New power plant?

[itr1275]

Yah, it's like there is no real differentiator between the lot of cute utes. I get the highlander/RX deal or the Rav-4/NX. Family vs luxury, but why muddy the mix when the Rav-4 is soooo huge now anyway.

2021 Toyota Venza | Toyota Official Site

Why not just buy the Lexus? Sometimes too many choices is not a good thing. People get confused and go buy a Honda, because it come with everything and you pick the color.

 

[Jetboy]

Imagine if the Venza looked this good? Something really different from the RAV.

 

[itr1275]

Imagine if the Venza looked this good? Something really different from the RAV.

Umph. I threw up a little in my mouth. What planet did that come from?

 

[Steamfitter]

People buy 4runners because they DON'T want a vehicle that is following the current trends. 4Runner has been refusing to change for years, and is selling better than ever.

Aging Toyota 4Runner is more popular than ever | The Spokesman-Review

Stupid auto journalists are going to hate on toyota no matter what, there is no sense in trying to appease them.

I don't want a turbo engine in a 4runner, there are lots of other options out there if this is what appeals to you. If you want fuel economy, you won't be buying a BOF SUV to begin with, so whats the point in changing the most important mechanical component?

 

[CajunMikeR]

screw all the hybrid stuff...give me a 4cyl turbo diesel with a 6spd transmission (auto or manual).

 

[Jetboy]

Umph. I threw up a little in my mouth. What planet did that come from?

Apparently that is the concept that will become a new Lexus model. Rumor is that it's going to be more like $200k range topping SUV to slot above the LX. Supposedly it'll be called "LQ". Both LX and this model would both get twin turbo v8/hybrid power trains with over 600hp. Probably more like Urus territory. It's rare that Toyota ever builds a concept that doesn't become a model. So I fully expect this to become a production model. Rumors are 2022 release, so still a bit out.

I like it - not as a truck type SUV, but as a new luxury sedan. Sedans are dead. So if you're thinking of something like a BMW 7 series or LS, but in a more modern form factor - this is it IMO. I really like the design- as a luxury touring car.

 

[RichinRidgewood]

Im going to vote for a Turbo V6 going into the "new" 4Runner based on what Im reading here.

Toyota Poised to Kill Its V-8s, Replace Them With Turbo V-6s Within Three Years - The Drive

 

[CO-Cygnus]

Im going to vote for a Turbo V6 going into the "new" 4Runner based on what Im reading here.

Toyota Poised to Kill Its V-8s, Replace Them With Turbo V-6s Within Three Years - The Drive

Yeah, that'd be nice but knowing Toyota they will want to leave a reason to 'Upgrade' to a Sequoia or GX and stick the 4R with a detuned Camry engine.

 

[Deuxdiesel]

People buy 4runners because they DON'T want a vehicle that is following the current trends. 4Runner has been refusing to change for years, and is selling better than ever.

Aging Toyota 4Runner is more popular than ever | The Spokesman-Review

Stupid auto journalists are going to hate on toyota no matter what, there is no sense in trying to appease them.

I don't want a turbo engine in a 4runner, there are lots of other options out there if this is what appeals to you. If you want fuel economy, you won't be buying a BOF SUV to begin with, so whats the point in changing the most important mechanical component?[/QUOTE

QFT

 

[02SE]

The 1GR is a fine engine. It was top of class when it was introduced in 2002. In 2020 - it's not so competitive anymore. The 3rd gen 4Runner was still on sale and came with a cassette tape deck when the 1GR first started selling in Toyota models. It's a very reliable engine. But it's past time for an update to something with a much wider range of efficient power output.

I mentioned previously in this thread that the 1GR in the 5th gen 4Runner, has essentially only displacement in common with the 1GR that was introduced in 2002. You agreed.

It HAS had significant updates since 2002.

It would be fair to say it's remained essentially the same since the current 1GR appeared in the '10 5th gen.

 

[diverscale]

you can be sure that if it is hybrid, I won't be a buyer. I don't want added complexity to a 4runner, and I want to be able to work on it myself.

Also, when that battery will have lost half its capacity, you'll pay the value of the truck to replace it. nope.

 

[mscot]

Also, when that battery will have lost half its capacity, you'll pay the value of the truck to replace it. nope.

Unless you keep vehicles for longer than 10 years, that shouldn't be an issue with their hybrid warranty.

The bottom line is that Toyota is losing sales b/c of the power plants in the taco and 4R (as an example, a friend walked away from Toyota on Friday after talking about a taco for two years before finally test driving one).

They'll have to do something to give these vehicles more torque while also meeting regulations.
A hybrid option may not be for you. But it will be for most.

Personally I'd rather have an efficient V8 or a diesel V6 as well.

Out of curiosity, what work do you do on a 5th gen besides changing fluids?

 

[Jayhawk5G]

you can be sure that if it is hybrid, I won't be a buyer. I don't want added complexity to a 4runner, and I want to be able to work on it myself.

Also, when that battery will have lost half its capacity, you'll pay the value of the truck to replace it. nope.

With the direction Tesla has taken the industry with both Ford and GM bringing fully electric vehicles to market, if you think ten years from now that battery replacement will be cost restrictive I'm going to have to disagree.

Tesla is rumored to be getting close to 400 wh/kg, which is close to a doubling of the Model 3's 250 wh/kg. The batteries are getting better and cheaper as time moves on...

You should also look up the actual use and replacement on Tesla's used to taxi between LA and Las Vegas.... the capacity was minimally reduced at 300k, and the batteries are really supposed to be viable for a million miles. I say that because I have also heard multiple reports from multiple sources the Toyota Hybrid battery really has a life of 300k, likely more at reduced capacity.

 

[Satter]

I’d rather take an underpowered engine that lasts hundreds of thousands of miles over one that doesn’t.

 

[CO-Cygnus]

I’d rather take an underpowered engine that lasts hundreds of thousands of miles over one that doesn’t.

Underpowered <> Reliable, that's the issue.

 

[fashorunner]

Do people actually think there's even a chance toyota would put a V8 in the 6g? Folks on here sound a lot like the Bronco forum, pining for a V8. (From an enthusiast standpoint I get it, trust me.) They just seem to be a thing of the past outside of a car-based performance platform. I thought I even read that the Coyote assembly line was down to one shift now?

And I get all the hate for the ecoboost platform, but Ford has also been at it for over 10 years now—don't people here think Toyota can develop a reliable, powerful forced induction engine for its trucks and SUVs that would bump the fuel economy up across its entire line?

 

[RichinRidgewood]

I understand that there is a new Toyota V6 turbo on the way. There has been a write up on the factory they will be built at etc. I also read that there is a 4 cylinder turbo on the way without any information to support it.
Honda is giving their new MDX a 4 turbo. It used to be a V6 NA. They did the same thing for their TLX. 2.0 liter 278 hp 280 ft/lbs torque. A turbo V6 will be available as an option.
I think Toyota will probably go that route with a 4 cylinder turbo.

 

[Jetboy]

Do people actually think there's even a chance toyota would put a V8 in the 6g? Folks on here sound a lot like the Bronco forum, pining for a V8. (From an enthusiast standpoint I get it, trust me.) They just seem to be a thing of the past outside of a car-based performance platform. I thought I even read that the Coyote assembly line was down to one shift now?

And I get all the hate for the ecoboost platform, but Ford has also been at it for over 10 years now—don't people here think Toyota can develop a reliable, powerful forced induction engine for its trucks and SUVs that would bump the fuel economy up across its entire line?

I'd say there is practically zero possibility of a v8 6th gen. All indications are that Toyota/Lexus will eliminate all v8s for cars under $100-150k. Rumors all seem to point to the only v8s remaining to be in turbo form and put in very expensive Lexus models.

Everything BOF in the Toyota lineup will supposedly move to either a v6 turbo, NA V6 + hybrid, 4cyl turbo, or NA 4cyl + hybrid. That includes the diesel options that will be moved down from the v8 1VD to a new V6 Turbo diesel and a 4cyl turbo diesel hybrid model.

What's unfortunate is that in actual real world tow tests the Ford 5.0 v8 gets about 20% better mileage than either of the 2.7 or 3.5 EB engines. Under load the turbo engines are not very fuel efficient.

For the 4Runner - I'd love to have a small v6 turbo or NA6 turbo/hybrid. Not sure either one is going to happen though. My $ is on a NA v6 or a small turbo 4. But in a better world - a 3 liter turbo I6 would be my ideal choice of engine for a next gen 4Runner.

 

[DirtyHarry]

There are very few unibody off road vehicles (with a 4Lo transfer case) for a many reasons. The only one I think might have 4lo is the VW Touareg?

Cherokee and Grand Cherokee too, I think. I believe the Cherokee Trailhawk is the only unibody with a rear locker as far as I know.

 

[Jetboy]

Historically there's a number of unibody vehicles with low range. Subaru still makes some - but not in the USA market. VW made the Kubelwagen and Schwimmenwagen. AMG of course made the HMMVW and variants. Toyota made the Mega Cruiser. I think some Suzuki models had low range. Also the Grand Vitarra. Kia Sorrento had a low range IIRC. I think the new Jimney has low range and is unibody. I'm sure there are many others I can't think of right now or even don't know of. Oh - lots of land rover models are unibody with 2 speed transfer cases.

So it's not unheard of. But also there's really no reason to have it anymore with transmissions that can have 5 or 6:1 first gears and 0.4-0.5:1 overdrives.