National gas tax hike talk is back, or "Tax-by-mile" driven.
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Deuxdiesel
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Based on 18.4 cents per gallon, I pay roughly $116 per year in gas taxes (12,000 miles, 19 MPG=631 gallons, 631 x .184 = 116-ish). If it doubled to .36 per gallon, I would pay $227 a year. $111 a year. Perspective please.
Big Daddy K
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Who the hell gets 19mpg..? Rollin more like 14-15 lol
Deuxdiesel
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It's those E rated doughnuts you are running for sure.
Nobody Special
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Wow. ONLY 18 cents per gallon at an astounding 19 MPG?
Up to $0.46 in NY and $0.51 in NJ.
When fuel was $4.50+ I was paying ~$90 to fill 20 gallons every 4 days.
When fuel was just $1.99 months back, I was paying ~$40 for 20 gallons every four days.
(Comes out to about $2,000/yr more for one vehicle.)
Say $460 in taxes alone, not just the fuel prices surging.
Some of the more efficient stuff I have see over 30k/yr.
Your math says you drive about 33 miles per day @ 12k miles/356 days.
Perspective?
But, If it happens, it happens. People drive less and there is less traffic. :nod:
Deuxdiesel
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Yes, perspective, which from mine says that it won't be a huge deal for me or my wife (drives a GTI 15K a year at 30-32 MPG). For others it may be a much bigger deal, which is understandable. If I had to drive 30K a year, it wouldn't be in a 4Runner. For me, paying $18K a year for health insurance and 25-28% income tax is a much bigger issue. Again, it's all about perspective.
eddielasvegas
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So you're good with a 100% increase of this tax? You should not be.
What are you going to do when they (and you know who they are) decide to raise your income tax by 20% or 30% or 50%? Or maybe start with other tax increases so people will follow your idea?
Indifference to to such a large increase will put you a road to nowhere real fast.
Eddie
What are you going to do when they (and you know who they are) decide to raise your income tax by 20% or 30% or 50%? Or maybe start with other tax increases so people will follow your idea?
Indifference to to such a large increase will put you a road to nowhere real fast.
Eddie
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Nobody Special
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Tax his land, tax his wage,
Tax his bed in which he lays.
Tax his tractor, tax his mule,
Teach him taxes is the rule.
Tax his cow, tax his goat,
Tax his pants, tax his coat.
Tax his ties, tax his shirts,
Tax his work, tax his dirt.
Tax his chew, tax his smoke,
Teach him taxes are no joke.
Tax his car, tax his grass,
Tax the roads he must pass.
Tax his food, tax his drink,
Tax him if he tries to think.
Tax his sodas, tax his beers,
If he cries, tax his tears.
Tax his bills, tax his gas,
Tax his notes, tax his cash.
Tax him good and let him know
That after taxes, he has no dough.
If he hollers, tax him more,
Tax him until he’s good and sore.
Tax his coffin, tax his grave,
Tax the sod in which he lays.
Put these words upon his tomb,
"Taxes drove me to my doom!"
And when he’s gone, we won’t relax,
We’ll still be after the inheritance tax.
The Tax Poem by Author Unknown - Your Daily Poem
Tax his bed in which he lays.
Tax his tractor, tax his mule,
Teach him taxes is the rule.
Tax his cow, tax his goat,
Tax his pants, tax his coat.
Tax his ties, tax his shirts,
Tax his work, tax his dirt.
Tax his chew, tax his smoke,
Teach him taxes are no joke.
Tax his car, tax his grass,
Tax the roads he must pass.
Tax his food, tax his drink,
Tax him if he tries to think.
Tax his sodas, tax his beers,
If he cries, tax his tears.
Tax his bills, tax his gas,
Tax his notes, tax his cash.
Tax him good and let him know
That after taxes, he has no dough.
If he hollers, tax him more,
Tax him until he’s good and sore.
Tax his coffin, tax his grave,
Tax the sod in which he lays.
Put these words upon his tomb,
"Taxes drove me to my doom!"
And when he’s gone, we won’t relax,
We’ll still be after the inheritance tax.
The Tax Poem by Author Unknown - Your Daily Poem
RandyDaytona
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They already did. That awesome new tax "reform" that benefitted corporations and rich people has me paying another $2-3k in taxes every year.
And I'm not wealthy by any stretch.
Taxes serve a purpose. But what's screwed up is who ends up paying the bulk of them. A hint: it's NOT the people who can afford to make big campaign contributions.
And speaking of those kinds of people...
In a former lifetime, I used to work immigration violations. A border "wall" stopping illegal immigration is a promise almost as empty as shampoo that miraculously grows hair on bald men, or an email from an attorney in Nigeria who can make you rich if you help him out with a "small processing fee ." .
It's a promise used by xenophobic politicians to folks who don't know any better.
Illegal immigration will continue as long as there are jobs for the illegals. And there will always be jobs when there are little or no consequences for the people who pay them. Why are there no consequences, you ask?
Excellent question. Because the CEO's, business owners, and wealthy stockholders make big campaign donations. And those they contribute money to end up putting political weight on the agencies charged with enforcing the law.
The way it used to work (and it's similar now, but the agency names and some of the terminology are different) was simple. If too many illegals start crossing and maybe there are a few high-profile crimes in the news, the political talking heads will tell us all that they're going to "get tough" on illegals and will tell the agencies to start hitting the meat plants, factories, etc. Then, when we started taking away their labor (even though it was always temporary), the companies start whining and the reins are pulled back.
I actually saw this happen: the INS investigations office in Bloomington, MN was in a big building with multiple tenants (not the federal building). There was a company contracted by building management to do the cleaning at night. It usually ended up that some of their employees were illegal. When the agency was told to "get tough," they'd round up people from their own building's cleaning crew. Otherwise, they let them be. It wasn't the law that dictated whether or not the cleaning guy could stay and work. It was politics. And while the owner of the cleaning company was probably not the kind of guy to have any influence, you can imagine the kinds of influence that DID come into play when you have politically-induced selective enforcement of the law (or don't) across the entire country.
So the only consequences were for the illegals, themselves. They got sent back, but were not criminally prosecuted or even "deported," per se. They were "Voluntarily Returned." By agreeing to go home on Uncle Sam's dime, they avoided criminal liability.
And they were back inside a month, anyway. If you want to make an illegal immigrant's day, arrest him inside the Hormel meat plant where he's working - in Minnesota, and in February - and tell him he's getting a free plane ride back to Mexico or Central America. A little vacation in the sun and, once he can feel his toes again, he's back.
So the entire "build a wall" campaign promise was probably the dumbest one I've seen in my lifetime.
Can there be some kind of a rebate for driving an older vehicle? Reason being that you are not contributing to the environmental cost of putting one in a junk yard and creating a new one. I think the value of that is rarely, if ever, taken into consideration.
Sure, auto manufacturers and the supply chain upstream do not benefit but if the cause is truly for the environment, why can't we attack from another angle?
Sure, auto manufacturers and the supply chain upstream do not benefit but if the cause is truly for the environment, why can't we attack from another angle?
I've always said that the USA should open borders to anyone, just do not allow any form of govt assistance or voting rights to them until they go through the citizenship process. Enforce ID's, if they are not forced to work under the table, companies can't get rich by artifically pushing wages down for citizens. It creates the even playing field sought after by political gasbags.
toyoman25
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:rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon:
This is actually how it used to be, and it worked fine. Mexican citizens around boarder states would come into the US and sell goods or work for the day or week then go back across to their families. It wasn't a big deal. Everyone benefitted.
Then a politician, can't remember his name - I'm recalling all this from a podcast, saw an opportunity to make immigration a political issue sometime in the 80s and now here we are. People whose lives are not affected in the least think this is a huge issue. It's not. The amount of illegal immigration hasn't really fluctuated (1% increase in terms of % of population in 20 years). What has happened is that the people that get in are terrified to leave b/c they may never get back so you only have an ingress when before it was a flow back and forth, which naturally drives up the percentage.
But yeah, lets spend billons on a wall b/c Mexicans don't have ladders and shovels.
BlackCloud
Member
How would they track miles driven to tax you? Would they have an IRS agent look at your car every year or would this be based on the honor system, like every other utopian fallacy? No way should the fed track our actual vehicles. That would mean they could find us at any given moment.
ElectroBoy
Banned
Voluntary self reporting. My insurance company already sends out a questionnaire each year for the amount of miles driven and odometer reading. I suppose you could fudge your numbers and keep track of it every year to keep your story believable. But who knows what info is really available to authorities via your on-star or other internet connected car services.
thennen
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I don’t think I’ll ever understand why someone would be for paying additional taxes. They get enough from us as it is. Why always more, more, more? At least we got a bit of a break on income taxes for a few years. As for tax by mile, I think that’s because electric cars don’t use fuel. Gotta tax them somehow, right? Maybe tax electricity once there are enough EVs.
Its called...THE FLEECING OF AMERICA
Deuxdiesel
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Fleecing for sure- corporate tax breaks, stupid walls, bloated military.
JPGood
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I think sometime in the past they suggested that the Government would buy older cars to force people to buy new and improved milage versions.
The per mile tax was opposed buy the "greenies" when it was proposed before because they bought their rechargeable vehicles to avoid the gas tax and thought it was unfair that they be taxed.
