ISIS and its threat to America?

[nevada]

[MENTION=84120]nevada[/MENTION], Seriously? Do you really believe that if we kept to ourselves, and abandoned all US interests abroad, that would prevent Islamic terrorists groups from attacking and/or killing American citizens (abroad or at home)? When Israel abandoned the Gaza back in 2005, did that stop the Hamas from attacking and killing Jews? And while I am at it, have you read the Koran? I suggest you do so that you understand what we are dealing with. Muslims can say they are the religion of peace, but the behavior that Mohammed (the prophet) not only encouraged, but mandated should horrify everyone.

yes, absolutely. if were weren't all across the world pushing our agenda on other people and cultures that DONT want it, they would have ZERO reason to "target" us.

also, if james foley wasn't over there, im pretty sure he would still be alive right now. don't want to get killed, don't go there. its pretty simple.

 

[DannyLlama]

Rest assured that I know what they are..

Huh?

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As for what to do about ISIS ... Here's a thought, just brainstorming ...
* Split Iraq into three parts, this will allow the Sunnis who are backing ISIS to turn against them as an independent state.
* Significantly back Kurdish indepence
* Force Turkey to close the jihadist flow across their borders
* Immediately start backing Assad and promise him 10 years of non-intereference
* Stop all pro-democracy support in these other countries (you can see how it worked out in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan ... Who are these people kidding by supporting the revolutions)

^ This.. Brian, I dont know what sources you follow but you seem to hit it spot on every time. The thought of "democracy" in the mid east is the cause of this chaos. Yea it's nice idea but for people who can handle it.

 

[Doc2012]

Now is it just me, or maybe it's just being aired more but it seems that ever sense obama negotiated a deal for the 5 gitmo prisoners to our one marine that terrorist are starting to demand we negotiate with them. Did he open a can of worms by breaking our laws? Was a signal sent that we now negotiate for people.

Bowe Berghdal WAS NOT a Marine.

He was in the ARMY.

Don't get me started on that, that's another topic. (I was over there when the douche **** did that.....)


There is a Marine being held in a Mexican jail for "making a wrong turn", that Obama won't do anything about.

But then again, EVERY president has had an American Flag hanging behind them, and he has a Muslim Prayer curtain.......

Anyway.

Let loose the Enola Gay & Little Boy, Bockscar & Fat Man, and turn the whole damn middle east to a massive serving dish.

 

[02SE]

Huh?

You quoted me and then went into an explanation.

In response I stated that I am well aware of what they are.

 

[DannyLlama]

You quoted me and then went into an explanation.

In response I stated that I am well aware of what they are.

Oh... Ma bad

 

[MyHigh]

Now is it just me, or maybe it's just being aired more but it seems that ever sense obama negotiated a deal for the 5 gitmo prisoners to our one marine that terrorist are starting to demand we negotiate with them. Did he open a can of worms by breaking our laws? Was a signal sent that we now negotiate for people.

Bowe Berghdal WAS NOT a Marine.

He was in the ARMY.

Don't get me started on that, that's another topic. (I was over there when the douche **** did that.....)


There is a Marine being held in a Mexican jail for "making a wrong turn", that Obama won't do anything about.

But then again, EVERY president has had an American Flag hanging behind them, and he has a Muslim Prayer curtain.......

Anyway.

Let loose the Enola Gay & Little Boy, Bockscar & Fat Man, and turn the whole damn middle east to a massive serving dish.

I apologize, my mistake, no disrespect to your marine family. What's happening to tahmooressie is truly a sad story, having lived in SD for 20 years I'm still amazed how the road way seems to tunnel you through with very little means of departure. Being stressed and unfamiliar I can easily understand his mistake.

Thank you for your service,

But my question still stands, did we open the door for more ransoms from these vile creatures?

 

[LMR]

Brian, I dont know what sources you follow but you seem to hit it spot on every time.

Probably because he doesn't let politics from the left or right cloud his views. And having been in the military does hurt either.

 

[JayceeP]

Let's face it, the "normal" Muslims obviously don't condone what is going on here and state this is not what Islam is all about. I personally find the Quran very bold, stubborn, and hostile, but regardless of that, this religion is being hijacked. We are not talking about a few dozen whacko's here. We are talking tens of thousands, if not hundreds or millions, of hopped up crazies ready to slaughter anyone who does not align with their views. Unfortunately, this is the reality of modern Islam.

How the hell can anyone who grew up in the West be so angry that they feel the need to behead someone? What kind of mental drug instills this rage in them? Think about that- where did it come from? Around the world, Muslims are not happy in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Nigeria, Sudan, Lybia, Egypt. They are happy in France, Germany, UK, Canada, US, Australia though. Pretty odd considering our infidel ways.

What I find puzzling though, is the slow creeping mild demands that are being made. Look up the Muslim party in Brussels, Belgium. It is their desire that Sharia law govern Belgium. Look up the Muslim patrols in UK. Look up the Muslim man in Toronto who prevented a father from watching his daughter swim because the Muslim man's Muslim daughter was in the pool and it is against his/their beliefs- the school obliged. Google the requests to not remove face coverings in courts of law. What about the Muslim in a martial arts class who refused to bow (only bows to Allah) and refused to interact with female students due to his beliefs. Still earned his belt though. Had to accommodate him. University student refused to work with female students even though his groups were pre-assigned. University obliged, he still passed.

I find it all very perplexing. I do feel, in the years to come, we will see more unrest within our own borders.

 

[MyHigh]

No. If you look into the FAcTS of this you will see that ISIS has been taking hostages for the last 2-3 years completely independent of the prisoner swap. Also a prisoner swap is not a ransom payment. The US has refused to pay ransoms for citizens and I don't see that changing.

The simple fact is that ISIS will take anyone hostage that they can, it has nothing to do with that particular prisoner swap. If you want to look into more the research the Europeans who have paid 100s millions for ransom to get their citizens home
They are really the ones fueling the fire.

Well I guess time will tell, as of now we are at two and counting. This after holding them for many years as prisoners and just now using them as means of propaganda.

And the question wasn't whether or not we would pay a ransom, but rather why now? Why all of a sudden they are demanding money from the US for people they have held for years? To me it's just too much a coincidence this has started happening just months after the prisoner swap, they saw a weakness and decided to exploite it.

 

[ndcent]

The idea the world is going to sh!t "all of the sudden" as to lay blame to the current administration is to be contextually ignorant. Americans were beheaded abroad under the previous administration as well - this is not an attempt to lay blame but rather refresh some context and perspective into the discussion.

We've been on a long path of self destruction, our current administration accelerating it is debatable but it ignores a bigger picture.

The "good old days" are never coming back.

 

[MyHigh]

It's sad how a simple question can cause such answers. It's been my understanding that terrorist know that the US does not pay ransoms for hostages, therefore leading the Americans held against their will to die and or escape, or god willing be rescued.

Okay, so they have been asking for Monday for years but just recently started acting upon their threats of killing if not payed for. Let's assume it's because of the current bombing campaign that's taking place, the terrorist are playing there only cards they have, "social media"

You guys are reading into my question more then what's it's meant to be. It was simply why now? Not this is a new thing, or another prez has never dealt with terrorist before, or even the world has all of a sudden gone to sh!t. Simply put you are irrational in your answers, maybe you are offended? I don't know, a simple question should not offend anyone. However question that are answered in such disdain should, and will.

It saddens me to see people that think American will never be great again, that Americas best times are gone and past. All I can hope is in time rather then being so negative that you choose to make America how great it is, without people looking to better America it will struggle to find it's glory she once held, but I think we are a great nation and a resilient people that won't allow your America to fall to her knees.

 

[hikenbike]

MyHigh, I wouldn't get too depressed or frustrated. There are about 6 people involved in this thread.....hardly an indicator or any authorities on Americas future. Americas education system is a much bigger threat to America than ISIS x12 and yet this is a great country now and always will be!

 

[MyHigh]

Hikenbike, would could not be more correct.

 

[BrianSD_42]

It saddens me to see people that think American will never be great again, that Americas best times are gone and past.

Well I certainly don't think that way but I agree that many push that belief and use it to scare the public.

I'm not worried about a few thousand guys in the desert who don't even believe in chemistry.

Isis only has power because the Sunnis in Iraq and the formal bathist party military are backing them. They are supported by the people of Iraq. If they conquer all of Iraq then they will be the face and future of Iraq. My point is that it is really the Sunnis who have decided to break away from core Iraq and not just 10k foreign ISIS guys - its all the Sunnis. We can either refuse their independence and all of Sunni lands will fall to Isis or grant independance and the tribal leaders may rise up. Right now they (millions of Sunni) are backing ISIS.

All we have to do is make sure they are isolated and don't bring their twisted beliefs here.

Britain is a perfect test case of what not to do .

 

[hikenbike]

Well I certainly don't think that way but I agree that many push that belief and use it to scare the public

IMO this is largely due to some network and cable "news" channels that fabricate constant gloom and doom stories about how horrible this country is and the ineptitude of its leadership.

 

[BigNuge]

IMO this is largely due to some network and cable "news" channels that fabricate constant gloom and doom stories about how horrible this country is and the ineptitude of its leadership.

It'll all work out man....pass the doobie

 

[ben550]

All we have to do is make sure they are isolated and don't bring their twisted beliefs here.

Britain is a perfect test case of what not to do .

Um yea... Muhammad is now the most popular name for baby boys in England and Wales | Mail Online

I sure don't want that to happen here although I'm sure we're already on that path.

Solution to all so called "Americans" fighting with isis over there... Passport/citizenship revoked. Congratulations you are no longer an "American citizen" if you ever really were...

Oh and that jihadi who shot up ft hood now wants to become a citizen of the islamic califate... how on earth is he still alive? why have we not hung him already? He's probably still being paid by the gov... watch he still "earns" a pension... haha

Fort Hood shooter says he wants to become 'citizen' of Islamic State caliphate | Fox News

 

[JayceeP]

[MENTION=65101]BrianSD_42[/MENTION], thanks for sharing that.

Great debate. I marginally sided with opposing the motion because, as Douglas put it, the question is, "Is Islam a religion of peace today." It would have been interesting to watch this debate take place in the present because I think things would be considered even worse than 4 years ago.

I look forward to watching their other debates.

 

[DannyLlama]

the U.S. has started strikes in Syria and Irag on ISIS... Thank God!

U.S. airstrikes hit ISIS targets inside Syria - CNN.com

The U.S. claims they did not notify Syria, I highly doubt that.

 

[ben550]

Removing Saddam was not a good idea. Removing Assad would be an equally bad decision...

These guys might be "bad" but at least they kept or currently keep these isis monsters at bay...

Assad was kicking the snot out of isis in Syria until we got involved.