ProspectiveBuyer
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Do you know why? Was it the cheap interior? It does look cheap overall, and the resale value must be a lot lower than a 4Runner.
Must decide: Toyota 4Runner vs Highlander
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Do you know why? Was it the cheap interior? It does look cheap overall, and the resale value must be a lot lower than a 4Runner.
nevada
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while they technically may be, they really aren't even in the same class as a 4runner.
Just sold my BRZ, getting ready to buy a 2015 WRX as my daily driver and keep my T4R as a backup vehicle so I feel your want for a WRX, they are awesome and a pretty cheap cost to value ratio.
But...if you want capability get the T4R, but in return you will sacrifice the nicer road manners to the Highlander. Also the Highlander has more room all around, nicer dash layout, quiet, street friendly. I'd call it mainstream user friendly which will bode well with your spouse. Best wishes with whatever you decide on. Remember... happy wife, happy life.
badhabits
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A little bit of all of what you said, but the main reason Is that I know of 2 that have rolled over when they really should not have. Test drive one if your serious but I think that you will find out that the Xterra is not really worth buying when compared to a Toyota for quality and resale.
There is no hope for you... lol
Honestly what does your wife drive now, and whose vehicle will this be 90% of the time?
KidVermicious
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Definitely not. They don't have the same "appointments", and they're smaller. I wish they weren't made by Nissan, because they're almost exactly what I'd look for in a new SUV.
But Nissan sucks donkey balls.
Jernik
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We considered a new Pro-4X when we were looking. Decided on the 4Runner for several reasons:
1) Seats not as comfortable. Big negative since we have family 12+ hours away that we occasionally go visit. And we like road trips too.
2) Entry to back seat is very narrow. Difficult when our aging parents visit and we need to chauffeur.
3) Less cargo area for trips. Less room in backseat for passengers.
4) I did read Nissan forums, and found the previous gen tended to have more issues. The overall opinion of reliability with Toyota (based on what I read in Toyota forums for Toyotas, and what I read on Nissan forums for Xterras) was significantly better than the Nissan.
5) 4Runner could be had with a sunroof. Not an option on any Xterra.
I will admit, if I were single and didn't care about passengers, and wanted a cheap offroad SUV, the Pro-4X would be a contender. I did like the throttle response that engine had (pretty similar to 4R, IIRC) and the handling for a narrow, top heavy BOF SUV wasn't that bad. It was a fun little ute on the test drive. I kinda liked the look of it too. But in the end, the 4R won out, and we've been very happy with that decision. Absolutely no regrets.
ProspectiveBuyer
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OK, I'm ready to buy!
What do you guy think?
New 2015 Toyota 4Runner SR5 SUV in San Bruno, CA near 94066 | JTEBU5JR5F5210785 | Auto.com
The invoice for a bare-bones SR5 4WD is ~ $32,000. Should I expect to pay more than that?
What do you guy think?
New 2015 Toyota 4Runner SR5 SUV in San Bruno, CA near 94066 | JTEBU5JR5F5210785 | Auto.com
The invoice for a bare-bones SR5 4WD is ~ $32,000. Should I expect to pay more than that?
meRockboost
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Nissan is the Japanese Chrysler. Have fun with a crap vehicle. I will never own a Nissan again. Fun facts: axle seal issues, timing chain guide issues, radiator/trans cooler issue, torque converter issues. All to be expected before 100k. I traded in an 05 pathfinder for the 4Runner because I had to replace the torque converter the day my wife picked it up from the dealer and the timing chain guides were shot and noisy. POS.
badhabits
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I never heard it put just like this, but its true.
Funny how I test drove a 2015 Highlander and CX-9 this weekend.
We are ending up with the CX-9 because let's face it, neither are worth a dam "offroad" so we are going with the one that drives like a car and has way more options for much less money. The handling on the CX-9 was pretty impressive and we even ripped it off the line on an icy side street and the thing just squatted and went.
We are ending up with the CX-9 because let's face it, neither are worth a dam "offroad" so we are going with the one that drives like a car and has way more options for much less money. The handling on the CX-9 was pretty impressive and we even ripped it off the line on an icy side street and the thing just squatted and went.
philsey
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"Invoice" is a totally nebulous term. It implies what the dealer's cost is, but in fact that number is complicated and very closely guarded. My rule of thumb is based on msrp: 5% off is about average, 10% off is very good.
Noone here knows what you can expect. It varies dealer-to-dealer, and with your timing and negotiating skills.
NoDak
Senior Member
to follow that quote, the dealer cost from my dealings with my dealer, only the owner will know the real cost and is tightly guarded.
I got 3k off sticker of $45620 (that was the final price with options listed below) and I was happy, the new car general manager was happy and the salesman was happy. my dealer is a "Best Price" dealer and makes money off volume not profit per sale.
they make more money selling more vehicles than trying to gouge as much as they can per vehicle.
they switched tactics back in the 90's and haven't had any issue making money. hell they moved twice due to not having enough space and within the last year they updated/upgraded the whole dealership.
there are still dealers in the state that are still haggle type, but I don't have time to waste 5+ hours to get another 1k off the price and out of town.
ymmv
Jernik
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I get the bad taste after having a "bad one". We bought a new Grand Prix back in 99. That thing was a total POS. Drive train was fine, but the rest of the car fell apart around it. Windshield leaked, power window failed, radio quit, HVAC was making some noise they could never find, the tape holding the spoiler/side cladding squished out from it and looked like crap. We went through at least a half dozen driver side fog light bulbs. I'm sure there's something else I missed. All was covered under warranty, but we dumped it before warranty ran out. Never bought another GM, although plenty of people never have problems with them. Our first GM car was problem free (the GP was our 2nd).
Contrary to popular opinion, we've since had 5 Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep vehicles, and none of them ever had any issues.
Our Honda was cursed. Tornado dropped a tree on it a month after we got it. 6 months later, a dog ran out in front of me, tearing up the front facia. A year after that, some doofus ran a stop sign and mashed in the driver side rear quarter panel. After that, I got rid of it. Worst luck I ever had with a car.
So far the wife's Infiniti is doing fine. It's technically a Nissan, so I'll be anxiously awaiting the wheels to fall off any day now.
out::focus: Restating, we've been very happy with the 4Runner so far, and no regrets choosing it over the Xterra (or any other SUV on the market).
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meRockboost
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Our first pathfinder was fine, sold it 2 years later for what we got it for. The second Nissan was cursed.
I still say Nissan is the Japanese Chrysler, it'll be hit or miss. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I still say Nissan is the Japanese Chrysler, it'll be hit or miss. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
ProspectiveBuyer
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OK, i test-drove a SR5 Premium. It is a MONSTER! There is noticeable lag in both acceleration and braking. The suspension is very spongy, the nose dips when you brake, and the car leans over when you corner. It reminds me of the F150 I once rented. But somehow I like it, its way more appealing than a crossover. Still, I would stiffen the suspension and get rid of the automatic. That would make it a perfect truck.
03_4x4Runner
Senior Member
Test drive a Limited. The suspension is stiff with no brake dive.
NoDak
Senior Member
push the gas pedal more, pedal travel is setup to save gas in the first 1/3 of travel.
brake is consersative the first 1/4 to 1/3 travel, you should try out a Tacoma brakes, they are touchy as hell.
spongy suspension is geared to soaking up bumps.
if you don't want an auto, go somewhere else, not going to happen on a 4runner.
