Newbie Guidance

alirawk

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When I first got into this world of off-roading about a year ago, I did a lot of research and studied forums like this one as if my life depended on it. Having spent a lot of time and money, and logged thousands of miles -- I realize that it's true: my life did depend on it. Many times I discovered that the little bit of knowledge I picked up from the fine folks here was indispensable in the middle of nowhere, and just as critical in the garage.

So I thought perhaps it would be a good idea to collect some of those key insights and put forth a bit of a primer for people just getting into this hobby. Help people save time, money, and perhaps even their lives. Please contribute not merely links to other posts, but your topmost learned experience.

To begin, here are a couple things I've learned to get this thread going:

  • Don't blindly and entirely trust guidebooks or online reviews of trails. The natural world changes A LOT in very little time and I've found many so-called "moderate" roads had become near suicide campaigns.
  • Be patient with the process of building your rig. Everything takes longer than it seems like it should. You can't rush quality.
  • Don't pinch pennies with this hobby. Quality fabrication of these part isn't cheap, and the leaders in the industry are leaders because they themselves are out there on the trails, testing and making products that are intended to keep you alive in truly adverse situations.
  • Water, food, fuel. In that order.

I look forward to learning more on here and thank you for all of the insights you have imparted that have truly kept me, my wife, and dog still around.
 
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Welcome!! Maybe post this in a different area like 5th gen or what ever not a lot of traffic in this area..
 
This place rocks; also learned from "Death Valley Talk"

I've gotten much valuable advice, like, pack your recovery gear on top of the vehicle, easily accessible, before attempting a deep water crossing. LOL, most of this shit makes sense, but sometimes we have to learn it the wrong way.

I spend a fair amount of time out in the eastern California/Western Nevada desert, places where you may go several days without seeing anyone, and the nearest gas may be over 100 miles away.

So here's my bullet points.

Safety:
• Pull over to allow faster traffic to pass as soon as possible. If there's a car in your rear view mirror that wasn't there before, well, they're going faster than you.
• Carry a variety of maps, paper and digital. Don't trust GPS software completely; people have died that way.
• Expect changing conditions, plan for the road to be washed out at the worst possible place, and carry enough gas accordingly.
• Pack gas on the rear of the vehicle, so that if you roll your truck you may not squish the can and end up with gas inside the vehicle compartment. It is possible to drive out a rolled vehicle.
• Secure all your gear inside your vehicle, so (for example) your ice chest doesn't join you in the front seat as you're part way down some death hill 40 miles from Lone Pine.
• If manual transmission, always park facing downhill so you can jumpstart in case of battery issues. A battery starter is nice if you have the room.
• Wire an extra key under your car, and make sure your friends know about it; if you get lost, they can still use that key to get help. Wire it; I've found three of the magnetic variety on the trails.
• Watch tow companies carefully during a recovery operation; they don't always know what they're doing.
• Careful about sticking your head out the window to spot your tires; beware of getting your head pinched from trees or boulders.
• Beware of tight turns on loose surfaces like sand dunes or even thick forest duff. The downhill wheels will sometimes sink in deeper, suddenly increasing your off camber angle, and over you go.
• Don't rely on electronics or rescue personnel to save you. Be prepared and in decent shape.
• Six ply tires will save you a lot of trouble. Don't skimp on tires. Bring a can of fix-a-flat, too.
• Unsure if you can clear that rock in the road? Position your tire over it, instead of your differential. Bumpier, but ?
• Watch your dog's paws. Snow is probably worse than most desert terrain. Don't bring your dog to terrain with Cholla or recent wildfires.
• Bring tools, every kind imaginable, plus extra wire, duct tape, cable ties....
• Get a small-scale air gauge from the Internetz or 4x4 shop; most gauges don't accurately show when you air down to 12psi.
• Stuck? First thing you should do, in pretty much all conditions, is air down.
• Watch for large plywood signs, often found at the base of steep grades, with a single or double-digit number spray painted upon it. These indicate the CB channel used by local logging trucks, to announce their location on narrow, dangerous roads.
• Don't park in tall grass. Fires really do start that way.
• Be aware that big snow drifts which are solid enough to support your truck in the morning may become slushy vehicle-traps in the afternoon.
• Keep your guns locked up in camp. Same laws apply there as at home.
• Don't crawl into dusty holes or ruined cabins full of mouse crap. People really have died from Hantavirus in eastern California.

Etiquette - this isn't country like in the movie Deliverance, but still consider:
• Give people their privacy; don't enter others' camps unless necessary. Some of us are reclusive jerks who go to the hills to get away from people and walk around naked or in our wives' sundresses.
• Camp near the hot spring at your own risk. Even though it is empty now, located 50 miles from the nearest paved road, a party may show up later....
• Avoid driving when the roads are muddy. I know it's fun, but that's also when most of the damage is done.
• Don't park in the middle of the trail, assuming there's nobody else out there, and certainly don't park in front of the gate!

Other Practical Stuff:
• Don't be so intent on the destination that you miss cool places along the way. Take your breaks at different spots each trip.
• Driving every day will quickly melt your ice, as it is agitated by the bumps.
• Don't mix dry ice and regular. Dry ice must be kept dry and air-tight.
• Marine-type ice chests work best, if you can afford one.
• Don't floor the gas as soon as you pass someone. Be aware of kicking up rocks at them, as well as dust. Drive nice.
• Wash your truck, especially under the hood, before you take it to the shop.
• The car heading uphill has the right of way in California. But use common sense. Sometimes it is easier for the car heading uphill to backup to a good turnout.
• Getting stuck doesn't have to be a bummer. Send the kids to gather rocks, hand out beverages to the adults, and make a plan.
• Tire chains also work in mud.
• Keep bystanders clear of chains and straps, in case of catastrophic breakage.
• Don't trust online traffic reports. Sometimes the information is old, sometimes you can find your way around the problem.
• Some Counties in eastern California post "road closed" signs on routes that aren't closed, simply for liability reasons (you can't sue if you drive into a new washout). Obey the Forest Service signs, but be skeptical of County.

Oh, and finally, pull over to allow faster traffic to pass as soon as possible.
 
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I've gotten much valuable advice, like, pack your recovery gear on top of the vehicle, easily accessible, before attempting a deep water crossing. LOL, most of this shit makes sense, but sometimes we have to learn it the wrong way.

I spend a fair amount of time out in the eastern California/Western Nevada desert, places where you may go several days without seeing anyone, and the nearest gas may be over 100 miles away.

So here's my bullet points.

Safety:
• Pull over to allow slower traffic to pass as soon as possible. If there's a car in your rear view mirror that wasn't there before, well, they're going faster than you.
• Carry a variety of maps, paper and digital. Don't trust GPS software completely; people have died that way.
• Expect changing conditions, plan for the road to be washed out at the worst possible place, and carry enough gas accordingly.
• Pack gas on the rear of the vehicle, so that if you roll your truck you may not squish the can and end up with gas inside the vehicle compartment. It is possible to drive out a rolled vehicle.
• Secure all your gear inside your vehicle, so (for example) your ice chest doesn't join you in the front seat as you're part way down some death hill 40 miles from Lone Pine.
• If manual transmission, always park facing downhill so you can jumpstart in case of battery issues. A battery starter is nice if you have the room.
• Wire an extra key under your car, and make sure your friends know about it; if you get lost, they can still use that key to get help. Wire it; I've found three of the magnetic variety on the trails.
• Watch tow companies carefully during a recovery operation; they don't always know what they're doing.
• Careful about sticking your head out the window to spot your tires; beware of getting your head pinched from trees or boulders.
• Beware of tight turns on loose surfaces like sand dunes or even thick forest duff. The downhill wheels will sometimes sink in deeper, suddenly increasing your off camber angle, and over you go.
• Don't rely on electronics or rescue personnel to save you. Be prepared and in decent shape.
• Six ply tires will save you a lot of trouble. Don't skimp on tires. Bring a can of fix-a-flat, too.
• Unsure if you can clear that rock in the road? Position your tire over it, instead of your differential. Bumpier, but ?
• Watch your dog's paws. Snow is probably worse than most desert terrain. Don't bring your dog to terrain with Cholla or recent wildfires.
• Bring tools, every kind imaginable, plus extra wire, duct tape, cable ties....
• Get a small-scale air gauge from the Internetz or 4x4 shop; most gauges don't accurately show when you air down to 12psi.
• Stuck? First thing you should do, in pretty much all conditions, is air down.
• Watch for large plywood signs, often found at the base of steep grades, with a single or double-digit number spray painted upon it. These indicate the CB channel used by local logging trucks, to announce their location on narrow, dangerous roads.
• Don't park in tall grass. Fires really do start that way.
• Be aware that big snow drifts which are solid enough to support your truck in the morning may become slushy vehicle-traps in the afternoon.
• Keep your guns locked up in camp. Same laws apply there as at home.
• Don't crawl into dusty holes or ruined cabins full of mouse crap. People really have died from Hantavirus in eastern California.

Etiquette - this isn't country like in the movie Deliverance, but still consider:
• Give people their privacy; don't enter others' camps unless necessary. Some of us are reclusive jerks who go to the hills to get away from people and walk around naked or in our wives' sundresses.
• Camp near the hot spring at your own risk. Even though it is empty now, located 50 miles from the nearest paved road, a party may show up later....
• Avoid driving when the roads are muddy. I know it's fun, but that's also when most of the damage is done.
• Don't park in the middle of the trail, assuming there's nobody else out there, and certainly don't park in front of the gate!

Other Practical Stuff:
• Don't be so intent on the destination that you miss cool places along the way. Take your breaks at different spots each trip.
• Driving every day will quickly melt your ice, as it is agitated by the bumps.
• Don't mix dry ice and regular. Dry ice must be kept dry and air-tight.
• Marine-type ice chests work best, if you can afford one.
• Don't floor the gas as soon as you pass someone. Be aware of kicking up rocks at them, as well as dust. Drive nice.
• Wash your truck, especially under the hood, before you take it to the shop.
• The car heading uphill has the right of way in California. But use common sense. Sometimes it is easier for the car heading uphill to backup to a good turnout.
• Getting stuck doesn't have to be a bummer. Send the kids to gather rocks, hand out beverages to the adults, and make a plan.
• Tire chains also work in mud.
• Keep bystanders clear of chains and straps, in case of catastrophic breakage.
• Don't trust online traffic reports. Sometimes the information is old, sometimes you can find your way around the problem.
• Some Counties in eastern California post "road closed" signs on routes that aren't closed, simply for liability reasons (you can't sue if you drive into a new washout). Obey the Forest Service signs, but be skeptical of County.

Oh, and finally, pull over to allow slower traffic to pass as soon as possible.


Wow -- What a wealth of excellent insights and information. Thank you SO much for sharing.
 
I am a forum noob but not a 4wd noob.

Two of the things ive noticed plagues most people is being a spectator in a participant activity, by that I mean people who post all the time but rarely "get out there" (my reason to join forums is to meet other people who like overlanding) and others (sometimes the same people) who drop a ton of money into their vehicle, put it in 4wd once a year and dont know how to maneuver or recover a vehicle.

Get out there as often as possible with the bare minimum to make it safe and comfortable. As time passes you will upgrade based your needs based on the feedback the terrain gives you.
 
I've gotten much valuable advice, like, pack your recovery gear on top of the vehicle, easily accessible, before attempting a deep water crossing. LOL, most of this shit makes sense, but sometimes we have to learn it the wrong way.

I spend a fair amount of time out in the eastern California/Western Nevada desert, places where you may go several days without seeing anyone, and the nearest gas may be over 100 miles away.

So here's my bullet points.

Safety:
• Pull over to allow slower traffic to pass as soon as possible. If there's a car in your rear view mirror that wasn't there before, well, they're going faster than you.
• Carry a variety of maps, paper and digital. Don't trust GPS software completely; people have died that way.
• Expect changing conditions, plan for the road to be washed out at the worst possible place, and carry enough gas accordingly.
• Pack gas on the rear of the vehicle, so that if you roll your truck you may not squish the can and end up with gas inside the vehicle compartment. It is possible to drive out a rolled vehicle.
• Secure all your gear inside your vehicle, so (for example) your ice chest doesn't join you in the front seat as you're part way down some death hill 40 miles from Lone Pine.
• If manual transmission, always park facing downhill so you can jumpstart in case of battery issues. A battery starter is nice if you have the room.
• Wire an extra key under your car, and make sure your friends know about it; if you get lost, they can still use that key to get help. Wire it; I've found three of the magnetic variety on the trails.
• Watch tow companies carefully during a recovery operation; they don't always know what they're doing.
• Careful about sticking your head out the window to spot your tires; beware of getting your head pinched from trees or boulders.
• Beware of tight turns on loose surfaces like sand dunes or even thick forest duff. The downhill wheels will sometimes sink in deeper, suddenly increasing your off camber angle, and over you go.
• Don't rely on electronics or rescue personnel to save you. Be prepared and in decent shape.
• Six ply tires will save you a lot of trouble. Don't skimp on tires. Bring a can of fix-a-flat, too.
• Unsure if you can clear that rock in the road? Position your tire over it, instead of your differential. Bumpier, but ?
• Watch your dog's paws. Snow is probably worse than most desert terrain. Don't bring your dog to terrain with Cholla or recent wildfires.
• Bring tools, every kind imaginable, plus extra wire, duct tape, cable ties....
• Get a small-scale air gauge from the Internetz or 4x4 shop; most gauges don't accurately show when you air down to 12psi.
• Stuck? First thing you should do, in pretty much all conditions, is air down.
• Watch for large plywood signs, often found at the base of steep grades, with a single or double-digit number spray painted upon it. These indicate the CB channel used by local logging trucks, to announce their location on narrow, dangerous roads.
• Don't park in tall grass. Fires really do start that way.
• Be aware that big snow drifts which are solid enough to support your truck in the morning may become slushy vehicle-traps in the afternoon.
• Keep your guns locked up in camp. Same laws apply there as at home.
• Don't crawl into dusty holes or ruined cabins full of mouse crap. People really have died from Hantavirus in eastern California.

Etiquette - this isn't country like in the movie Deliverance, but still consider:
• Give people their privacy; don't enter others' camps unless necessary. Some of us are reclusive jerks who go to the hills to get away from people and walk around naked or in our wives' sundresses.
• Camp near the hot spring at your own risk. Even though it is empty now, located 50 miles from the nearest paved road, a party may show up later....
• Avoid driving when the roads are muddy. I know it's fun, but that's also when most of the damage is done.
• Don't park in the middle of the trail, assuming there's nobody else out there, and certainly don't park in front of the gate!

Other Practical Stuff:
• Don't be so intent on the destination that you miss cool places along the way. Take your breaks at different spots each trip.
• Driving every day will quickly melt your ice, as it is agitated by the bumps.
• Don't mix dry ice and regular. Dry ice must be kept dry and air-tight.
• Marine-type ice chests work best, if you can afford one.
• Don't floor the gas as soon as you pass someone. Be aware of kicking up rocks at them, as well as dust. Drive nice.
• Wash your truck, especially under the hood, before you take it to the shop.
• The car heading uphill has the right of way in California. But use common sense. Sometimes it is easier for the car heading uphill to backup to a good turnout.
• Getting stuck doesn't have to be a bummer. Send the kids to gather rocks, hand out beverages to the adults, and make a plan.
• Tire chains also work in mud.
• Keep bystanders clear of chains and straps, in case of catastrophic breakage.
• Don't trust online traffic reports. Sometimes the information is old, sometimes you can find your way around the problem.
• Some Counties in eastern California post "road closed" signs on routes that aren't closed, simply for liability reasons (you can't sue if you drive into a new washout). Obey the Forest Service signs, but be skeptical of County.

Oh, and finally, pull over to allow slower traffic to pass as soon as possible.
Well stated. Thank you.
 
I've gotten much valuable advice, like, pack your recovery gear on top of the vehicle, easily accessible, before attempting a deep water crossing. LOL, most of this shit makes sense, but sometimes we have to learn it the wrong way.

I spend a fair amount of time out in the eastern California/Western Nevada desert, places where you may go several days without seeing anyone, and the nearest gas may be over 100 miles away.

So here's my bullet points.

Safety:
• Pull over to allow faster traffic to pass as soon as possible. If there's a car in your rear view mirror that wasn't there before, well, they're going faster than you.
• Carry a variety of maps, paper and digital. Don't trust GPS software completely; people have died that way.
• Expect changing conditions, plan for the road to be washed out at the worst possible place, and carry enough gas accordingly.
• Pack gas on the rear of the vehicle, so that if you roll your truck you may not squish the can and end up with gas inside the vehicle compartment. It is possible to drive out a rolled vehicle.
• Secure all your gear inside your vehicle, so (for example) your ice chest doesn't join you in the front seat as you're part way down some death hill 40 miles from Lone Pine.
• If manual transmission, always park facing downhill so you can jumpstart in case of battery issues. A battery starter is nice if you have the room.
• Wire an extra key under your car, and make sure your friends know about it; if you get lost, they can still use that key to get help. Wire it; I've found three of the magnetic variety on the trails.
• Watch tow companies carefully during a recovery operation; they don't always know what they're doing.
• Careful about sticking your head out the window to spot your tires; beware of getting your head pinched from trees or boulders.
• Beware of tight turns on loose surfaces like sand dunes or even thick forest duff. The downhill wheels will sometimes sink in deeper, suddenly increasing your off camber angle, and over you go.
• Don't rely on electronics or rescue personnel to save you. Be prepared and in decent shape.
• Six ply tires will save you a lot of trouble. Don't skimp on tires. Bring a can of fix-a-flat, too.
• Unsure if you can clear that rock in the road? Position your tire over it, instead of your differential. Bumpier, but ?
• Watch your dog's paws. Snow is probably worse than most desert terrain. Don't bring your dog to terrain with Cholla or recent wildfires.
• Bring tools, every kind imaginable, plus extra wire, duct tape, cable ties....
• Get a small-scale air gauge from the Internetz or 4x4 shop; most gauges don't accurately show when you air down to 12psi.
• Stuck? First thing you should do, in pretty much all conditions, is air down.
• Watch for large plywood signs, often found at the base of steep grades, with a single or double-digit number spray painted upon it. These indicate the CB channel used by local logging trucks, to announce their location on narrow, dangerous roads.
• Don't park in tall grass. Fires really do start that way.
• Be aware that big snow drifts which are solid enough to support your truck in the morning may become slushy vehicle-traps in the afternoon.
• Keep your guns locked up in camp. Same laws apply there as at home.
• Don't crawl into dusty holes or ruined cabins full of mouse crap. People really have died from Hantavirus in eastern California.

Etiquette - this isn't country like in the movie Deliverance, but still consider:
• Give people their privacy; don't enter others' camps unless necessary. Some of us are reclusive jerks who go to the hills to get away from people and walk around naked or in our wives' sundresses.
• Camp near the hot spring at your own risk. Even though it is empty now, located 50 miles from the nearest paved road, a party may show up later....
• Avoid driving when the roads are muddy. I know it's fun, but that's also when most of the damage is done.
• Don't park in the middle of the trail, assuming there's nobody else out there, and certainly don't park in front of the gate!

Other Practical Stuff:
• Don't be so intent on the destination that you miss cool places along the way. Take your breaks at different spots each trip.
• Driving every day will quickly melt your ice, as it is agitated by the bumps.
• Don't mix dry ice and regular. Dry ice must be kept dry and air-tight.
• Marine-type ice chests work best, if you can afford one.
• Don't floor the gas as soon as you pass someone. Be aware of kicking up rocks at them, as well as dust. Drive nice.
• Wash your truck, especially under the hood, before you take it to the shop.
• The car heading uphill has the right of way in California. But use common sense. Sometimes it is easier for the car heading uphill to backup to a good turnout.
• Getting stuck doesn't have to be a bummer. Send the kids to gather rocks, hand out beverages to the adults, and make a plan.
• Tire chains also work in mud.
• Keep bystanders clear of chains and straps, in case of catastrophic breakage.
• Don't trust online traffic reports. Sometimes the information is old, sometimes you can find your way around the problem.
• Some Counties in eastern California post "road closed" signs on routes that aren't closed, simply for liability reasons (you can't sue if you drive into a new washout). Obey the Forest Service signs, but be skeptical of County.

Oh, and finally, pull over to allow faster traffic to pass as soon as possible.

I second that. thank you very much. about to take my first trip out west where the overlanding is proper, and these are all great things to know.
 
good advice, amazes me when people are proud that they own a pt cruiser because they were told it was in at the moment. and then they think my adding nitrous it'll make it a rarri. crazy world out there
 
good advice.

on another note, I had issues with my other username trying to post a reply. Kept getting a message saying I couldn't post. emailed [email protected] and have not gotten any reply.

literally had to make another email account with a new username to post here.
 

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