Non ethanol fuel????

[johnbt]

"87 is 2.86"

Ouch. I filled up yesterday at the nice place near me that's part of the Top Tier gas program and 87 was only $2.29. I didn't even check the cut-rate joints for cheap gas.

Okay, according to gasbuddy.com the Citgo 5 miles away near town has regular for $2.05.

 

[badattitude]

True, I should have said it takes a couple tanks for the timing to advance when switching to 91 octane. It only takes a gallon of 87 to adjust timing back down from 91 octane. Its about octane not pure gas in regards to the delayed timing advancement. I do see slightly better MPGs with pure gas. Not enough to totally justify the cost. But I also like buying/supporting products I believe in, like pure gas. It would be terrible if it was no longer available.

Point is, people who run one tank of high octane gas will not see much change due to higher octane. The timing gains with the Dual VVT come after a couple consecutive tanks of high octane. Yes, the small but real advantage of pure gas is immediate as far as I know.

 

[Heavy_GD]

In his defense I heard the night shade edition specifically had a unique ethanol injection pump that required a special additive to ensure proper fluxing in the capacitor.

 

[euser]

Yes no problem, but I'm curious as to why? I have a place near me that sells non-ethanol premium but it's nearly twice the price of regular. I run it in my classic Alfa Romeo as that car was built before they started blending ethanol in fuel and parts of the fuel system aren't totally ethanol compatible. But the 4Runner fuel system is totally compatible with weak ethanol blends - up to E15 at least.

There’s plenty of places you just can’t get gas with ethanol. I spent 2 years living in a town that only sold 100% gas. Not a single gas station carried gas with ethanol.

 

[catrains]

Yes,I live in Illinois...

A member was in a country that had no ethanol fuel so he asked that same question. had no problems .

the carb engines pre ethanol fuel do love non ethanol.. carb floats die..they sink LOL..

 

[fourwd1]

Since this is non-5th Gen related I'm moving this to General Discussion.

And everyone knows never use ethanol in a nightshade edition truck.

 

[Toffees]

In his defense I heard the night shade edition specifically had a unique ethanol injection pump that required a special additive to ensure proper fluxing in the capacitor.

True, but that's also why it handles better on black ice

 

[zcruiser]

using ethanol in fuel is ignorant.
It artificially raises the cost of corn, animal feed, and beef, pork and chicken.
Need to do away with any federal subsidies for using corn based ethanol, and remove any EPA requirements for it's use.

it's less efficient, which negates any supposed 'clean air' gains from using it.
Once again, it it was really any better, the free market would have allowed it to take over, but since it's not, the government has to mandate it's use, and subsidize it.

Agree 100%.

I'd agree 1000% but that's just silly. Like corn. Corn is silly.

 

[Pandax]

I use it and get better gas mileage


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[TechWrench]

Yes no problem, but I'm curious as to why? I have a place near me that sells non-ethanol premium but it's nearly twice the price of regular. I run it in my classic Alfa Romeo as that car was built before they started blending ethanol in fuel and parts of the fuel system aren't totally ethanol compatible. But the 4Runner fuel system is totally compatible with weak ethanol blends - up to E15 at least.

OK, the whole ethanol thing aside, I gotta ask. How classic is that Alfa. I spent 3 1/2 years in Italy while in the Military, and became an Alfa lover. I had 5 different ones while there, and another after I returned to states. Sadly I no longer have that '68 GTV 1750, and regret letting it go all those years ago. And with the skyrocketing price of the 'Classic' Alfa, I will probably never get the chance to own one again.

 

[Vwright14]

It's my understanding the computer takes 1,000 miles to fully adjust timing to take advantage the pure gas. It only takes 5 miles for the computer to revert back to blended fuel map. This protects the engine.

I don't drive a lot and pure gas 91 octane is only $.30 more per gallon. So I use 91 octane pure gas exclusively.

I got 20.9 Hwy MPGs a couple weeks ago. I get 17.5 mpg around town.

I support Corn Growers but do not like ethanol in my gas!

But yes, 4runners can run up to 15% ethanol with out harm.

Wait till they go to the 20% year round blend.:sad:

 

[Lester Lugnut]

Some may not believe it, but modern cars are designed to run on the 10% ethanol.

Non-Ethanol was introduced in my area about 2-3 years ago. Yep - the lawn mower loved it.

I ran several tanks of the Non-Ethanol in my '15 4.0L 1GR-FE Tacoma and "felt" no difference and realized no better mpg.

I would not be surprised that it helps older carb-equipped muscle cars, but for todays vehicle, I think some are swallowing a placebo.

If it makes you happy and your wallet can take it, use the stuff.

Too bad cars can't talk.

 

[redneckcrawler]

Some may not believe it, but modern cars are designed to run on the 10% ethanol.

Non-Ethanol was introduced in my area about 2-3 years ago. Yep - the lawn mower loved it.

I ran several tanks of the Non-Ethanol in my '15 4.0L 1GR-FE Tacoma and "felt" no difference and realized no better mpg.

I would not be surprised that it helps older carb-equipped muscle cars, but for todays vehicle, I think some are swallowing a placebo.

If it makes you happy and your wallet can take it, use the stuff.

Too bad cars can't talk.

Cars can talk. I drive 80 miles round trip on my commute, all highway. I filled the truck with 93 non-ethanol and got 19.2 mpg. Reset the dash, filled with 93 regular, and got 18.6 mpg. Yes, you can tune to get most out of the shit gas, but the engine internals definitely prefer the good stuff.

 

[Lester Lugnut]

Cars can talk. I drive 80 miles round trip on my commute, all highway. I filled the truck with 93 non-ethanol and got 19.2 mpg. Reset the dash, filled with 93 regular, and got 18.6 mpg. Yes, you can tune to get most out of the shit gas, but the engine internals definitely prefer the good stuff.

Maybe the 93 non-ethanol helped. In my area we have Murphy 87 non-ethanol.

 

[thatoneguy]

In my area, Utah, regular is 85 octane, because of high altitude, and 87 is midgrade. Local Maveriks sell 88 octane ethanol-free for about $0.10 higher than midgrade. With that low of a cost difference, I am tempted to just use ethanol-free as much as possible, if there's no negatives and only positives to it. I seem to be doing better on mpg on the non-ethanol, but that may just be hopeful bias. How much does the 5th gen care about ethanol in gasoline? I was surprised to see how loudly the gas cap states NO E20 FUEL. This being a 20 year old engine design, was it designed before ethanol started appearing in fuels? If I'm taking this engine 250,000 miles, does it matter either way?

 

[jfon]

Ethanol has about 33% less energy content than gasoline. A 15% dilution of gas with ethanol would mean about 5% less mpg than with pure gas, at any pump octane. So, a car getting 20mpg on gas should get about 19mpg on the 15% blend.

E-85, which is 85% ethanol, yields a reduction in mpg of about 28%.

I haven't seen the exorbitant price difference between gas and E-15. Whenever the pure gas is available I buy it... for all the reasons others have pointed out about the misuse and misleading logic of corn.

 

[Flyer]

I do try to use pure gas though it is even in 87, slightly more expensive than 91 here in Colorado. 91 pure it is quite a bit more but the gas station is somewhat far away or I'd use that. We have cut down on driving quite a bit due to no work commutes anymore, so the economics are not a huge deal.