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Yeah, I don't get this either. What's the point? Saving, like $0.50 every fill up, taking a factory designed and robust system and changing it all around for "peace of mind?" If your ADD actuator fails it's probably a lot cheaper to fix than this conversion is to buy and install.
 
Lava rocks said:
Prevents wear and tear on cvs ! I do believe in manual hubs . May end up purchasing them!
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Front axle assembly only costs $350.

OEM*Axle Assembly for 2010 Toyota 4Runner|43430-60090 : Toyota Parts Online | Olathe Toyota Parts Center

I don't know of anyone on here with CVs suffering from breakage due to normal wear and tear. Spending $2,500 to save $700 worth of CVs that aren't having problems doesn't make sense. I get the idea; it's cool and old school, but in the end it doesn't make sense.
 
I have not looked into the details on this implementation, but manual hubs are absolutely wonderful to have. They are awesome and it would be a huge boon if the trucks came for the factory with them vs the ADD...

Some reasons they are great for the more hard core guys.....
1. Run crazy CV angles with 0 worries about boot wear. The CV wear and tears happens mainly from on-road.

2. If you run manual bubs in the rear (we already have full float axles. You can flat tow the truck

3. Bust an axle shaft... Just unlock and drive home.

4. 2 Lo is fun

5. small improvement in MPG

6. No more diff needle bearing roar for those with that problem.



With a CV you are screwed and stuck with changing it out if anything goes wrong. And if you trash the front diff.. you are not going anywhere... Had this happen to friend and he could not even move the truck off the trail. Had to get trailer back in there to get it out. If he would have had manual hubs.. Just flip and drive home...

I have the aisin manual hubs on my crawler.. They are solid and hold up well. You can also run chromo internals gears if necessary. They are awesome. The only weak spot I've found on them is the studs and those can easily be upgraded.
 
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wfo9 said:
I have not looked into the details on this implementation, but manual hubs are absolutely wonderful to have. They are awesome and it would be a huge boon if the trucks came for the factory with them vs the ADD...

Some reasons they are great for the more hard core guys.....
1. Run crazy CV angles with 0 worries about boot wear. The CV wear and tears happens mainly from on-road.

2. If you run manual bubs in the rear (we already have full float axles. You can flat tow the truck

3. Bust an axle shaft... Just unlock and drive home.

With a CV you are screwed and stuck with changing it out if anything goes wrong. And if you trash the front diff.. you are not going anywhere... Had this happen to friend and he could not even move the truck off the trail. Had to get trailer back in there to get it out. If he would have had manual hubs.. Just flip and drive home...

I have the aisin manual hubs on my crawler.. They are solid and hold up well. You can also run chromo internals gears if necessary. They are awesome. The only weak spot I've found on them is the studs and those can easily be upgraded.
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This. I had them on my built 80, it was nice to have and saved the Bobby long chromo birfs from the wear of the road too.

I don't see doing this to my Runner..but I know and understand the benefits to a certain group.

Oh and because I miss her and to show how...different my wants were compared to now...

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wfo9 said:
I have not looked into the details on this implementation, but manual hubs are absolutely wonderful to have. They are awesome and it would be a huge boon if the trucks came for the factory with them vs the ADD...

Some reasons they are great for the more hard core guys.....
1. Run crazy CV angles with 0 worries about boot wear. The CV wear and tears happens mainly from on-road.

2. If you run manual bubs in the rear (we already have full float axles. You can flat tow the truck

3. Bust an axle shaft... Just unlock and drive home.

4. 2 Lo is fun

5. small improvement in MPG

6. No more diff needle bearing roar for those with that problem.



With a CV you are screwed and stuck with changing it out if anything goes wrong. And if you trash the front diff.. you are not going anywhere... Had this happen to friend and he could not even move the truck off the trail. Had to get trailer back in there to get it out. If he would have had manual hubs.. Just flip and drive home...

I have the aisin manual hubs on my crawler.. They are solid and hold up well. You can also run chromo internals gears if necessary. They are awesome. The only weak spot I've found on them is the studs and those can easily be upgraded.
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Two reasons manual hubs suck:
1. Salt in winter
2. Really cold weather

In nice warm dry climates they are OK. In the rest of the world they are terrible. Remember we use 4WD for more than just going off road lol.
 
1engineer said:
Two reasons manual hubs suck:
1. Salt in winter
2. Really cold weather

In nice warm dry climates they are OK. In the rest of the world they are terrible. Remember we use 4WD for more than just going off road lol.
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While I agree and this is NOT the target market, you cant disagree with the rest of his points for the wheelers.

I don't miss turning my hubs when I'm doing 50 mph and want 4x4....


But I'm also pissed that at 93k miles my Ram is coming up for a front end rebuild. The unit bearings are big $$$ and hubs would have saved that part...trade offs. I'm m looking at almost $2k in parts with me doing the labor....yuk.
 
Vinsil said:
While I agree and this is NOT the target market, you cant disagree with the rest of his points for the wheelers.

I don't miss turning my hubs when I'm doing 50 mph and want 4x4....


But I'm also pissed that at 93k miles my Ram is coming up for a front end rebuild. The unit bearings are big $$$ and hubs would have saved that part...trade offs. I'm m looking at almost $2k in parts with me doing the labor....yuk.
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They are perfect for off road I agree. When it's below zero and your hubs won't shift because the grease is froze and salt has corroded everything? Um, no. I also remember locking the hubs before starting a trip over 300 miles of interstate just knowing I was going to be in and out of 4wd because of periods of snow covered roads. Five hours later you just drove 300 miles with your hubs locked and the roads were still dry lol.

They have their place. A narrow application but one nonetheless.
 
1engineer said:
They are perfect for off road I agree. When it's below zero and your hubs won't shift because the grease is froze and salt has corroded everything? Um, no. I also remember locking the hubs before starting a trip over 300 miles of interstate just knowing I was going to be in and out of 4wd because of periods of snow covered roads. Five hours later you just drove 300 miles with your hubs locked and the roads were still dry lol.

They have their place. A narrow application but one nonetheless.
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So true. I've done that so many times...lol.:D



I do like not having the added hassles for my daily drivers.
 
wfo9 said:
I have not looked into the details on this implementation, but manual hubs are absolutely wonderful to have. They are awesome and it would be a huge boon if the trucks came for the factory with them vs the ADD...

Some reasons they are great for the more hard core guys.....
1. Run crazy CV angles with 0 worries about boot wear. The CV wear and tears happens mainly from on-road.

2. If you run manual bubs in the rear (we already have full float axles. You can flat tow the truck

3. Bust an axle shaft... Just unlock and drive home.

4. 2 Lo is fun

5. small improvement in MPG

6. No more diff needle bearing roar for those with that problem.



With a CV you are screwed and stuck with changing it out if anything goes wrong. And if you trash the front diff.. you are not going anywhere... Had this happen to friend and he could not even move the truck off the trail. Had to get trailer back in there to get it out. If he would have had manual hubs.. Just flip and drive home...

I have the aisin manual hubs on my crawler.. They are solid and hold up well. You can also run chromo internals gears if necessary. They are awesome. The only weak spot I've found on them is the studs and those can easily be upgraded.
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How is the front diff powered by the transfer case in these trucks? I assume there's a front shaft of some sort, but is it totally inaccessible on the trail? Just thinking of a contingency plan for myself. If you bust a front diff could you potentially pull both front cv's? Would probably only help if you had a part time case though.
 
Also, as they mention in the linked thread, if you can manually leave the front diff actuator locked, then manual hubs would be pretty cool. I'd be the same as the old trucks.

I think in the end, I'd rather come up with a manual ADD actuator or a relatively quick trail fix to keep in truck, should that fail, rather than going to manual hubs. At least in the manual transftercase 4Rs, that seems to be the only real weak link.
 
Had manual hubs on my Scout II and "automatic" manual hubs my 84 Suburban. I don't miss them. Both had to be rebuilt within a few years. Trying to lock my Suburban on the side of the I-25 just South of Wyoming in the dead of winter to ensure they were locked was the worst.

My 4Runner is a freaking luxury vehicle in comparison.
 
1971 blazer: locking hubs have to get out, lock them, get back in

2010 4runner: 4WD on the fly

im going to pick my 4runner all day.
 
Vinsil said:
While I agree and this is NOT the target market, you cant disagree with the rest of his points for the wheelers.

I don't miss turning my hubs when I'm doing 50 mph and want 4x4....


But I'm also pissed that at 93k miles my Ram is coming up for a front end rebuild. The unit bearings are big $$$ and hubs would have saved that part...trade offs. I'm m looking at almost $2k in parts with me doing the labor....yuk.
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lol. I was reading this thread and taking in everyone's points of view and considering their merit and then came across your post and realized I switched in and out of 4WD (I have a trail) 3 times coming up from Colorado Springs to Denver this morning (slushy roads). Thanks for the post.
 
Can remember a time in the late 90's parked on the side of the road trying to unfreeze my manual hubs with no gloves when a plow truck came by and added insult to injury, throwing snow all over me. I'm good with the current setup. As a matter of fact, I'm hard pressed to think of a mod I'd want to make even less than this. YMMV
 
Ryan1975 said:
lol. I was reading this thread and taking in everyone's points of view and considering their merit and then came across your post and realized I switched in and out of 4WD (I have a trail) 3 times coming up from Colorado Springs to Denver this morning (slushy roads). Thanks for the post.
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KingTaco said:
Can remember a time in the late 90's parked on the side of the road trying to unfreeze my manual hubs with no gloves when a plow truck came by and added insult to injury, throwing snow all over me. I'm good with the current setup. As a matter of fact, I'm hard pressed to think of a mod I'd want to make even less than this. YMMV
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...and that is just the type of real world example why I won't even look into this. My 4Runner isn't just a trail rig only.

It has to fly low near the highways every once in a while...:plane:
 
007Tacoma said:
...and that is just the type of real world example why I won't even look into this. My 4Runner isn't just a trail rig only.

It has to fly low near the highways every once in a while...:plane:
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KingTaco said:
Can remember a time in the late 90's parked on the side of the road trying to unfreeze my manual hubs with no gloves when a plow truck came by and added insult to injury, throwing snow all over me. I'm good with the current setup. As a matter of fact, I'm hard pressed to think of a mod I'd want to make even less than this. YMMV
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I have a lot of experience with manual hubs. My first 4Runner had them. If someone approached me and said "Greg, you have two choices today. You can install manual hubs on your 4Runner, or go have a colonoscopy while a dentist is drilling on your teeth with no anesthesia." I would sadly just drive my ADD equipped 4Runner over to the doctor's office...
 
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