Plug and Play Rear Camera Override Dongle

bjohnston115

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Greetings 4th Gens,

I am from the 5th Gen forum and have developed a plug and play dongle which allows you to view the rear camera whenever you want (not just in reverse). The dongle will work for you if you have the factory screen in your dash with a backup camera. All you need to do is add a switch and supply 12v, no cutting or splicing into factory wires is required. Checkout the thread from the 5th gen forum and my website in my signature.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/214681-plug-play-rear-camera-override-dongle.html

Thanks! Reach out with questions!

This will also work on other Toy vehicles (Taco, Tundra, Camry, etc.)
 
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What exactly is needed to "wire" the dongle. It appears to have 2 leads coming off of the harness. What exactly do we need to connect them to? do you have a wiring diagram? You don't seem to say how they are connected in your other thread, just that they go to a switch.

In your opening post you say you've "developed a plug and play dongle which allows you to view the rear camera whenever you want" What it looks like you made is just a an extension so that people don't have to cut the factory harness not a nearly a complete solution. It is important to note that in order for this to work people need to also buy a single pole double throw switch and wire it correctly.

Which the instructions on how to do this have been available for a long time here:Toyota 4Runner Anytime Backup Camera Mod

45$ seems a bit pricey for a a few lengths of wire and 2 connectors... specially when it isn't a complete solution. Now if you offered it with a switch, and harness to hook it up that would be what I call a "plug and play" solution.
 
What exactly is needed to "wire" the dongle. It appears to have 2 leads coming off of the harness. What exactly do we need to connect them to? do you have a wiring diagram? You don't seem to say how they are connected in your other thread, just that they go to a switch.

In your opening post you say you've "developed a plug and play dongle which allows you to view the rear camera whenever you want" What it looks like you made is just a an extension so that people don't have to cut the factory harness not a nearly a complete solution. It is important to note that in order for this to work people need to also buy a single pole double throw switch and wire it correctly.

Which the instructions on how to do this have been available for a long time here:Toyota 4Runner Anytime Backup Camera Mod

45$ seems a bit pricey for a a few lengths of wire and 2 connectors... specially when it isn't a complete solution. Now if you offered it with a switch, and harness to hook it up that would be what I call a "plug and play" solution.


Thanks for the feedback. I do not include a switch because different people like to use different switches and this leave the option up to them. This was designed for the 5th gen 4runner but the harness will plug into 4th gens with the proper setup. ANY Single pole ON-OFF switch will work and either wire can go to either terminal, you are just completing the circuit. I am more than happy to offer support for anyone needing it.

As far as the price goes, I am making a small profit on these, which i assure you anyone selling you a product is doing as well. If you are able to source the parts needed for this cheaper than please do so. They are hard to find, and hard to get, and not as cheap as you may think. I think $450 for a snorkel is too much, we all have our opinions.

Again, thanks for your comments.
 
ANY Single pole ON-OFF switch will work and either wire can go to either terminal, you are just completing the circuit. I am more than happy to offer support for anyone needing it.

UGHHH there is nothing worse than someone selling something that they don't even understand how it works.

This is not true. You need a single pole double throw. Not a single pole single throw. What this means for people who don't know much about electronics:
ignoring whatever contacts there may be to provide light and and a ground a single pole single throw has only two contacts and by pushing the button it either breaks or completes the circuit. Where as a single pole double throw, has 3 contacts call them 1, 2 and 3. 1(2) output and 2(1,3) inputs or vice-versa. when you have the switch in its activated position, it completes the circuit 2 to 1 and breaks the circuit 2 to 3. when it is in the deactivated state it breaks the circuit 2 to 1 and completes the 2 to 3 circuit.

This is very important because the wire to the back of the head unit needs to see a 12V signal. That's what triggers it to turn on the camera. Basically the way the switch needs to be wired is the lead from the back of the radio would get connected to pin 2. The other lead needs to get connected to the normally closed contact(pin 3 from my example). And a 12V power source needs to be connected to the normally open contact(pin 1) in my example.

If you mix up the two leads you will have created a switch that turns on your reverse lights when ever you want them.

Also a better way to control whether the reverse camera is to install a diode inline and a single wire lead coming off as a splice on the headunit side of the diode. That single lead could then truly be hooked up to to ANY normally open single pole single throw(SPST), or single pole double throw(SPDT) with the other lead being connected to a 12V source. The diode would stop the 12V signal from the switch from traveling back through the car's circuitry and turning on your reverse lights.


Lastly I will touch on cost. (All pricing is from mouser, but digikey sells it too) and this is using the exact connectors that will interface with the oem harness which uses 3 of the 5 pins.
Male pin connector $0.10 each (need 3)
Female pin connector $0.10 each (need 3)
5 pin female receptacle $0.19 each(need 1)
5 pin male rececptacle $0.36 each(need 1)
1000 feet of wire $411.71(lets be generous and assume 10 feet of wire is used per "dongle")

wire loom (to make it look nice) $140.84 per 100 feet (assume 8 ft per assembly)
head shrink to go along with wire loom $1.26 per 36in lengths(probably need 6in per assembly)

Then you need a crimping and cutting tool. those you can get a basic one for around 60$ or you can get a really nice one for about 125$ but you only need to buy these once.

If he makes just 1 dongle it costs him a lot! (even if he only gets 100 feet of wire for 60$) but if he were to instead make 100 dongles at one time. Which is probably about average for production materials. He doesn't have to assemble them all at once. Total cost of materials is $2081.53(20.81 per harness) and assuming he wanted to get the nice crimps that makes the cost of materials per harness $20.81 the most expensive thing in this is the wire loom. If you instead used 3 zip ties per foot you could eliminate the wire loom and heat shrink and get the cost down to $759.11 or $7.59.
 
UGHHH there is nothing worse than someone selling something that they don't even understand how it works.

This is not true. You need a single pole double throw. Not a single pole single throw. What this means for people who don't know much about electronics:
ignoring whatever contacts there may be to provide light and and a ground a single pole single throw has only two contacts and by pushing the button it either breaks or completes the circuit. Where as a single pole double throw, has 3 contacts call them 1, 2 and 3. 1(2) output and 2(1,3) inputs or vice-versa. when you have the switch in its activated position, it completes the circuit 2 to 1 and breaks the circuit 2 to 3. when it is in the deactivated state it breaks the circuit 2 to 1 and completes the 2 to 3 circuit.

This is very important because the wire to the back of the head unit needs to see a 12V signal. That's what triggers it to turn on the camera. Basically the way the switch needs to be wired is the lead from the back of the radio would get connected to pin 2. The other lead needs to get connected to the normally closed contact(pin 3 from my example). And a 12V power source needs to be connected to the normally open contact(pin 1) in my example.

If you mix up the two leads you will have created a switch that turns on your reverse lights when ever you want them.

Also a better way to control whether the reverse camera is to install a diode inline and a single wire lead coming off as a splice on the headunit side of the diode. That single lead could then truly be hooked up to to ANY normally open single pole single throw(SPST), or single pole double throw(SPDT) with the other lead being connected to a 12V source. The diode would stop the 12V signal from the switch from traveling back through the car's circuitry and turning on your reverse lights.


Lastly I will touch on cost. (All pricing is from mouser, but digikey sells it too) and this is using the exact connectors that will interface with the oem harness which uses 3 of the 5 pins.
Male pin connector $0.10 each (need 3)
Female pin connector $0.10 each (need 3)
5 pin female receptacle $0.19 each(need 1)
5 pin male rececptacle $0.36 each(need 1)
1000 feet of wire $411.71(lets be generous and assume 10 feet of wire is used per "dongle")

wire loom (to make it look nice) $140.84 per 100 feet (assume 8 ft per assembly)
head shrink to go along with wire loom $1.26 per 36in lengths(probably need 6in per assembly)

Then you need a crimping and cutting tool. those you can get a basic one for around 60$ or you can get a really nice one for about 125$ but you only need to buy these once.

If he makes just 1 dongle it costs him a lot! (even if he only gets 100 feet of wire for 60$) but if he were to instead make 100 dongles at one time. Which is probably about average for production materials. He doesn't have to assemble them all at once. Total cost of materials is $2081.53(20.81 per harness) and assuming he wanted to get the nice crimps that makes the cost of materials per harness $20.81 the most expensive thing in this is the wire loom. If you instead used 3 zip ties per foot you could eliminate the wire loom and heat shrink and get the cost down to $759.11 or $7.59.

You have too much time on your hands man. Do yourself and everyone else a favor and stop going out of your way just to be an *******. You are not the smartest guy here (and I am not saying I am either).

The dongle has a diode inline to prevent the back flow of electricity into the main circuit so it does not turn your reverse lights on (or anything else). Having said that... ANY single pole switch will work.

As far as pricing, i guess i have it all wrong and I am getting ripped off with my supplier pricing. I am also paying myself $5,000 an hour so that's why i need to charge so much.

If anyone is interested please let me know, I would be happy to answer your questions so you do not need to make assumptions like the jackass above.
 
You have too much time on your hands man. Do yourself and everyone else a favor and stop going out of your way just to be an *******. You are not the smartest guy here (and I am not saying I am either).

The dongle has a diode inline to prevent the back flow of electricity into the main circuit so it does not turn your reverse lights on (or anything else). Having said that... ANY single pole switch will work.

As far as pricing, i guess i have it all wrong and I am getting ripped off with my supplier pricing. I am also paying myself $5,000 an hour so that's why i need to charge so much.

If anyone is interested please let me know, I would be happy to answer your questions so you do not need to make assumptions like the jackass above.

I'm not trying to be a ******. Clearly you are over defensive about it, which means I'm probably not the only person who has said you are over charging for it. And please point out where I tried to claim that I am the smartest person? All I did was provide more detailed information to inform other members on this forum so that they can make the best decision.

Now I am genuinely curious. If you have the diode, why does it appear to have 2 wires coming off of the harness?
 

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