leaf in 5 years. Throw some batteries in there for a hundred km range.

Then throw in a 10 kW generator that turns on to charge the batteries when they get low. That way there is no direct linkage between the gas engine and the wheels so none of that complex transmission crap to break down. The engine works at a single rpm so it is way more efficient and fine tuned, it could even be diesel with better emissions controls at a constant rpm.

This would be the ultimate off-road drive-train, the electric motor gives you lots of fine control for rock crawling if you need to, but then instant huge torque when you want it, plus 0-60 in 3 seconds if you want it. The best of both worlds.

I doubt we'll ever see something like this, instead we'll see hugely overly complex monstrosities like the Chevy Volt that are way too complicated.

But it might be build-able in an old 3rd gen body / frame. Pull the engine out and attach an electric motor to the shaft. Throw in a generator and batteries when battery tech is developed enough for plug and play. I don't see how it needs to be too complicated. The only disadvantage I see for off-roading is if it gets flooded in a river crossing, the you're toast.

Probably should make that 25-30KW. It takes about 20-25hp to move your 4runner down the highway at 60mph, more at 75, so 10KW (13hp) won't keep up for a long highway trip.

But, your overall point is valid. Overall performance would be great, and it certainly doesn't seem like it should be all that complicated, given appropriate battery technology. Everything else is just stuff we already know how to build.
 
Probably should make that 25-30KW. It takes about 20-25hp to move your 4runner down the highway at 60mph, more at 75, so 10KW (13hp) won't keep up for a long highway trip.

But, your overall point is valid. Overall performance would be great, and it certainly doesn't seem like it should be all that complicated, given appropriate battery technology. Everything else is just stuff we already know how to build.

This is what the huge mining trucks do.

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Pretty much the same idea as railroad locomotives. The electric motors are great for starting huge loads with little fuss. There's no online storage, just a big diesel turning a generator on demand.

Can you imagine the clutch it would take to start a 10 million pound freight train?!
 

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