Question about 2021 standard LED headlights.

[Redsoxx1918]

I replaced the stock halogens in my 2019 Pro with the Morimoto 2stroke LEDs. I couldn’t stand the look of having halogen headlights with the stock LED fogs. Super easy install and they have been reliable. It gives the truck a much better look, but as I’ve been using them for a while now, I’m not all that thrilled with the light output. It really seems to be about equal to what I was getting with the stock halogens, but just a nice white color. So...my question is...does anyone know if Toyota is using the stock projector housing and just sticking their own LED bulbs in there, or it a redesigned housing? If they are using the stock housing, I imagine that we’d be able to buy the Toyota LED bulbs and make a simple swap? I’m wondering which manufacturer is making the LED headlight bulbs for Toyota.


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[rageandlove]

I'm not sure we know yet. I do think that if it's an easy change, thousands of us will be making the move.

 

[llDemonll]

Chances are they will re-do the housings. LED emit light differently than halogens and will take a slightly different housing to properly distribute the light.

 

[CollinJ]

Chances are they will re-do the housings. LED emit light differently than halogens and will take a slightly different housing to properly distribute the light.

Agreed, if Toyota just throws an LED bulb in.... that’s a huge let down and mistake IMO by Toyota.

They will probably add in non-replaceable LED modules that are a sealed unit like some manufacturers already do.

Everyone is just assuming these are going to be amazing too without having seen them in action. They could be a massive let down like the halogens are.

 

[Axix23]

This is million dollar question that we are all waiting for. Lol

 

[Redsoxx1918]

Agreed, if Toyota just throws an LED bulb in.... that’s a huge let down and mistake IMO by Toyota.

They will probably add in non-replaceable LED modules that are a sealed unit like some manufacturers already do.

Everyone is just assuming these are going to be amazing too without having seen them in action. They could be a massive let down like the halogens are.

Perhaps. I don’t think it’s possible to get great results with the existing housing and LED bulbs. If there is a new housing, maybe it will be an easy retrofit.


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[BIGpharma]

I'm not sure we know yet. I do think that if it's an easy change, thousands of us will be making the move.

I did that when the new subaru wrx’s came with LED headlights.. paid like $1800 for a pair from the dealer. LOL

 

[DallasTRDPro]

I'm either do the OEM swap or Alpharex.

 

[Angelo]

Swap-in LEDs won't ever work well in the OEM projectors, they're essentially crap. If you're set on going with LED, only a full retrofit to an LED projector (like those done by Kustom54) OR a whole new light housing (like one from Xenon Depot) will work.

 

[RichinRidgewood]

Here is the thread on this. When the parts are available and there is a procedure on what’s required to make the change it will be posted here.


2021 4Runner OEM LED Headlights/Lights Performance and Retrofit

 

[Josan]

I have a 21 on order so I hope the LEDs are nice. They did a great job on the 20 TRD Pro Tacoma LEDs so Im hoping the 4R follows suit.

 

[ajonesaz]

I am anxiously stalking my Toyota dealer for when the 2021's come in. I am interested to see if the new headlights are plug and play compatible. Crossing my fingers

 

[Sunnyday]

I have a 21 on order so I hope the LEDs are nice. They did a great job on the 20 TRD Pro Tacoma LEDs so Im hoping the 4R follows suit.

I am waiting for the '21 because of LED's too. Can you share your waiting time for the order and were you able to get any discount?

 

[jimday1982]

I am waiting for the '21 because of LED's too. Can you share your waiting time for the order and were you able to get any discount?

Just to give you another data point, I also have a deposit down on a 2021 - should be picking it up next week.

Couldn't get much of a discount...less than $1,000 off MSRP.

 

[cb1111]

I replaced the stock halogens in my 2019 Pro with the Morimoto 2stroke LEDs. I couldn’t stand the look of having halogen headlights with the stock LED fogs. Super easy install and they have been reliable. It gives the truck a much better look, but as I’ve been using them for a while now, I’m not all that thrilled with the light output. It really seems to be about equal to what I was getting with the stock halogens, but just a nice white color. So...my question is...does anyone know if Toyota is using the stock projector housing and just sticking their own LED bulbs in there, or it a redesigned housing? If they are using the stock housing, I imagine that we’d be able to buy the Toyota LED bulbs and make a simple swap? I’m wondering which manufacturer is making the LED headlight bulbs for Toyota.


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Most everyone here is missing the point on headlights, but this guy gets it.

The purpose of headlights is to make the truck look good. Light output and safety are really insignificant but would be "nice to have".

And this is the reason that I frequently post in lighting threads.

Toyota can't just stick LEDs in the current housings and call it a day. They have spent at least two years testing the lighting units and they will deliver a lighting unit that meets the Federal requirements - something no aftermarket unit can do.

 

[Srsd2850]

Light output and safety

Most everyone here is missing the point on headlights, but this guy gets it.

The purpose of headlights is to make the truck look good. Light output and safety are really insignificant but would be "nice to have".

And this is the reason that I frequently post in lighting threads.

Toyota can't just stick LEDs in the current housings and call it a day. They have spent at least two years testing the lighting units and they will deliver a lighting unit that meets the Federal requirements - something no aftermarket unit can do.

I would like to see a focus on safety, but expect Toyota will be going for what sells the most units at a price point. Lights that look good in the showroom and on the test drive. Throwing a lot of white light everywhere without focus is a distraction to oncoming traffic and gives little distance. There’s a reason that led replacement bulbs in halogen housings aren’t street legal. Performance in inclement weather, and heat to help melt snow and ice, are rarely considered. I think some of us are still better served by high performance halogens. It will be interesting to see what capabilities the new headlights offer.

 

[cb1111]

I would like to see a focus on safety, but expect Toyota will be going for what sells the most units at a price point. Lights that look good in the showroom and on the test drive. Throwing a lot of white light everywhere without focus is a distraction to oncoming traffic and gives little distance. There’s a reason that led replacement bulbs in halogen housings aren’t street legal. Performance in inclement weather, and heat to help melt snow and ice, are rarely considered. I think some of us are still better served by high performance halogens. It will be interesting to see what capabilities the new headlights offer.

I agree. In Europe, HIDs require washers and LEDs require heaters.

HID low beam lighting (from the factory - not for the 4R) probably gives the best performance when paired with halogen highs, but LEDs are the light of the day because it looks cool and lasts forever.

Halogen lows are obviously quite effective - for the 4R using the high performance bulbs.

The lighting engineers today would design a HID low/halogen high. In a few years, they will be designing laser lighting. LEDs are an interim measure.

 

[robertcladner50]

I replaced the stock halogens in my 2019 Pro with the Morimoto 2stroke LEDs. I couldn’t stand the look of having halogen headlights with the stock LED fogs. Super easy install and they have been reliable. It gives the truck a much better look, but as I’ve been using them for a while now, I’m not all that thrilled with the light output. It really seems to be about equal to what I was getting with the stock halogens, but just a nice white color. So...my question is...does anyone know if Toyota is using the stock projector housing and just sticking their own LED bulbs in there, or it a redesigned housing? If they are using the stock housing, I imagine that we’d be able to buy the Toyota LED bulbs and make a simple swap? I’m wondering which manufacturer is making the LED headlight bulbs for Toyota.

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No. LED headlight conversion kits are only designed to work with stock halogen bulbs and assemblies.