Ice Breaker - Winchester, VA 4/24-4/26/15

theBEAR

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Hey Everyone,

I wanted to shoot out an invite to any 4Runners in the Northern Virginia region. I'm already registered and I'm talking to a few other T4R.ORG members who might join as well. I'm inviting my MISC 4x4 brothers, but it would be cool to get a nice group of 4Runners together!

Here is the event registration site: Ice Breaker

I have spoken to Cove Campground personnel who will be hosting the event and it sounds like there is something for everyone at this event.
 
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I wanted to do a "review" on the BigDogs IceBreaker event that I attended this past weekend. I want to start by saying that, overall, I had a good experience. I wrote this for anybody who is new to offroading. I hope that you can learn from this experience. I feel like a harvest a wealth of info from these forums so I try to give back whenever I have an opportunity.

Lets start with the UGLY - On the itinerary, there was a night run set up for Friday night. The itinerary said 8PM. My buddy and I heard 8:30 from our camping neighbor so we all rode over there where we found a thinning crowd of pist off people who were all told 8PM. We waited another 15-20 minutes before said pist off crowd decided to run their own night ride. Needless to say, I was not impressed at the organization of the event so far.

I decided to give the administration the benefit of the doubt so we arrived on time to the roundup the next morning. They started the official "meeting" at 10 after nine o'clock which was forgivable IMHO. From there it went down hill.

NOTE: This was my very first offroad experience. I fooled around in my new to me Gen III 4Runner a few times, but offroading was very new to me so my antics were G rated. I was really hoping to learn alot from the people there who hold multiple events each year. I have a bone stock Gen III SR5 4Runner so I elected to run with the conservative group (level 1-3 trails).

The morning went well. After lunch . . . things got interesting to say the least. Our "guides" did not do much guiding at all. Not only did they get us lost at least twice (arguably 4 times), but once we found ourselves on really rough, damage inducing trails they were sitting on their hands while I was helping to direct people through the squirrely portions.

NOTE: I don't expect people to hold my hand and pamper me, but I am brand new to the offroading world. I was doing the best that I could to help other drivers but I have literally zero experience. The guide was literally standing next to me watching me help this guy through a ridiculous section of the trail. He wasn't standing there in a supportive, QA role. He was just standing there watching.

The BAD - Organization takes another hit. I was talking to an FJ guy who had been to BigDogs events a few times. He was lifted, armored, and winched. I asked him why he was in the "beginner" group. He said he likes this group better because he has more "control" over the group and he can get the guide to go to tougher stuff. At the time, I thought that was a reasonable logic. Later, after I was slamming my stock protected private parts on huge rocks I was pretty pissed off. Go run with the 4 group if you want level 4 trails!!! I have to drive my vehicle 75 miles home and go to work on Monday, pal. Thanks alot.

We were told we would get back to camp around 3-4. After we got lost a few times and found a few spots where 90% of the group had to be winched through it got to be 6 o clock and we were still navigating back to camp. At this point. I was very upset. Plans change, scheisse happens. I get it. But organization takes another hit.

The GOOD - Looking back, I had a good experience. Not great. Not awesome. Good. I met some really cool guys who taught me alot about offroading. I met a really cool landcruiser guy who invited to join his overlanding group. I was incredibly pleased with my 4Runners performance and saw what it was truly capable of. I made a few Jeeps look like matchbox cars. The Land Cruiser guy made the Rubicon guys looks stupid (he had a 3 inch lift on 33s). I also met a few other Jeep guys who will be joining me at Overland East in October. Not the best first time experience but I learned alot.

Now, I need to get some armor so I don't have the same gut wrenching experience the next time I get out.
 
Good to know! I was wondering about that group. I went to Overland East last year and had a great time.

I was just wondering if you are going back to Overland East this year and if you think its an event worth going to on an annual basis. Did you get the VIP package?
 
I wanted to do a "review" on the BigDogs IceBreaker event that I attended this past weekend. I want to start by saying that, overall, I had a good experience. I wrote this for anybody who is new to offroading. I hope that you can learn from this experience. I feel like a harvest a wealth of info from these forums so I try to give back whenever I have an opportunity.

Lets start with the UGLY - On the itinerary, there was a night run set up for Friday night. The itinerary said 8PM. My buddy and I heard 8:30 from our camping neighbor so we all rode over there where we found a thinning crowd of pist off people who were all told 8PM. We waited another 15-20 minutes before said pist off crowd decided to run their own night ride. Needless to say, I was not impressed at the organization of the event so far.

I decided to give the administration the benefit of the doubt so we arrived on time to the roundup the next morning. They started the official "meeting" at 10 after nine o'clock which was forgivable IMHO. From there it went down hill.

NOTE: This was my very first offroad experience. I fooled around in my new to me Gen III 4Runner a few times, but offroading was very new to me so my antics were G rated. I was really hoping to learn alot from the people there who hold multiple events each year. I have a bone stock Gen III SR5 4Runner so I elected to run with the conservative group (level 1-3 trails).

The morning went well. After lunch . . . things got interesting to say the least. Our "guides" did not do much guiding at all. Not only did they get us lost at least twice (arguably 4 times), but once we found ourselves on really rough, damage inducing trails they were sitting on their hands while I was helping to direct people through the squirrely portions.

NOTE: I don't expect people to hold my hand and pamper me, but I am brand new to the offroading world. I was doing the best that I could to help other drivers but I have literally zero experience. The guide was literally standing next to me watching me help this guy through a ridiculous section of the trail. He wasn't standing there in a supportive, QA role. He was just standing there watching.

The BAD - Organization takes another hit. I was talking to an FJ guy who had been to BigDogs events a few times. He was lifted, armored, and winched. I asked him why he was in the "beginner" group. He said he likes this group better because he has more "control" over the group and he can get the guide to go to tougher stuff. At the time, I thought that was a reasonable logic. Later, after I was slamming my stock protected private parts on huge rocks I was pretty pissed off. Go run with the 4 group if you want level 4 trails!!! I have to drive my vehicle 75 miles home and go to work on Monday, pal. Thanks alot.

We were told we would get back to camp around 3-4. After we got lost a few times and found a few spots where 90% of the group had to be winched through it got to be 6 o clock and we were still navigating back to camp. At this point. I was very upset. Plans change, scheisse happens. I get it. But organization takes another hit.

The GOOD - Looking back, I had a good experience. Not great. Not awesome. Good. I met some really cool guys who taught me alot about offroading. I met a really cool landcruiser guy who invited to join his overlanding group. I was incredibly pleased with my 4Runners performance and saw what it was truly capable of. I made a few Jeeps look like matchbox cars. The Land Cruiser guy made the Rubicon guys looks stupid (he had a 3 inch lift on 33s). I also met a few other Jeep guys who will be joining me at Overland East in October. Not the best first time experience but I learned alot.

Now, I need to get some armor so I don't have the same gut wrenching experience the next time I get out.

I was hesitant on rolling out there with you guys because I'm not armored up. It sounds like it was a good offroad learning experience for you though. Did you guys take any pics?
 
Yea pics! Post em!!

Actually, I took a ton of footage on my goPRO. Here are two links:

This was one of the more difficult obstacles on Saturday. This Land Cruiser faired the best out of the group. Lifted, Armored Rubicons were getting winched through this portion. Me and this LandCruiser guy got along great. We were both pissed at the incompetence of our guides. They told us to go a different route through this obstacle and me and Peader did not agree. We scouted out a secondary (less dangerous) route and this is the result.

NOTE: That thing up on top of his rig is a suction cup handle. His kid was standing up through the sunroof hanging on during the less demanding portions of the trail. EPIC

https://youtu.be/tdWg_njIIRM

This is a much less exciting video. My friends and I have gone here in years past and I wanted to show them what the new range looked like. They weren't able to make it out there this past weekend.

https://youtu.be/9i_6BcCzZ2Y

I'll post up some more videos in a few days. I need to write a research paper by Sunday. Speaking of that . . .
 
I was hesitant on rolling out there with you guys because I'm not armored up. It sounds like it was a good offroad learning experience for you though. Did you guys take any pics?

I hit hard a few times, but the only damage I could find was a little rub mark on my right rear Strut mount. Our 4Runners are pretty tough. Aside from a gut wrenching afternoon I had a good time! It was cool to see the potential of my stock rig.
 
I hit hard a few times, but the only damage I could find was a little rub mark on my right rear Strut mount. Our 4Runners are pretty tough. Aside from a gut wrenching afternoon I had a good time! It was cool to see the potential of my stock rig.

Nice! Sounds like a good time. After watching those videos, those trails don't look as rocky as I had initially thought.
 
Nice! Sounds like a good time. After watching those videos, those trails don't look as rocky as I had initially thought.

This is hilarious, but I was so concerned about damaging my Runner that I didn't even think to turn on my goPRO for the rough sections. The video of the LC was misleading. Because he was so wide, he went that route. I will poste a video later of the way that I went and I barely fit through a section with a tree on one side and a rock that made it almost mid door on the other. I have another video of the point where most of us flat out refused to go. ROCK ROCK ROCKY section. That is when we all turned around and looked for a more feasible route. It was a frustrating day . . .

Videos to follow
 
[MENTION=121404]theBEAR[/MENTION] thanks for detailed review. Really appreciated.

I am also new to offroading...Navigation is important part so you can keep things from breaking or spending lot to fix stuff which could be avoided. My T4R is also stock. Stock 4runner is very capable offroader and personally, I know the limits of 4runner so I will not take it to rock crawling.

If there is small group planning some beginner offroading trip, I would like to join. Just had do get some basic recovery gear first.
 
[MENTION=121404]theBEAR[/MENTION] thanks for detailed review. Really appreciated.

I am also new to offroading...Navigation is important part so you can keep things from breaking or spending lot to fix stuff which could be avoided. My T4R is also stock. Stock 4runner is very capable offroader and personally, I know the limits of 4runner so I will not take it to rock crawling.

If there is small group planning some beginner offroading trip, I would like to join. Just had do get some basic recovery gear first.

I'm glad that I've been able to help out a few people from sharing my experiences. Rock crawling in a DD, stock 4Runner is definitely not my cup of tea.

I'm in NOVA so I will shoot you an email the next time we are going out. My friends and I are planning to run down to George Washington National Forest in the next few months. There are very mild trails there from what I am told. Basically fire roads etc.
 

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