KO2 no traction -Scary!

I agree with the KO2's and rainy/slippery roads. In a few months when I bump up to 295/70's I am going to go with Nitto Terra grappler G2's because of their better snow and wet grip. The KO2's are great in the dirt, but that is about the only place that they shine imo, as an off-road tire. My 2nd option is the General Grabber X3's. You just can't beat either of those for the money. Though I suspect that the General's will have similar issues as the KO2's. The biggest concern for me is snow, ice and wet roads. For that, it looks like the sipes that are cut into the Nittos will make them the winner.

Edit... I just started looking at the Ridge Grapplers as well... They appear to be contenders also.
 
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I am getting a new 4runner! But I am planning to install new KO2, living in Canada where snow and rain is part of life, I am second guessing. Are they so bad that I should reconsider?

Personally I would consider other tires... KO2, at least the E load KO2 wasn't that great for snow/rain.
 
I am getting a new 4runner! But I am planning to install new KO2, living in Canada where snow and rain is part of life, I am second guessing. Are they so bad that I should reconsider?

It depends on your expectations and your driving style. Are KO2's the best in wet weather conditions? Not really, but they're manageable if you're attentive to the road conditions, temperature, and your PSI. Not everyone is, and given other available options, those who aren't should shy away.

I think I've said this half a dozen time on this forum, but you should buy the tire best suited to your driving style and terrain/conditions, not for looks alone. Tires are the single largest and most expensive safety item on your vehicle, and are often the most neglected and overlooked.

That said, KO2's are a desert style tire built for Baja and similar other dry/arid terrains. You can tell this by looking at the tire's tread pattern and design. They are designed to grip uneven terrain...There are no straight channels for water to escape easily without causing some kind of float. The more water, the more chance of a loss of traction due to the inability for water to escape from under the tire. Most AT tires have this same issue but to a lesser degree, as their tread pattern generally has a straighter pattern running the circumference of the tire (Cooper AT3/ATP's for example).

Most everyone in here is just providing anecdotal evidence. Expedition portal did a fairly comprehensive test of AT tires on the market a few years back using the BFG KO's, among other competitors, and it was the worst wet weather performer and near bottom to mid range performer in all but one of the On-road scenarios (Comparison Link Here). The tread design has not significantly changed since the original KO's, however the K02 did see slight changes in tread design, siping, compound mixtures, and shoulder protection leading to better offroad performance, but they still use the same basic tread pattern which is largely the biggest issue with wet performance.

You need to take into account that customers/forum members will make all sorts of mental leaps to rationalize their purchase for shame of being ousted for buying the wrong product for their situation (or they aren't using it in the way that you intend to), while on the other hand, others will go out of their way to bash a product for not meeting their expectations despite buying the tire based on reasons it shouldn't have been purchased (ie: wet performance).

The KO2 is a great tire, that is handsome and very popular on these forums and in general, but it's not the best tire for every situation... it doesn't matter how hard Joe Blow spouts off at how his have been fine for XX,XXX miles in rainy conditions, in the end it's just his opinion, and opinions are like a$$holes; everyone has them and they're all full of sh*t.

Research. Look for comparisons by independent groups with no vested interest in the product for which you're interested. Look for comparable data (skid pad results, slalom times, stopping distance, wet weather performance) not customer surveys (that's just more anecdotal crap). Do this and you won't have buyers remorse later.

I'll leave one last little nugget. If you plan on buying a tire, and wet weather performance is a big consideration... look at different racing series' tire options for wet weather. Tread designs for those are likely the best designs available for that given condition. F1 is a great example. Look at how the channels in the tire are designed to move water out and away from the tire. If wet weather handling is a major consideration in your purchase, you would be best suited to find a tire that employs similar tread pattern designs in their tire.

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Edit: I'll leave this article here that also discusses the importance of tread patterns, compounds, tread depth, and air pressures https://blog.tirerack.com/blog/bens-blog/best-tires-for-rain.
 
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reviving an old thread but can somone with 265/70/17 chime in with c rated ko2? wouldnlike to hear from someone with a good amount of mileage in wet conditions.

265/70/17 C

18k on the clock over 2 years... never had a problem or lost traction, and I drive pretty aggressively (even in the wet).
 
KO2s suck in wet conditions, no question. They have essentially zero siping and a very hard rubber compound, which makes them a poor choice from a safety standpoint for a daily driver that will see rain and wet roads. I've had mine for over 55k miles, and while I'm mostly content with them, I'll never buy them again based on this. There's plenty of people that are happy with them and that's great, but it doesn't change the fact that they're near the bottom of the list for wet traction just based on their design. Same for the General Grabbers I had on my 4th gen when I wrecked that, they're basically a clone of the KO2. Hydroplaned on the freeway going about 55 mph and totalled it.

More reasons I'll never buy them again:
-They run absurdly small. My 34x10.5 tires measured out to barely 32" brand new
-They wore extremely unevenly and need to be balanced often
-I've picked up a ton of nails and rocks on the highway with them, I think I had 6 punctures in less than a year. Seems to be way too much for a D load AT tire.

That said, I've had them for 55k miles and they still have a good amount of tread left, so they definitely last a long time. I'm replacing them this winter regardless, I don't want to spend another winter driving slow as hell on the freeway and still sliding around at only 45mph.
 
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If it rains all the time where you are...then KO2s are not the tire for you. Research for a good wet tire rated AT. Maybe coopers or michelins. They may not look nice and aggressive but will be safer for you. KO2s are good at everything, great at nothing.
 
Well,

I live in MN where rain and snow are pretty darn common. Bought some 285/75/70 KO2s (C class) yesterday. I've heard mixed reviews on just about every single tire that is made. I am curious to see how I like them...they look freaking awesome and I have a lot of buddies who run them that say it's the only tire they'll buy again.

I'll report back after I throw them on. :yo:
 
I grew up in the NW so have driven a lot of things in the rain. Now I live in Austin so slightly different test case. But..... I love my KO2s. When its dumping rain in Texas (which is basically the only way it rains in Texas) I feel like I have great grip. Also felt like some of the lane wondering subsides. Don't have that many miles on them, so maybe I am in the honeymoon phase.
 
I had KO2s on my F150. I experienced absolutely no issues with wet traction, they were phenomenal throughout the Ontario winter and were relatively quiet. I honestly cannot imagine myself ever running another tire on a 4wd vehicle. My 4Runner has some weird Kelly Edge AT tires on it from the dealership, and they are noticeably louder than the KO2s were, but wet traction seems to be fine. We'll see how they do when the white bullshit starts falling from the sky.
 
In WV, on the curvy 2 lane back roads that post a 55mp speed limit, I have to be extrmemly careful in wet conditions with the KO2's.Thank God for stability control, or whatever Toyota calls it.
 
KO2s are good at everything, great at nothing.

Exactly. Which is why I've been mostly content with them for so long. But it only took one or two powerslides on a wet freeway for me to make up my mind that I don't want them on a daily driver anymore.
 
Same here. 265/70/17 C. 10k.

Had no idea this was an issue until I saw this thread.

I'll chime back in. This is the problem with "customer reviews".

In a perfect world, you would never hear about it because if people made perfectly informed decisions (or their needs didn't change post purchase), there would be no discussion.

It's also worth noting where each individual lives on the spectrum of average annual rainfall, and total days with rainfall. (same goes for Snow/ice).

Those that have determined the KO2 to be unacceptable for rain, based on my inherently biased observation, generally experience a greater amount of rainfall than others that say they're fine in the rain. It also is worth noting road conditions and elevation changes. Again, based on my observations, the more variance in elevations within a region, coupled with more rainfall, the more likely said individual would be dissatisfied with the tire.

For everyone else on here:

This is the problem with using subjective information on something that can vary from situation to situation... Consider the sources. If you really want to know objectively what the best tire is for your needs, buy a subscription to consumer reports or find a way to obtain similar information from another independent source (like the expedition portal article I linked above)...

All that said, if all I had was customer reviews, I would base my decision on those in either a similar situation/climate/usage as my own, and those that have experience with other tires. Not what someone in a different state has to say, or someone that's only bought one brand and model (like the BFG cult that is present in all tire scenes). Your experience WILL vary and your expectation on tire performance are likely very different from others in this forum. It's like every other opinion piece on horsepower and ride comfort in this forum. Some say it's plenty of power, rides like a dream, stops with no nose dive, and handles like it's on rails... and to them it might. Their last vehicle likely didn't perform as well in all those areas, or their expectations were lower than others that had a different opinion on the matter.

If you're wondering where I fall in the tire spectrum (not that it matters)... I have Cooper ATP's (the discount tire specific AT3). I love them and think they perform exceptionally well for my needs. I have 35K on them thus far, and it looks like I'll get at least another 30k out of them before I'm anywhere close to the minimal tread depth. I currently sit at ~11/32 and they started out at 16.5/32. Based on what I've read, and the personal experience I have with the BFG KO2, I would not buy a BFG tire (even if I was in a dry climate... there's just so many other cheaper and better options).
 
I was running KO2s on my 95 Montero and I thought they were the worst in rain. Living in Washington we have to deal with wet roads all the time. It felt like every time I had to stop suddenly the vehicle would slide past where the normal stopping point would be. If I was turning when it was wet the montero would slide a bit before getting traction. Running with Falken since I got my 4runner and have nothing bad to say about them at all.
 
Every time I see threads crop up about these tires being scary I'm honestly surprised. I have at least 6000 miles on these in the dead of Utah winter at altitudes of 5000 - 8000 ft and have never lost traction like people are talking about here.

I'm not going to lie however my main draw to this tire is the look, with performance secondary. I wanted a tire that was good for Moab and good for ski resort travel.
 
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I am really hoping tire rack continues this trend with truck tires and does more tests. They really do a lot with car tires and have unbiased data to make informed decisions on. I have to say over the last 10+ years I have used their data to help make decisions for our other vehicles and have not gone wrong yet. When I got my 4Runner I was surprised to find they had not done any AT or truck tire testing. Seemed like a missed opportunity from their perspective. Anyhow, for those interested, here is a pretty good test of 4 AT tires. No KO2 but given how much they like the Conti, I may go that route for my 99% street ride. (I had KO2's near the top of my list for awhile now)

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=240
 
I am really hoping tire rack continues this trend with truck tires and does more tests. They really do a lot with car tires and have unbiased data to make informed decisions on. I have to say over the last 10+ years I have used their data to help make decisions for our other vehicles and have not gone wrong yet. When I got my 4Runner I was surprised to find they had not done any AT or truck tire testing. Seemed like a missed opportunity from their perspective. Anyhow, for those interested, here is a pretty good test of 4 AT tires. No KO2 but given how much they like the Conti, I may go that route for my 99% street ride. (I had KO2's near the top of my list for awhile now)

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=240

All tires listed there have some pretty significant siping on them, so if you're looking for something with good wet traction, it's hard to compare a KO2 to any of those listed.

EDIT: I'm dumb, I thought you meant you were comparing the KO2 to the conti. Ignore me
 

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