OME 891 harshness

[tre9er]

So I have the opportunity to purchase some 891's for a good bit less than retail, used of course, but I'm worried about ride harshness. I would probably pair them with LC shocks, but I'm open to suggestions. I just don't want my wife/kids to be complaining everywhere we go when the back is unloaded. We take the car most places, but any time we go to state parks, the runner has the permit sticker and carries more (still only about 100lbs in the cargo area, though).

Are the 891's, even with the best shock option I can come up with, still going to be too firm when the runner is unloaded?

Edit: I've read, as I do every day, hundreds of posts. Opinions vary, but I haven't seen too many different shock combos with the 891's, so I'm asking specifically if anyone experienced a nicer on-road ride with 891's and certain shocks.

 

[blizz86]

So I have the opportunity to purchase some 891's for a good bit less than retail, used of course, but I'm worried about ride harshness. I would probably pair them with LC shocks, but I'm open to suggestions. I just don't want my wife/kids to be complaining everywhere we go when the back is unloaded. We take the car most places, but any time we go to state parks, the runner has the permit sticker and carries more (still only about 100lbs in the cargo area, though).

Are the 891's, even with the best shock option I can come up with, still going to be too firm when the runner is unloaded?

Edit: I've read, as I do every day, hundreds of posts. Opinions vary, but I haven't seen too many different shock combos with the 891's, so I'm asking specifically if anyone experienced a nicer on-road ride with 891's and certain shocks.

I think the harshness people experience with 891s (myself included) is that we pair them with the OE 60028 shock. Comfort my a$$ :flipoff:, looking back i would have went with bilsteins or LC shocks.

However the combo loaded (maybe 200-300 lbs in the rear) is very nice.

 

[4ganger]

I have the OME 881. Do you mean 881 not 891?

I originally went with an OE type length shock which was a Rancho. That lasted about 25k. Swapped them out last month for the OME 9004 front shocks.

I can tell you with the Rancho's the ride was barely ok. A bit harsh and actually no enough travel. With the OME 9004 shocks it rides and feels just like the original stock 4 runner. Much better.

From the toytech website: "NOTE: 881 & 883 coils require matching OME 90004 front shocks."

'nough said. :zoom:

 

[Yota_Tech87]

OME springs

I have the OME 881. Do you mean 881 not 891?

I originally went with an OE type length shock which was a Rancho. That lasted about 25k. Swapped them out last month for the OME 9004 front shocks.

I can tell you with the Rancho's the ride was barely ok. A bit harsh and actually no enough travel. With the OME 9004 shocks it rides and feels just like the original stock 4 runner. Much better.

From the toytech website: "NOTE: 881 & 883 coils require matching OME 90004 front shocks."

'nough said. :zoom:

No he means the 891 rear springs. the 881 springs are for the front. so yes you may have the 881 springs but they are on the front. the other option for rear are 890 springs or 906...

 

[JayRolla]

If you run the heavy coil you will want to run a heavy bumper with a winch or it will ride harsh. I run the 881 with the 90004 comfort shock and its a little stiffer than stock, but its not bad.

 

[Yota_Tech87]

If you run the heavy coil you will want to run a heavy bumper with a winch or it will ride harsh. I run the 881 with the 90004 comfort shock and its a little stiffer than stock, but its not bad.

he is asking about the 891 rear springs, not the 881 front springs front springs.

 

[tre9er]

I know it's apples/oranges, but I'm also looking at LC coils, yeah, much more lift than I originally thought I wanted, but then I figured, why do it a little and then do it again?

The LC coils are cheaper but I need to see how tall they are. They're from a 92, so maybe they've sagged enough that I won't get 4+" of lift

he is asking about the 891 rear springs, not the 881 front springs front springs.

Correct. At this point it's either 891's or 7 wraps, and I know there is a big difference in lift amount there, but at least with the 7 wraps I will get a softer ride on road and the rake will drop when loaded...this is hard to decide, though.

 

[JWaldz]

[MENTION=66327]4ganger[/MENTION] I believe he is talking about the 891 rear ome coils which are identified as HD coils and ideal for additional weight in the cargo area.

OP, I paired my 891's with the Bilstein 5125's which are softer shocks but allow more articulation. My constant carry weight use to be right around 75lbs +/- 10lbs. The ride was very tolerable.

 

[4ganger]

I know it's apples/oranges, but I'm also looking at LC coils, yeah, much more lift than I originally thought I wanted, but then I figured, why do it a little and then do it again?

The LC coils are cheaper but I need to see how tall they are. They're from a 92, so maybe they've sagged enough that I won't get 4+" of lift



Correct. At this point it's either 891's or 7 wraps, and I know there is a big difference in lift amount there, but at least with the 7 wraps I will get a softer ride on road and the rake will drop when loaded...this is hard to decide, though.

I have the 881 in front and the LC coils in the rear. Really like the lift and the bit of rake. Came out nice. Using the Rancho LC shocks in the rear.

 

[Yota_Tech87]

So I have the opportunity to purchase some 891's for a good bit less than retail, used of course, but I'm worried about ride harshness. I would probably pair them with LC shocks, but I'm open to suggestions. I just don't want my wife/kids to be complaining everywhere we go when the back is unloaded. We take the car most places, but any time we go to state parks, the runner has the permit sticker and carries more (still only about 100lbs in the cargo area, though).

Are the 891's, even with the best shock option I can come up with, still going to be too firm when the runner is unloaded?

Edit: I've read, as I do every day, hundreds of posts. Opinions vary, but I haven't seen too many different shock combos with the 891's, so I'm asking specifically if anyone experienced a nicer on-road ride with 891's and certain shocks.

I just ordered my lift and got it in, I am putting on a rear bumper too, and i only got the 890 springs, the harshness i dont think is worth the saving a few bucks. just my two cents.

 

[tre9er]

Thanks guys. The LC coils I'm looking at might not be 7 wraps, so we'll see if that falls through.

If I go with the 891's I was thinking of LC shocks. Anyone have any experience or insight into how that might ride unloaded?

 

[Millerad1651]

I'm running 7 wraps with the OME 60028 shocks and the ride is great...softness of the springs with stiffness of shocks offset nicely.

I ended up with just at 3.5" of lift with the LCs. I personally wouldn't go with 891s without constant weight in the back.

 

[Nunyabiz]

I have 891s in back and 883s in front.
Love the ride, not harsh at all to me and my wife even loves it, in fact she prefers to ride in the 4Runner more than in her Lexus.

It was very nice when we went cross country for almost 8000 miles with 800lbs in the back.
I wouldn't change a thing.

 

[cdrewferd]

I have 891s in the rear with OME shocks. Paired with the Toytec coilovers it's very nice. It's possibly more comfortable than stock. The coils were used though so they were already passed their break in period.

Once you break them in, you'll probably like it.

 

[Yota_Tech87]

I'm running 7 wraps with the OME 60028 shocks and the ride is great...softness of the springs with stiffness of shocks offset nicely.

I ended up with just at 3.5" of lift with the LCs. I personally wouldn't go with 891s without constant weight in the back.

Another person not recommending the 891's.... Just saying... We have to remember and take into thought that OME has done years of research and testing, and if they say the 891's are for a constant 650 lbs of extra weight in the rear, we should listen to them...

 

[Yota_Tech87]

I have 891s in the rear with OME shocks. Paired with the Toytec coilovers it's very nice. It's possibly more comfortable than stock. The coils were used though so they were already passed their break in period.

Once you break them in, you'll probably like it.

I'm doing the opposite almost... I have the 90004 front struts with 881 springs and 890 rear springs with bilstein 5125 shocks rear... Lol

 

[tre9er]

I have 891s in back and 883s in front.
Love the ride, not harsh at all to me and my wife even loves it, in fact she prefers to ride in the 4Runner more than in her Lexus.

It was very nice when we went cross country for almost 8000 miles with 800lbs in the back.
I wouldn't change a thing.

What shocks are you using in the back? Is the ride "nice" according to you AND the wifey even when unloaded?

Man, this is hard. I mean, we want to go camping a lot and want a boat, small camper trailer, etc. but that still only means probably a dozen times a year that the runner will have weight in the arse-end. The other 350 or so days it's the grocery-getter/commuter vehicle (just 4.5 mi each way).

 

[ugamurph]

Are the 891's, even with the best shock option I can come up with, still going to be too firm when the runner is unloaded?

Edit: I've read, as I do every day, hundreds of posts. Opinions vary, but I haven't seen too many different shock combos with the 891's, so I'm asking specifically if anyone experienced a nicer on-road ride with 891's and certain shocks.

I installed the OME 891s paired with the
OME 60027 shocks with no added weight in the rear. It was a very harsh ride. So, not knowing enough about suspension systems and how they work, I swapped out the 891s for a pair of LC 8 wraps. The ride was a little better, but still jarring over even the smallest of bumps. After doing some more research, I found that the biggest culprit of the harsh ride was the shocks. I ordered Bilstein 5100s and paired them with the OME 891s (too much rake from the LC coils for my taste). The shocks are part # 24-100144 made for the rear of the 99-2006 Tundra with 0-2" of lift.

Immediately after installing them back in March 2013 I could feel a difference. They are valved much softer than the OME 60027s. They have a great ride on and off road. Small bumps are no longer jarring at all. And they have a great range of motion.

Edit: Picture shows the flex (not full stuff) with my OME 891/Bilstein 5100 setup.

 

[tre9er]

I installed the OME 891s paired with the
OME 60027 shocks with no added weight in the rear. It was a very harsh ride. So, not knowing enough about suspension systems and how they work, I swapped out the 891s for a pair of LC 8 wraps. The ride was a little better, but still jarring over even the smallest of bumps. After doing some more research, I found that the biggest culprit of the harsh ride was the shocks. I ordered Bilstein 5100s and paired them with the OME 891s (too much rake from the LC coils for my taste). The shocks are part # 24-100144 made for the rear of the 99-2006 Tundra with 0-2" of lift.

Immediately after installing them back in March 2013 I could feel a difference. They are valved much softer than the OME 60027s. They have a great ride on and off road. Small bumps are no longer jarring at all. And they have a great range of motion.

This is good info. I'd like to hear from more runner guys who had shocks OTHER than OME, ie. bilys, LCs, RCs, etc.

 

[tre9er]

Argh, so now I'm looking at either the 891's for $115 shipped, or 7.5 wraps for $70-$80 shipped. My big problem is that the LCs will be more of a lift, which means more front lift needed, which shoots down my plan to re-use the stock coils with 5100's on the fifth perch...so really, now I'm getting TRD coils, which is costing me more than the difference between the 891's and the LCs...

I'd like to feel like if I put some good rear shocks, properly valved, that the 891's will be OK. I wonder if LC rear shocks can tame the 891s, or RCs...?