I wanna do a SAS

[rossgoldie]

Ok so I am very new to working on my truck but I love wheeling so I think the next step for me is doing an SAS and lift at once (leafs front and rear). I want to put a dana 44 up front so I can't use the kits online as those need me to use an ond yota axle. Can anyone help me with a good parts list and or link to a dad thread for a 3rd gen?also what is the gearing of my rear axle as I would like to match the gearing. Also how big of a tire can I put on my stock rear axle, I want to put 35s on my truck.

 

[KidVermicious]

Ok so I am very new to working on my truck

I think the next step for me is doing an SAS

No. No way. If you had the skills to do your own SAS, you'd also have the skills to do a basic internet search and answer those questions yourself. You obviously don't have those skills, either because you are too new to the sport to know how to get critical information, or too lazy to go look it up yourself. Either of those disqualifies you from being capable of doing a safe solid axle conversion.

Assuming that you really are just green, my advice would be to keep wheeling. There's no way that you're getting all you can from your IFS, so stick with that for a while. As you get better, you will probably find that IFS is enough for you - it is for 99% of wheelers. If you decide in a couple years that you absolutely must have a solid axle, you'll have a much better base of skills and knowledge to tap in order to make that happen, and you'll be able to ask much better questions than "what parts do I need?"

 

[LandCruiser]

Allpro is one of the few companies into the solid axle Toyota business (Taco Supreme)--a bargain at 8 grand.

Slee Off Road outside of Denver can also slap a kit together for you.

It's cheaper to buy a solid axle vehicle if that's what you want.

 

[MStudt]

Ok so I am very new to working on my truck but I love wheeling so I think the next step for me is doing an SAS and lift at once (leafs front and rear). I want to put a dana 44 up front so I can't use the kits online as those need me to use an ond yota axle. Can anyone help me with a good parts list and or link to a dad thread for a 3rd gen?also what is the gearing of my rear axle as I would like to match the gearing. Also how big of a tire can I put on my stock rear axle, I want to put 35s on my truck.

All of the questions you're asking should point you in the direction of running away.

Using a D44 would give you issues from the start. Unless you can find one with the same WMS as the rear axle on your 4runner, you're in for some work. Shortening an axle isn't for someone who doesn't know what they're doing. You need to have jigs, and more importantly you need to know the process of welding cast iron. If you screw up welding on cast you can kiss your outter knuckles good bye.

 

[Andy in Pa]

Three words...

Research...
Research...
Research....

Anything is possible, and there is SOOO much info on the interwebs. Heck, there may even be someone local to your location that has done it. Look at Pirate 4x4 but don't post there until you KNOW what your doing. They are not as friendly over there to newbies as this site is...ound:

 

[MStudt]

Look at Pirate 4x4 but don't post there until you KNOW what your doing. They are not as friendly over there to newbies as this site is...ound:

You just need to post in the non-hardcore section and you'll be fine. It's just the dumb asses that post in the hardcore section asking which how big of tire they can run on a 6" lift that get flamed.

 

[rossgoldie]

Three words...

Research...
Research...
Research....

Anything is possible, and there is SOOO much info on the interwebs. Heck, there may even be someone local to your location that has done it. Look at Pirate 4x4 but don't post there until you KNOW what your doing. They are not as friendly over there to newbies as this site is...ound:

Ok so I have done a ton of research and I believe my best bet is getting an ifs-srs kit but the only problem I have is finding a 79-85 truck/4runner axle. Any ideas on finding one? craigslist and ebay have failed me so far. I know I can do this swap if I use a kit. I know my other option is to get a D44 axle and just get all the parts individually but I know there is a lot of stuff (bushings ect) that I can forget. Are there any threads here on 3rd gen srs? I cant seem to find any. I saw one on pirate 4x4 but it was with a kit. Ideas on which road I should take? I have access to the tools (torch, welder ect) and I know how to use them, just not on a car (that is why im so novice)

 

[downpour11]

Ok so I have done a ton of research and I believe my best bet is getting an ifs-srs kit but the only problem I have is finding a 79-85 truck/4runner axle. Any ideas on finding one? craigslist and ebay have failed me so far. I know I can do this swap if I use a kit. I know my other option is to get a D44 axle and just get all the parts individually but I know there is a lot of stuff (bushings ect) that I can forget. Are there any threads here on 3rd gen srs? I cant seem to find any. I saw one on pirate 4x4 but it was with a kit. Ideas on which road I should take? I have access to the tools (torch, welder ect) and I know how to use them, just not on a car (that is why im so novice)

There are no "Kits" to SAS a 3rd gen runner. You'll need to be able to do some fab work. Closest would be a TG kit, but you're going to need to make some of your own stuff. You can't just weld some stuff on and drop an axle in and be good to go. If you've done a ton of research, go back and do it 10 more times.

Still unsure if this is a troll thread or not lol no offense if it isn't. Sounds like you're gonna be in over your head real quick.

 

[rossgoldie]

There are no "Kits" to SAS a 3rd gen runner. You'll need to be able to do some fab work. Closest would be a TG kit, but you're going to need to make some of your own stuff. You can't just weld some stuff on and drop an axle in and be good to go. If you've done a ton of research, go back and do it 10 more times.

Still unsure if this is a troll thread or not lol no offense if it isn't. Sounds like you're gonna be in over your head real quick.

Yeah this isnt a troll thread. I should have been more specific, the kit I was looking at was the TG one

 

[MStudt]

Yeah this isnt a troll thread. I should have been more specific, the kit I was looking at was the TG one

First question is do you have a welder? Next, do you know what wms is? Next, find an axle that matches the wms of the rear. Less work for you this way.

 

[LandCruiser]

There are no "Kits" to SAS a 3rd gen runner. You'll need to be able to do some fab work.

Taco Supreme kit from Allpro.

It's a Tacoma/3rd gen kit.

By kit I still mean you'll have to mod and fab to get it to work.

A friend has a 3rd gen 4Runner with this. It's sweet, but he spent another 100 hours getting the damn thing to fit.

 

[rossgoldie]

First question is do you have a welder? Next, do you know what wms is? Next, find an axle that matches the wms of the rear. Less work for you this way.

I know it means "wheel mount surface" and that has to do with the flange? Im not sure past what it means to be honest but yeah that would be ideal to find a matching axle

 

[rossgoldie]

Taco Supreme kit from Allpro.

It's a Tacoma/3rd gen kit.

By kit I still mean you'll have to mod and fab to get it to work.

A friend has a 3rd gen 4Runner with this. It's sweet, but he spent another 100 hours getting the damn thing to fit.

What is your opinion on durability of the stock CV axle? I want to do SAS because I know that a solid axle is way more stonger. If I can put 35's on the stock CV and not be worried about breakage I might go that route with a toyotech lift.

 

[slowpoke99]

What is your opinion on durability of the stock CV axle? I want to do SAS because I know that a solid axle is way more stonger. If I can put 35's on the stock CV and not be worried about breakage I might go that route with a toyotech lift.

The stock birfs in a solid axle are by no means way stronger than the cv's. I've wheeled on both and grenaded stock birfs on simple obstacles that were a cakewalk for my rig before the sas. I axle swapped my 3rd gen with trail gears kit and it wasn't exactly a walk in the park. Let me be the first to tell you that it's a lot more involved than swapping a 1st/2nd gen (trust me, I've done quite a few axle swaps). A lot of guys think you just hack off the ifs, weld on some hangers and bolt on an axle. Don't approach it that way or you'll get in over your head in a hurry! Do your research and be sure it's what you need for the terrain that you wheel. Good luck!!!

 

[TheArkMaster]

If your only goal is to run 35s, You can fit 35s with a 3 inch lift and some cutting. You could do that for 2 grand. Or you can pay 10 grand and SAS and waste your money. Solid axles are great, but wheel your runner and work on your runner before you make up your mind. Every solid axle guy i've ever wheeled with is always in awe at what my runner can do with IFS.

 

[STX4Runner]

With a SAS you are basically creating from nothing all the suspension geometry involving the axle and steering and how all of that moves in every situation. This is wildly complex and unless you are very experienced with suspension, fabrication and steering work, it will be very easy to get in way over your head. I agree with everyone else, the stock ifs is way more capable than most people give it credit for. Wheel the ifs for as good long while and really consider if you need a sas.

 

[MStudt]

If your only goal is to run 35s, You can fit 35s with a 3 inch lift and some cutting. You could do that for 2 grand. Or you can pay 10 grand and SAS and waste your money. Solid axles are great, but wheel your runner and work on your runner before you make up your mind. Every solid axle guy i've ever wheeled with is always in awe at what my runner can do with IFS.

100% agree with this statement.

Not to mention if you want to SAS, spend the extra money and link it from the start. After ditching my first leaf sprung jeep for a custom 3 & 4 link set-up. I'll never go back to leafs, ever.

 

[BeaterToyota]

Ok so I am very new to working on my truck but I love wheeling so I think the next step for me is doing an SAS and lift at once (leafs front and rear). I want to put a dana 44 up front so I can't use the kits online as those need me to use an ond yota axle. Can anyone help me with a good parts list and or link to a dad thread for a 3rd gen?also what is the gearing of my rear axle as I would like to match the gearing. Also how big of a tire can I put on my stock rear axle, I want to put 35s on my truck.

I think you'll notice a theme in this thread: if you are asking these basic questions and don't even know what axle gearing you have you don't need a solid front axle under your rig.

You haven't really given us much info about your current setup... Is it stock? Do you still have stock sized tires? Do you still have street tires (or even all terrains)? Do you still have an open rear differential? Do you still have running boards? Is your rig still dent-free and scratch-free? If you answered "yes" to any of these questions you definitely do not need a SAS.

You mentioned buying a factory Toyota straight axle. You don't want that. It's not wide enough to match your rear axle and the differential is on the wrong side to match your transfer case front output.

Just go out and wheel your truck. Learn what it does well and what it doesn't do well. See how other rigs compare to yours on similar obstacles. You'll know when (if) you need a SAS.

If you're still asking the questions that you're asking in this thread you do not need one and it won't benefit you.

 

[thardy]

First off yes you can find an axle that will match your WMS, (Waggy 44). Second, coming from someone with an SASed 3rd gen, DON'T do it. I love mine, but not cheap, and a ton of work. The big question is what are you planning on doing once you have your SAS done?? Like others have said, the questions you are asking are questions that say you are not ready or capable of doing an SAS yourself. I would strongly discourage it.

Decide what kind of wheeling you are going to do. you can fit 35's under your rig with out an SAS with a lot less work. Likely you don't need a solid axle. Some days I wish I didn't do mine.

If you do it go with the waggy 44. If you use the toyota axles you are looking at a 4" difference in width. Check out [MENTION=92884]snivilous[/MENTION] build thread. He wheels his IFS no prob. http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-gen-t4rs/145641-snivs-custom-long-travel-build.html Also [MENTION=97939]TheArkMaster[/MENTION] http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-gen-t4rs/155759-arkmaster-build-thread.html These are proof that you do not need an SAS.

 

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