New SR5 vs TRD off road vs Jeep Unlimited

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So our family just moved to Colorado a few months ago. Our family is in dire need of a second vehicle. (me, wife, 3 kids) I am determined to get a vehicle that will allow us to do the many jeep trails in this great state. I have always wanted a jeep but my wife and I made the mistake of test driving a 4runner a while back. IN LOVE! so here goes:

1. New SR5: upgrade rims, tires, suspension, lift and some grinding bars, possible Baja Rack

2. New TRD Off Road: stock...would mod eventually

3. Jeep Unlimited Rubicon: seems ready out of the box....reliability?????

Does anyone have any advice concerning the off road potential. Pros cons. Does the TRD Off Road really offer that much more????

Thanks guys....hoping to make a decision soon. Appreciate the help.

Looking forward to being a part of the community.
 
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I'll just straight up tell you that I'm a bit biased, as are most users here, but I'm going to say go for the Off Road. Buy once, cry once.

The added locker plus the offroad electronics are very much worth it. Each of those features have gotten me out of some sticky situations. While I could have probably gotten by without them I was happy they were there when I needed them.

That said, you need to be honest with yourself and ask what kind of trails do you want to explore?

If you're just going to be on groomed forest roads to get to the trail head any of those options are going to work. If you're looking to do a bit more exploring/challenging trails then the added features may be of value to you.

Another thing to consider is that the SR5 and the Offroad have part time 4wd as do many of the Wranglers. In the snow this can be a bit tricky to manage due to needing to manage your transfer case depending on road conditions. That said a Limited and the Wrangler Sahara have full time 4wd with a lockable center diff. That means there's a lot less thought that has to go into driving it in snowy conditions. Just some food for thought.

I haven't touched on comfort and liveabilty but I think the difference there is pretty obvious. That said though the new JL wrangler is supposed to be a big step up from the JK.

Despite that I'd still go with the 4runner just for daily drivability and being more than capable enough for my needs.
 
So.....

Terrain-here in Colorado, probably a lot of dirt roads/trails....I would love to be able to drive the few hours to Moab and do a few trails....I am not a huge fan of Rock Crawling....But if I would rather have too much than too little

I figured the drivability and comfort level of the 4runner will destroy the jeep...I took my wife to drive a jeep and she hated it.


How exactly does the part time 4 wheel drive work...is it similar to an all wheel drive? Do you have to change your 4 wheel drive settings or just be extra careful in 2H? I will have to research that a little.

thanks for the help
 
I looked at the Jeeps recently when deciding what to buy (JK/JL) and I just couldn't get myself to pull the trigger. I love them and found myself trying to rationalize every bit about them but I knew deep down that I would get tired of daily driving one. The new JL's are a huge improvement from a comfort/electronics standpoint and one that I wish Toyota would take after however.

The 4Runner is great as a daily driver (albeit not the fastest thing on the road) while still being plenty capable off road for those weekend adventures. I ended up pulling the trigger on a TRD ORP and haven't thought twice about the decision.
 
So.....

Terrain-here in Colorado, probably a lot of dirt roads/trails....I would love to be able to drive the few hours to Moab and do a few trails....I am not a huge fan of Rock Crawling....But if I would rather have too much than too little

I figured the drivability and comfort level of the 4runner will destroy the jeep...I took my wife to drive a jeep and she hated it.


How exactly does the part time 4 wheel drive work...is it similar to an all wheel drive? Do you have to change your 4 wheel drive settings or just be extra careful in 2H? I will have to research that a little.

thanks for the help

Yeah the terrain here is a good mix of rocks and dirt roads. The biggest thing I find is that the ruts in the trails here can lead to situations where your suspension is totally flexed out. When this happens and you lift a wheel off the ground all the power goes to that wheel (Open Differentials) and you stop going forward. That's where the rear locker and ATRAC/Crawl Control can be immensely helpful.

I also recently went to Moab and again the locker came in handy for many of the trails up there. You'll be going up a steep rock, one of the back tires drops into a rut and you lose traction. Without the locker you're going to have to use more momentum or pick a different line. With the locker you can just continue crawling up.

My father has a JK so I can directly compare drivability. There's no comparison. The 4runner is definitely the car I'd rather be in for longer trips. That said the Jeep has a 'fun' factor while driving it that the 4runner lacks.

As far as part time 4wd goes... because the center differential is locked when you engage 4wd the front and back wheels need to turn at the same speed. This is a problem on dry pavement while taking a turn. The front wheels want to spin at different speeds in comparison to the back wheels, and because the front and back wheels are locked together, this causes binding in the differentials. On dirt or a slick surface 4wd isn't an issue because the tires can just "skid" to help relieve any built up binding. On dry pavement there's typically too much traction to allow this to happen.

With that out of the way, in snowy conditions you can engage 4wd while moving at speeds up to 50mph. Faster than that and the transfer case syncro won't be able to handle the shift. In conditions where it's slushy with a mix of dry pavement this can quickly become a hassle due to constantly having to shift into and out 4wd depending on the conditions. Basically it's not as simple as just set it and go. This will be the case for any true part time 4wd system.

Granted I may be a bit anal about not wanting to bind up my transfer case or put extra wear on my tires but the above is the rule of thumb for 4wd operation.

The difference with AWD or fulltime 4x4 systems is that all the differentials are open so that wheel slip can happen. Again, the 4runner limited and the new JK Sahara have this AWD type system but with the added benefit of being able to Lock the center diff for more serious off-roading and a locked 50/50 power split.

Alright so before I write a novel I highly recommend doing a youtube search for how 4x4 systems work and how locking differentials work. I think that'll give you a good basis to help you understand how everything fits together.
 
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TRD Offroad factory rear locker is really nice.

However, OP has three kids. This kills the Jeep (any configuration) and the Toyota Offroad. Go SR5 with three row seats. Kids only get bigger. The TRD OR and Jeep will be traded in after a few years.

The Jeep Wrangler JK is not known for reliability. It looks like the new JL Wrangler uses the same 8spd auto from the Grand Cherokee. It's not the worst transmission in the Jeep lineup. That's a very low bar.
 
Yeah the terrain here is a good mix of rocks and dirt roads. The biggest thing I find is that the ruts in the trails here can lead to situations where your suspension is totally flexed out. When this happens and you lift a wheel off the ground all the power goes to that wheel (Open Differentials) and you stop going forward. That's where the rear locker and ATRAC/Crawl Control can be immensely helpful.

I also recently went to Moab and again the locker came in handy for many of the trails up there. You'll be going up a steep rock, one of the back tires drops into a rut and you lose traction. Without the locker you're going to have to use more momentum or pick a different line. With the locker you can just continue crawling up.

My father has a JK so I can directly compare drivability. There's no comparison. The 4runner is definitely the car I'd rather be in for longer trips. That said the Jeep has a 'fun' factor while driving it that the 4runner lacks.

As far as part time 4wd goes... because the center differential is locked when you engage 4wd the front and back wheels need to turn at the same speed. This is a problem on dry pavement while taking a turn. The front wheels want to spin at different speeds in comparison to the back wheels, and because the front and back wheels are locked together, this causes binding in the differentials. On dirt or a slick surface 4wd isn't an issue because the tires can just "skid" to help relieve any built up binding. On dry pavement there's typically too much traction to allow this to happen.

With that out of the way, in snowy conditions you can engage 4wd while moving at speeds up to 50mph. Faster than that and the transfer case syncro won't be able to handle the shift. In conditions where it's slushy with a mix of dry pavement this can quickly become a hassle due to constantly having to shift into and out 4wd depending on the conditions. Basically it's not as simple as just set it and go. This will be the case for any true part time 4wd system.

Granted I may be a bit anal about not wanting to bind up my transfer case or put extra wear on my tires but the above is the rule of thumb for 4wd operation.

The difference with AWD or fulltime 4x4 systems is that all the differentials are open so that wheel slip can happen. Again, the 4runner limited and the new JK Sahara have this AWD type system but with the added benefit of being able to Lock the center diff for more serious off-roading and a locked 50/50 power split.

Alright so before I write a novel I highly recommend doing a youtube search for how 4x4 systems work and how locking differentials work. I think that'll give you a good basis to help you understand how everything fits together.
What about driving through the mountains? Does your 4Runner have any trouble? I used to have an S10 Blazer and the V6 struggled at times driving through the Front Range.
 
What about driving through the mountains? Does your 4Runner have any trouble? I used to have an S10 Blazer and the V6 struggled at times driving through the Front Range.

My biggest gripe with my 4runner is its tendency to not be able to hold 5th gear while cruising on the highway. And I'm not talking about trying to make it up a 7% grade... I mean any little up hill and it'll pop down a gear. This is especially prevalent with cruise control engaged.

As for mountain driving, it's what you'd expect for a 5000lb suv. Again, it's going to need to shift a bunch. Also, because of the 5 speed transmission the gap between gears is bigger meaning you really feel the shifts when they do happen. I feel this could have been mitigated a bit with a closer ratio 6 speed. As far as power, once it finds the right gear it's fine and I've never not been able to keep pace with traffic or make a pass. Could it have more power? Sure... but I've never felt like I was underpowered, even when heading out to the ski resorts loaded up with 5 people and luggage up to the headliner in the back.

I've gotta say, despite its few short falls, the 4Runner is an amazing vehicle. I've had to adjust my driving style a bit coming from a low and relatively light Crosstrek. But now that I understand how the truck handles it's no big deal. The extra capability more than makes up for it.
 
Jeep is not what it used to be. Fact is, Jeep dominated the off road world for many, many years. Now, they're grocery getters. Yes the Wrangler still does very well off road but it's the last Jeep on the road. Even that is a stretch IMO since they gave it all the electronics and 4 doors. I have always owned Jeeps and still would IF Jeep hadn't lost it's way. I have zero regrets about buying my 4R and love just about everything about it. As far as needing a locker off road, that's total BS unless you're getting into some hairy stuff. I have never owned a vehicle with a locker other than my 2006 TJ Rubicon. I got stuck in the Rubicon once, even with 33" super swamper boggers and both axles locked. Deep mud is deep mud. Just know your limits and you'll do fine. BTW, that's the only time I ever got stuck, go figure, the one truck with boggers and lockers lol. Buy the 4R, SR5 or any other model, you'll be happy you did
 
So.....

Terrain-here in Colorado, probably a lot of dirt roads/trails....I would love to be able to drive the few hours to Moab and do a few trails....I am not a huge fan of Rock Crawling....But if I would rather have too much than too little

I figured the drivability and comfort level of the 4runner will destroy the jeep...I took my wife to drive a jeep and she hated it.


How exactly does the part time 4 wheel drive work...is it similar to an all wheel drive? Do you have to change your 4 wheel drive settings or just be extra careful in 2H? I will have to research that a little.

thanks for the help
Buddy, your wife already made the decision.. Go with what she wants, I can almost guarantee you won't regret it. And keep her around as well, she has good taste! Good luck on your purchase!

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My vote would be for 4runner.

I personally went with the limited to get more of the luxury features. I rented an SR5 from AVIS for a week in denver a year or so back. Drove it out to keystone and back and then around the city.

1st off - I like leather and its a requirement for me. mainly cleaning up kid messes.

I also wanted the full time 4wd. Here in northern VA we dont get a ton of snow but we can get enough to make AWD useful. Big problem is even when it snows and if its a big snow for us, the road conditions can vary greatly in short distances. dry, slushy, snow, ice etc. I didnt want to have to worry about managing the system.

After finally getting my 2014 4runner Limited last week and driving it home 375 miles, I was shocked at how well it handled on the road and took the turns. Im still kinda stunned by it. Way more planted ride then the SR5 I drove for a week last year. Read a thread that indicated the shorter sidewall tires may have a big impact on it. Not sure whether it's the 20 inch wheels, the xreas or both. I think when it's time to upgrade the tires and wheels Im going to stick with 20's to keep that same driving dynamic and just put more aggressive rubber on it.

I am new to offroading. I've driven a buddies jeep a couple of times on some trails. Nothing too intense, but Im pretty sure there wont be too many occasions where I will regret not having the rear locker or crawl control. And while pricy, I can always add a rear locker.

In all of my research on this forum I stumbled upon a thread that posted this video. As a mechanically inclined person who likes to torque a wrench on my own gear from time to time I found it awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESm0PPBkAQQ

It really helped to visualize and understand the difference between AWD and 4WD. It's a long watch though.
 
So our family just moved to Colorado a few months ago. Our family is in dire need of a second vehicle. (me, wife, 3 kids) I am determined to get a vehicle that will allow us to do the many jeep trails in this great state. I have always wanted a jeep but my wife and I made the mistake of test driving a 4runner a while back. IN LOVE! so here goes:

1. New SR5: upgrade rims, tires, suspension, lift and some grinding bars, possible Baja Rack

2. New TRD Off Road: stock...would mod eventually

3. Jeep Unlimited Rubicon: seems ready out of the box....reliability?????

Does anyone have any advice concerning the off road potential. Pros cons. Does the TRD Off Road really offer that much more????

Thanks guys....hoping to make a decision soon. Appreciate the help.

Looking forward to being a part of the community.

The guy at my dealership made a great point to me and said a lot of people upgrade a lot of the components on the truck like the suspension, wheels, tires and much more. Why buy an upgraded model just to take the stuff off and replace with new? I chose the SR5 so I could do all of that and not feel like I wasted money. But that is just me!
 
Wranglers are pretty amazing when I think about the purpose-built design and capability, and the amount of aftermarket support and customization available. I've never owned one, and have only recently driven a JKUR Sarhara on road (drives way better than I was anticipating). But they're all over the place on the beach and in the mountains around here.

We picked the 4Runner since to us it's a more commuter-friendly (including more interior space) yet more than capable enough for us offroader with expected high reliability and durability.
 
Took my stock 16' SR5 on the roughest terrain yesterday. As soon as we got off on the trails I was sure I should just turn around. Decided to just try and ascend what I could and turn around if it got too scary. Long story short this truck is super capable. I could see how if you plan on doing serious technical rock crawling, modification is necessary. The 4x4 trails we were on, were rated triple black diamond (whatever that means). Basically horribly rutted jeep trails with 45 degree angles, big rocks, sand and scree, the stock SR5 in 4 wheel Lo and a decent set of light truck tires will do more way than I need it to.

The hood scoop on the TRD looks pretty cool though.
 
SR5 w/ 3rd row is something to consider with a family of 5. We are a family of 3 and occasionally lug around a couple of friends. It always looks cramped in the back seat. That extra row of seating would go a long way. Personally, I would not want to roll 5 deep everywhere. Good luck with what ever you choose.
 
So our family just moved to Colorado a few months ago. Our family is in dire need of a second vehicle. (me, wife, 3 kids) I am determined to get a vehicle that will allow us to do the many jeep trails in this great state. I have always wanted a jeep but my wife and I made the mistake of test driving a 4runner a while back. IN LOVE! so here goes:

1. New SR5: upgrade rims, tires, suspension, lift and some grinding bars, possible Baja Rack

2. New TRD Off Road: stock...would mod eventually

3. Jeep Unlimited Rubicon: seems ready out of the box....reliability?????

Does anyone have any advice concerning the off road potential. Pros cons. Does the TRD Off Road really offer that much more????

Thanks guys....hoping to make a decision soon. Appreciate the help.

Looking forward to being a part of the community.

I would go for the 4runner offroad...I just got mine a week ago and I love it. I actually like it better than my 17 Tacoma OR.
 

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