I know it's not the gun that's not accurate. I have seen plenty of people shoot DA pistols with very good accuracy. I watched a video on youtube (search for hickok45 hk p30) of a guy shooting 8" targets at 50+ yards with the p30. I know it's an accurate pistol. The problem is me. I'm not a pro shooter or anywhere near an expert. I'm a proficient shooter though. I hate to be defeated so I'm going to practice more this week and really focus on the fundamentals. After going to the range next weekend will tell me whether I am beat or not. If I'm still beat then I will convert to V1 or trade/sell the pistol. The XDM Comp is looking pretty tempting though. I would love to grab a xdm comp and put a trijicon rmr on it. I can almost get the xdm comp with the rmr for the price of what my p30 is worth.
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LandCruiser
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The P30's DA/SA is a lot worse than the HK45. Don't know how or why, except that maybe the HK45 was supposed to replace the 1911 (before the project was canned) and people would be pissed if the trigger sucked.
JBecker
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If you had problems with an L malfunctioning with weaker ammo it is common. The pistol was designed for NATO spec ammo. The problem comes from the heavier slide and stronger recoil spring. Some guys have taken L slides and milled them down to be the same weight as the standard model. This is what Glock does with their long slide versions.
As to the trigger issues, mine shoots very well, but I'm used to triggers like this, and not SA guns like 1911's. Personally I don't think you will be any better off with a striker fired gun until you get your fundamentals down with it. But you never know. I wouldn't kick the HK to the curb just yet.
Oh, and and on an unrelated note, I'm finally getting off the fence and will be sending in my forms this week to the ATF to SBR one of my lowers. I wanted to do this last year but procrastinated on it, and now I'm kicking myself. If I had done it then, I would have my 11.5" BCM rifle by now. I'm also gonna be getting a suppressor sometime in the near future as well. Really leaning toward the Surefire SOCOM RC, but haven't ruled out some of the offerings from AAC and Gemtech either.
Something very cool about a rifle that is the same length as a 16" non NFA gun but is hearing safe. :reddance:
As to the trigger issues, mine shoots very well, but I'm used to triggers like this, and not SA guns like 1911's. Personally I don't think you will be any better off with a striker fired gun until you get your fundamentals down with it. But you never know. I wouldn't kick the HK to the curb just yet.
Oh, and and on an unrelated note, I'm finally getting off the fence and will be sending in my forms this week to the ATF to SBR one of my lowers. I wanted to do this last year but procrastinated on it, and now I'm kicking myself. If I had done it then, I would have my 11.5" BCM rifle by now. I'm also gonna be getting a suppressor sometime in the near future as well. Really leaning toward the Surefire SOCOM RC, but haven't ruled out some of the offerings from AAC and Gemtech either.
Something very cool about a rifle that is the same length as a 16" non NFA gun but is hearing safe. :reddance:
LandCruiser
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I like shooting wimpy 9mm ammo, it's easier to find and it's cheap. There's no tuning kit readily available for the P30 series (especially the L) that would make it feed the weak stuff reliably.
The HK45 is much more forgiving for low pressure ammo, while still being able to handle some hot +P stuff.
And there's a world of difference between the triggers on the P30 series from other HK guns. Not sure why that would be the case.
LandCruiser
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Thanks to the stupidity of our country, and how every time there's some shooting every democrat tries to ban anything that looks like an AR/EBR, I feel the urge to pick one up if I see a good deal.
Wal Mart had Sig m400s for 899 (same gun cost 1600 bucks a few months ago), and on a recent road trip, I found that they were unloading a bunch of 6940s for 1200 bucks a piece because they bought too much.
The wife bought the Sig, since every girl needs at least one AR, and I couldn't pass up the Colt, since the only thing better than one 6940 is to have two--one tuned for mid range and one for long range.
The weird thing is that the manufacturers met the panic demand, and now that the demand has gone waay down, the prices are dirt cheap again. I don't feel sorry for the retards who paid panic prices for the same guns, or 50 bucks for a 10 dollar PMAG.
Wal Mart had Sig m400s for 899 (same gun cost 1600 bucks a few months ago), and on a recent road trip, I found that they were unloading a bunch of 6940s for 1200 bucks a piece because they bought too much.
The wife bought the Sig, since every girl needs at least one AR, and I couldn't pass up the Colt, since the only thing better than one 6940 is to have two--one tuned for mid range and one for long range.
The weird thing is that the manufacturers met the panic demand, and now that the demand has gone waay down, the prices are dirt cheap again. I don't feel sorry for the retards who paid panic prices for the same guns, or 50 bucks for a 10 dollar PMAG.
I'll admit, I took a bath on my AR. I paid WAY too much for it. Even now, looking back I would do it again. There was a very real possibility of me not having a chance to buy another one so I grabbed one while I could. I think I paid 300-400 more than what they are going for now. This was really early last year when the gun ban was a serious threat.
LandCruiser
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That's a fair point and I apologize for the snarky tone.
Now that there is no panic, I suggest investing in stripped receivers and AR parts. You never know when they will come in handy.
Whatever you do, tho, NEVER sell them--no matter what people offer you. I was offered 5k for my 6940 with hybrid scope not long after the panic.
It's all good. What irritates me is when people buy all the ammo that comes in stock at stores and then tries to sell them for twice to three times the price. It amazes me that people pay those prices too. All people have to do is stop buying it from them and the gougers will stop doing it.
Buying a stripped lower is a good call though!
Pistols are a very personal thing. Once you have the fundamentals down, its just a matter if what design you shoot well. If your fundamentals are good, and you want a pistol with even better ergonomics than the P30, a much better trigger, and (for most people) will shoot circles around the HK, look into CZ. They are world renowned for ergonomics and accuracy for a reason. Most people shoot them very well, and you will never hear a CZ owner that doesn't like their pistol. Even the much cheaper knock-offs are proving to be very good guns with extremely good reliability. (Tristar/Canick/etc)
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A CZ will be one of the next pistols I buy. I have heard a lot of good things about them.
I went to the range today and the p30 may just have a future with me. I put close to 200 rounds through it. I was hardly a sharp shooter but I did much better and had a lot more shots closer to the red dot than last time. The ones that were way off I was able to tell what I did wrong. I need to spend more time with it (few thousand rounds) and practice.
Like I said, not sharp shooter but there is definitely improvement over last week.
A CZ will be one of the next pistols I buy. I have heard a lot of good things about them.
I went to the range today and the p30 may just have a future with me. I put close to 200 rounds through it. I was hardly a sharp shooter but I did much better and had a lot more shots closer to the red dot than last time. The ones that were way off I was able to tell what I did wrong. I need to spend more time with it (few thousand rounds) and practice.
Like I said, not sharp shooter but there is definitely improvement over last week.
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If I were in your shoes, I'd get rid of the HK asap, and put your money into the CZ now. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people spend literally thousands in ammo, sights, grips, etc. trying to get a pistol to shoot to their satisfaction. Eventually, they get rid of it anyway.
Look at the money you have already spent on the (way overpriced IMO) HK, plus the ammo and range time you have invested in it so far. When you finally do get your hands on the pistol thats truly meant for you, whether its a CZ or not, you will be glad you got rid of the HK sooner rather than later. I can promise you, a stock, out of the box CZ will shoot groups half the size you posted with no practice on your part.
Like I said earlier, once you get the fundamentals down, it shouldn't take that much effort to shoot a pistol well. I taught Military Police Swat officers to shoot for almost 8.5 years. I've seen people come in with zero shooting experience, (but are capable of being taught), shoot expert in a matter of minutes with the proper instruction. Then I've seen people come to the range with their privately owned whiz bang, new fangled, "Navy SEAL Operator" guns and embarrass themselves. In my experience, 90+% of the time its improper grip and trigger control. Once those 2 things are mastered, it comes down to what action/design fits you best. In my years of instruction, I have never found a person that didn't shoot a CZ well.
Here is a link with Todd Jarret instructing proper handgun grip. (around 1:02 in the video). This, single handedly, has helped a LOT of people shoot a handgun. It will feel awkward at first, but try it out and let me know what you think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa50-plo48
If you lived nearby, I'd love to spend a few minutes on the range with you. I have a pretty big selection of pistols to choose from. If you get a chance, goto a range that has rental guns and try out everything you can. Once you find what fits you, those groups will shrink dramatically! Good luck!
If I were in your shoes, I'd get rid of the HK asap, and put your money into the CZ now. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people spend literally thousands in ammo, sights, grips, etc. trying to get a pistol to shoot to their satisfaction. Eventually, they get rid of it anyway.
Look at the money you have already spent on the (way overpriced IMO) HK, plus the ammo and range time you have invested in it so far. When you finally do get your hands on the pistol thats truly meant for you, whether its a CZ or not, you will be glad you got rid of the HK sooner rather than later. I can promise you, a stock, out of the box CZ will shoot groups half the size you posted with no practice on your part.
Like I said earlier, once you get the fundamentals down, it shouldn't take that much effort to shoot a pistol well. I taught Military Police Swat officers to shoot for almost 8.5 years. I've seen people come in with zero shooting experience, (but are capable of being taught), shoot expert in a matter of minutes with the proper instruction. Then I've seen people come to the range with their privately owned whiz bang, new fangled, "Navy SEAL Operator" guns and embarrass themselves. In my experience, 90+% of the time its improper grip and trigger control. Once those 2 things are mastered, it comes down to what action/design fits you best. In my years of instruction, I have never found a person that didn't shoot a CZ well.
Here is a link with Todd Jarret instructing proper handgun grip. (around 1:02 in the video). This, single handedly, has helped a LOT of people shoot a handgun. It will feel awkward at first, but try it out and let me know what you think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa50-plo48
If you lived nearby, I'd love to spend a few minutes on the range with you. I have a pretty big selection of pistols to choose from. If you get a chance, goto a range that has rental guns and try out everything you can. Once you find what fits you, those groups will shrink dramatically! Good luck!
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Dark Lord
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That video is the definition of fundamentals. Everything I have learned about shooting handguns over the past few years was based on those exact fundamentals. Although I can never consider myself to be a "good" shooter, because a "good" shooter in my opinion is someone like Todd Jarrett. I do consider myself however, better than average, but not good. A "good" shooter is a subjective term though. IPSC competitors may admit it themselves, just because you can shoot well, does not mean you can repeat that behavior under pressure. Which is why I preach pushing yourself when you are at the range (this and dry firing).
I see a lot of people at the range like to make a cute little group of shots. I look at it this way. If you're shooting a tight group, you're not challenging yourself enough (that is if you're practicing defensively). Unless I am doing drills to practice trigger control, or other fundamentals, I make it a point to shoot as fast as I can with good control. I'm not saying don't hit the paper, but don't focus on shooting tight groups if you can help it.
Welp, I'm going back to the range tomorrow so we will see if I can make any improvements over yesterday.
I'm eventually going to pick up a cz but I can't buy anymore guns for a while. The wife says so. What that really means is that if I want a thousand dollar gun it will cost me two grand since she will get something that sparkles and cost about a grand.
I'm eventually going to pick up a cz but I can't buy anymore guns for a while. The wife says so. What that really means is that if I want a thousand dollar gun it will cost me two grand since she will get something that sparkles and cost about a grand.
LandCruiser
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A 9mm Springfield is cheaper than a CZ (either get the Loaded or the RO).
It will also shoot as well as the CZ.
It will also shoot as well as the CZ.
Dawg4Runner
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I sold some guns back in the early 90's which seemed like a good idea at the time. A couple of them I really really regret, an HK93 rifle and a Browning Hi Power pistol. If I had a Mr. Fusion powered DeLorean, I'd go back and correct those mistakes. Since then I've adopted a "No Sell" policy and keep every gun regardless if I shoot them or not. [MENTION=24995]SV_Dude[/MENTION] even if you decide to get something else, hang on to that HK.
Swapped out my HK416 upper for a new DD MK18, for a while.
[MENTION=84548]NoHair[/MENTION], you have the coolest toys in your toy box! :thumb: The camo'd one looks like Dexter's been by.
