What do you mean by "non nanny" models? Thanks.
In need of a new vehicle - what would you do?
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What do you mean by "non nanny" models? Thanks.
Ripper238
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All the automatic "safety" features.
(BSM) Blind Spot Monitor, Smart Stop, (PCS) Pre-Collision System, (DRCC) Dynamic Radar Cruise Control, (LDA) Lane Departure Alert. Even the smart key that they are no longer doing.
Just more junk that des not work as well as it should yet.
This was my thought process when I bought my 2019 new. I knew at the time 2020 would have TSS and didn't want it. Though I would like to have had the updated head unit with Apple Car Play and larger screen.
Ripper238
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Horsethief
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Buy a beater for the new driver, new drivers are notoriously hard on vehicles. Plus, why saddle a new driver with a vehicle that gets such poor mileage? Get them a Honda Fit or similar.
100k on a 5th gen is damn near new, no reason to replace it any time in the next decade.
100k on a 5th gen is damn near new, no reason to replace it any time in the next decade.
2021nightshade4x4
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Also there are conversion threads if Entune version / big screen was a dealbreaker
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CutthroatSlam
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It’s better to buy what you know, than to speculate on what you don’t.
I know our current 2014 SR5 has 320K basically trouble free miles and I want that reliability. Dealers have been told that the 6th would get some version (porbably detuned) of the 3.4L twin turbo in the Tundra. Do a Google search on the wastegate failure problems they are having with the turbos. The wastegate is an integral part pf
the turbo, so you have to replace the whole turbo when the wastegate fails. For that you might get 2+ mpg on the highway and it comes at the expense of engine reliability. No thanks. So we have a 2023 ORP on order and we’re keeping the 2014 SR5.
speedandpower
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That's not true at all. BSM, DRCC, and LDA all work quite well and make road trips much more relaxed. I wish the 4Runner came with LCA because at that point all you'd need to do pay attention and the vehicle would drive itself damn near.
Having the preference of not purchasing those safety features is one thing. Alleging they're "nannies," whatever that means, and "junk that does not work as well as it should yet" simply isn't true. My guess is, if you're going to call safety tech nannies and have that much disdain for it, you've never really used them for any period of time outside maybe a test drive. Don't know it til you try it.
speedandpower
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OP - Not sure what the mileage is on your 4th gen, but if you've maintained it just keep driving it until the wheels fall off. That should give the market plenty of time to correct itself. Also, hopefully by then the 6th gen will be out and you can spend plenty of time researching and checking them out to help make a decision about what you want to buy in the future.
That said, if you're simply bored with the 4th gen and want something new, but want to stay within the Toyota/Lexus family, go check out the GX460. Slightly more comfortable and family friendly 4Runner. If money isn't an issue, you could always check out a Sequoia (previous gen not current) or the LX570. Much bigger vehicles but very nice.
If you can downsize, just buy a Rav4. It's hard to find one but the new Rav4 Hybrid is awesome. If you want to downsize even more, go for a Camry Hybrid.
That said, if you're simply bored with the 4th gen and want something new, but want to stay within the Toyota/Lexus family, go check out the GX460. Slightly more comfortable and family friendly 4Runner. If money isn't an issue, you could always check out a Sequoia (previous gen not current) or the LX570. Much bigger vehicles but very nice.
If you can downsize, just buy a Rav4. It's hard to find one but the new Rav4 Hybrid is awesome. If you want to downsize even more, go for a Camry Hybrid.
McLoven1t562
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I've read all the "wait" comments and just say I totally agree with them. This recession and the inevitable decline in used car prices makes it prime for buyers to just sit back and watch it happen before you jump.
I would say if you must buy a car very soon, maybe just look around for some beater 4 cylinder that'll get you A to B. Could likely buy it w cash for a few grand, maybe do a couple preventive maintenance fixes and just tack on miles w that, then throw it back up for sale once you can get a better deal on something you want for the long haul.
I've got my 96 SR5 with close to 330k so now I'm looking at little 4 cylinder cars from the 90's lol....course this is my preference anyways, I'm hoping to find an 88-91 Honda CRX to be my daily driver since I had an 89 Si back in the day. Absolutely love the little car because mpg is like 40, parking is so easy and insurance/parts are crazy cheap =P course I'm also in my 30's and single, so only person to take care of is ME.
ANYWHO, try to hang tight til like the Summer or shop around online and just be patient. better deals are coming our way as buyers
I would say if you must buy a car very soon, maybe just look around for some beater 4 cylinder that'll get you A to B. Could likely buy it w cash for a few grand, maybe do a couple preventive maintenance fixes and just tack on miles w that, then throw it back up for sale once you can get a better deal on something you want for the long haul.
I've got my 96 SR5 with close to 330k so now I'm looking at little 4 cylinder cars from the 90's lol....course this is my preference anyways, I'm hoping to find an 88-91 Honda CRX to be my daily driver since I had an 89 Si back in the day. Absolutely love the little car because mpg is like 40, parking is so easy and insurance/parts are crazy cheap =P course I'm also in my 30's and single, so only person to take care of is ME.
ANYWHO, try to hang tight til like the Summer or shop around online and just be patient. better deals are coming our way as buyers
mnofpeace
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Depending on budget...i'd go for the ONLY step up that i would want...
LC200 baby...as my plan A
Tundra as my plan B...not the newest, the previous model Crew Cab.
They both might be a little costly, but you already KNOW they will last and last and last, and probably will do everything you want them to do, plus alot more
just my 2 cents...
LC200 baby...as my plan A
Tundra as my plan B...not the newest, the previous model Crew Cab.
They both might be a little costly, but you already KNOW they will last and last and last, and probably will do everything you want them to do, plus alot more
just my 2 cents...
Ripper238
Senior Member
No, its true.
Yes, they are good concepts but even on a Tesla they have some way to go. They simply are not there yet, but they can assist for the non/less proactive driver that wants to just get from point A to B.
BSM complaints/issues:
Dim visual indicators.
Switching off and on randomly.
Faulty sensors that wear out over time.
Annoying alerts.
DRCC can be aggressive and leave large gaps between cars when in stop/go traffic. LDA has been known to get obstructed by snow or dirt.
And your statement "I wish the 4Runner came with LCA because at that point all you'd need to do pay attention and the vehicle would drive itself damn near" is exactly why I do have some distain for these systems even though i agree they are an added perceived benefit for safety.
I love to drive, I enjoy the proactive nature needed to drive. I don't like someone else driving, let alone some automated system deciding things for me. These systems makes us become more dependent and disengaged and add little more than extra cost currently and some perceived safety.
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I would not want them for around town and short trips but they could be handy on road trips. Probably not with the 4Runner - Toyota didn't even do a good job with its ABS.
paraiso123
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DAW89446
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The new and used market is still somewhat predatory. Increasing interest rates don’t help.
In the past, I’ve practiced buying left over stock from dealers after the new year vehicles have been on the lot a month or two. Dealers have been willing to deal to make room for the new vehicles. Especially profitable for me when the vehicle I’m buying is of a previous generation. To cut interest costs I’ve paid them off within a year.
Will that work today? I haven’t a clue. I’m not in the market currently. My T4R is an ‘18 and I have a ‘12 Subaru. I’m well into my senior years. I’m hoping that my timing will mean these are the last two vehicles I will ever need.
In the past, I’ve practiced buying left over stock from dealers after the new year vehicles have been on the lot a month or two. Dealers have been willing to deal to make room for the new vehicles. Especially profitable for me when the vehicle I’m buying is of a previous generation. To cut interest costs I’ve paid them off within a year.
Will that work today? I haven’t a clue. I’m not in the market currently. My T4R is an ‘18 and I have a ‘12 Subaru. I’m well into my senior years. I’m hoping that my timing will mean these are the last two vehicles I will ever need.
I'd say the Sequoia if you are pretty pavement-bound and gear-heavy. The 4R is just old and tired feeling. If you are off-roading, the the 4R is a decent option and can be modified to fit 33s. It is also smaller and much lighter (huge advantages) than the bigger Sequoia and LC, which are not great options for off-roading on our tighter trails in Colorado, for example. They are too heavy, too ponderous, and too wide. The 4R with a rear locker would be my choice of the three if off-roading. If not, the 4R is pretty meh to drive with its old motor and 5-speed trans.
The RAV4 is too small and I'd hate to be in a wreck with a large truck or SUV in that, so that would be out for me. The new Grand Highlander is a great bet for on-pavement duties. That was recently announced.
The RAV4 is too small and I'd hate to be in a wreck with a large truck or SUV in that, so that would be out for me. The new Grand Highlander is a great bet for on-pavement duties. That was recently announced.
You're in the same boat I was a week ago.
My 2006 Range Rover is getting older and I know it's not going to last forever, so I started looking for a new(er) one.
I know you mentioned that there wasn't enough change in the 2023 to justify buying new, but I found that the used ones brought so much money (hold their value so well) that buying new seemed the only way to go... YMMV
Best of luck in your search. I hope you find what makes you happy.
My 2006 Range Rover is getting older and I know it's not going to last forever, so I started looking for a new(er) one.
I know you mentioned that there wasn't enough change in the 2023 to justify buying new, but I found that the used ones brought so much money (hold their value so well) that buying new seemed the only way to go... YMMV
Best of luck in your search. I hope you find what makes you happy.
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