Militiamen Occupy Oregon Wildlife Office in Protest of Ranchers' Prison Terms

I came in this conversation late, but that line there, is incorrect.
sorry, but no you are wrong.

the bullet impact wont have any more push than the recoil at the firearm. "knockdown power" is a myth and misnomer. hydrostatic shock is the closest you get, but that is internal. the bullet isn't going to KNOCK anyone down.
 
I had a page in the late 90's...a pre-blog, blog, as well as an open and closed forum I started in 96...it started on the issue of the two digit year correction, known as the Y2K bug. I consider it very successful, the problem was fixed, I made money, and my readers realized that the system was frail and they should be prepared for stormy weather.

We wrote on many issues, including religion, philosophy, emergency preparedness, politics, the computer issue, our nuclear insecurity, and the threat of Al Qaeda, which we were all facing and mostly oblivious to. We even had a section on free range chickens...in 96 no less. If you search free range chickens, I guarantee you will see folks using a system I designed.

I know for a fact that several major computer failures were averted because of my writing, and in fact, I met with several corporate heads and an army planner as well. My major concern was nuclear power and the western power grid. In at least two circumstance that I know, my work was instrumental in keeping the grid hot, including the Northwest grid, which came under physical attack by terrorists, a fact that few remember.

My site, and open and closed forum became a clearing house for preppers and computer programmers, but was really a rather small one at about 50,000 new visits weekly.

Today I would not have the same blog, or forums as the preppers are pessimists, and I have never been pessimist, I believe in the ascendancy of man, and no matter how bad it gets I believe western civilization will improve.

I nevertheless, still believe people need to be prepared and self reliant in any emergency situation. I don't even make a road trip without a bug out bag and at least a weeks food.

The market today is full of bloggers, most of them younger and sharper than. I was into such things in my youth...as well I was into inventing things and design and utility patents. I am getting old, so I am not as sharp as I once was and managing a blog, and being committed to it, is more than I want at this stage in life. This is a good forum, and until I am either bored and ready to move on, or thrown out, I will stir the shit here.

I recommend Lew Rockwell's page, and the Misses institute for economic and political reading. I do not agree with everything on Rockwell's page, but it gives you something to think about, sometimes pisses you off, but always makes you think about issues in a manner contrary to the media talking heads.

Its like a clean rinse for the soap of media brain washing...
 
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Defiance is a virtue

...The cops that put people into torture-and-rape prisons are particularly intolerant of defiance, and they are liable to put a “mundane” into the ground if they catch the slightest whiff of it. As this propensity has recently become hugely controversial, authoritarian cops have taken to the presses and airwaves to teach citizens a remedial lesson on the virtue of meek, prostrate, and total compliance.

For example, after 12-year old Tamir Rice was left to bleed to death by cops after one shot him upon seeing a toy gun, a police union rep sputtered on MSNBC: “How about this? Listen to police officers commands, listen to what we tell you, and just stop,” neglecting the fact that video evidence proved that the boy didn’t have time to follow any commands.

And after the Michael Brown shooting, a veteran cop wrote in The Washington Post:

“Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you.”...(insert)

The Virtue of Defiance ? Dan Sanchez
 
For example, after 12-year old Tamir Rice was left to bleed to death by cops after one shot him upon seeing a toy gun

Its a small thing I know but it is worth mentioning that the gun the kid had was not a toy gun, it was a real metal replica gun and something no kid should ever have. It was not a toy that you could buy in any store.

The most interesting thing to me about that case and a few others in Ohio is the fact that Ohio is an open carry state.
 
Its a small thing I know but it is worth mentioning that the gun the kid had was not a toy gun, it was a real metal replica gun and something no kid should ever have. It was not a toy that you could buy in any store.

The most interesting thing to me about that case and a few others in Ohio is the fact that Ohio is an open carry state.

No small detail there, very relevant. IIRC did it not originally have a red/orange barrel cap from the factory delineating its toy status, which had been removed prior to his shooting?
 
Lone demonstrator keeps 24-hour vigil for LaVoy Finicum | St George News

I want to thank the employees of the BLM St George office for allowing me the opportunity to exercise my 1st amendment right. I enjoyed visiting with those of you who came out and visited with me and made sure I had water, and also the employee who offered to get me lunch. Spending time speaking with you, showed me that you are reasonable men and women, who love this country and actually want what’s best for her. I told you I would not encourage anyone to stay and protest and I would make sure it did not get unruly, and I was true to my word. As well, I told you I would lay my life down to protect you, and I meant what I said, and that oath will never be broken.

I swore an oath to defend this nation against all enemies foreign and domestic, I meant it then and I still stand by it. I will not live in rebellion, and I will not encourage anyone else to engage in rebellion.
I want to thank all the people who stopped by to visit and talk with me and those who brought me hand warmers, and food and drink. I was overwhelmed by your love and support. I especially want to thank the woman who hugged me when I really needed it, I will never forget you kindness.

I also want to thank those who stopped by in opposition, believing that my protest was something other than it was, and left in agreement when they understood my position. Listening to your positions on the public lands was definitely worth my time and helped me to understand your position, in particular that the lands would be destroyed, mismanaged, and that corporations would destroy our wonderful and beautiful country here in Southern Utah without the BLM.

Nevertheless, I believe in local rule and I believe that government that is local does the best job, because it easier to protest their actions and depose them if they fail to listen to the electorate. I do not agree that state control of the public lands would destroy them, and in fact, I believe that state management would meet the needs of all interested parties, far better than control from Washington, thousands of miles away.

Destruction of our lands is not something I want, and in fact, I have organized cleanups of the public lands for several years. My wife and I have organized the cleanup of wild cat dumps on the Arizona strip, and to date, we have picked up over a 100 tons’ of trash, and I hope we can work together with the BLM on this project again this year.

As well, I want to thank the family members of the Lavoy Finicum who came out and shared a bit of the family history with me. I was blessed by meeting all of you. My life and understanding of Lavoy is better for it. I am truly sorry for your trouble and I mourn with you your family. You are the salt of earth.

Finally, my position is, and will continue to be, that their needs to be an independent investigation into the shooting of Lavoy. I believe this investigation should include neutral parties with the experience in investigation to look at all the facts that led up to the shooting. As well the investigation team should look into how this type of violence can be avoided in the future, but still allow citizens to exercise their rights. This event started well before the road block, and I believe it could have been avoided.

While I was there, I was asked by member of federal law enforcement if I thought an independent investigation would help settle things down, that is if it would be accepted. My response was that I did not know and I needed to think about it. I still do not know, but after careful deliberation I can say that failure to do so will definitely heat things up.

As well, I think that if the investigation presents methods to avoid this type of bloodshed in the future, the public, the radical left, and the radical right, will all see that progress, and perhaps, that hope will settle things down.

This is opportunity to change the way we do things, let’s not miss it.

I absolutely believe there could have been a resolution that did not end in bloodshed and believe as Americans we owe it to ourselves to seek out better solutions, so that next time we can avoid the death of anyone, even those we disagree with, even those we love to hate.

Please sign the petition here: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...deral-agents-january-27-2016-united-states-ag
 
Is that a lifted 3rd gen?

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Media wait at a checkpoint about 4 miles from the Malheur Wildlife Refuge Headquarters near Burns, Oregon, on February 11, 2016. The FBI surrounded the last protesters holed up at a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon amid reports they will surrender on Thursday, suggesting the weeks-long armed siege is approaching a climax. / AFP / Rob Kerr
http://www.gettyimages.com/galleries/photographers/rob_kerr
 
For example, after 12-year old Tamir Rice was left to bleed to death by cops after one shot him upon seeing a toy gun

No small detail there, very relevant. IIRC did it not originally have a red/orange barrel cap from the factory delineating its toy status, which had been removed prior to his shooting?

No, what I'm saying is it was a replica gun. These are often found on movie sets and occasionally the hood. Did you ever see the movie Snatch?

It would be most like that scene "yours says replica, mine says Desert Eagle .50"

Anyways, these are not sold in toy stores. Street punks like them because they can be used to threaten people without the chance of a weapons charge when getting patted down.

All that said, the cop deserved to be fired. He literally pulled up and shot the kid with no warning. They could have approached from a distance, used the megaphone etc.

Ohio is an open carry state. The cops should not be able to just pull up and f#cking kill you within 5 seconds then walk away Scott free.

Tamire Rice is a unique case. The cop is question had already been fired from another police department the year before.
 
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I remember walking around town with my BB gun as a 12 year old. Cops smiled and waved. That's another topic however.

Glad the armed occupation is over with only one justified death.
 
Being an open carry state doesn't mean you can legally brandish a firearm. It means you can wear it in a configuration where it isn't concealed. If you weren't there you can't know the exact circumstance of the shooting. Relying on what Tamir'S family says is not pertinent. If the responding officer perceived a man (he was as big as a man by the way), pointing a firearm there is no legal requirement to let the man with the gun shoot first. This week five officers tried that and they are all dead. Under US Dept of Justice rules there is no requirement to give a verbal warning either. You can give a verbal warning if it is feasible to do so. But if it means the shooter can get off the first shot no warning is required. Bet Obama and his shill Atty General don't even know that. When they find out he will change the rules to let any black shooter take the first shot at the police.
 
Being an open carry state doesn't mean you can legally brandish a firearm. It means you can wear it in a configuration where it isn't concealed

Actually it varies from state to state and in Ohio there is no written code, at least according to several forums on this subject, requiring an open carry individual to wear the gun in a holster.

Brandishing is waving the gun in a menacing way and pointing it at someone.

It's confusing but mearely holding a gun in your hand is not a violation and certainly not cause for the police to just shoot you within five seconds (in this case two) with no verbal warning.

Also it isn't about what the family says. The police dept released the video. It is no secret.

https://youtu.be/mSCftESyKyU

I think at this point it is fair to say some of these laws are unclear and should be clarified.
 
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Actually it varies from state to state and in Ohio there is no written code, at least according to several forums on this subject, requiring an open carry individual to wear the gun in a holster.

Brandishing is waving the gun in a menacing way and pointing it at someone.

It's confusing but mearely holding a gun in your hand is not a violation and certainly not cause for the police to just shoot you within five seconds (in this case two) with no verbal warning.

Also it isn't about what the family says. The police dept released the video. It is no secret.

https://youtu.be/mSCftESyKyU

I think at this point it is fair to say some of these laws are unclear and should be clarified.

The reality is in most cases where an officer shoots a person with a gun, even a lawful gun, the officer is going to walk.

This includes swat raids on the wrong house, or warrantless, unlawful raids, on innocent persons homes.

In the two cases above, I know the officers were reprimanded for violating the law, and internal department rules, but not for the murder of a home owner who just happened to have a gun nearby when the morons raided the wrong place...owning a gun can be, and often is grounds for the death penalty in the eyes of LE.

LE know, that all they have to say, "is he was reaching for a gun", and the mindless masses will all in one accord shout, hear, hear, it a justified shooting...the ******* should have immediately prostrated himself and submitted to every command. Its all on him, I saw the video...even when there is no evidence of any gun, in any video, anywhere...
 
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