Running with 4x4 on all the time. Pros/Cons

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Hey gang!

I have a 97 4runner limited and my 4x4 had decided to act up in this past month.
I went mildly off-roading(literally just snow running along some very mild mountain trails) but was using my 4x4 in low(not using rear locker).
Every was good, not getting stuck or anything, disengaged normally, drove home all tickity-boo.

Que the next day, my 4x4 refuses to engage. No flashing light, no clicking, no sounds, just no engagement of the 4x4.

This went on for about a month. I went through all the vacuum lines and all the wiring I could reach/locate with the help of many members on here. No change.

Recently I took the old girl for a 300km trip on the highway, lo and behold here I am at home and she is engaging easily again.

So, all that said, what are the biggest downsides to leaving 4x4 engaged full time other than extra tire/tranny wear and lower mileage?

Also, does anyone have some ideas/advice on what may have been happening here?

Thanks!
 
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Mileage doesn't get affected as far as I can tell. I drove my 2001 in 2WD most of the way from Utah to Colorado over spring break to test the mileage difference and there wasn't any. That was also the first and last time it will have been in 2WD in it's 140k miles.

Nothing weird seems to happen with it always on, I mean it is a full time 4WD vehicle by nature.
 
I kind of figured it would be ok as the truck is, more or less, designed for such use.
I'll be sure to be more active on maintenance with the increase in usage, but at least I'll know I have 4x4 when/if I need it on the trails.
 
So, all that said, what are the biggest downsides to leaving 4x4 engaged full time other than extra tire/tranny wear and lower mileage?


I kind of figured it would be ok as the truck is, more or less, designed for such use.


:jaw: CORRECTION it IS NOT designed for full time use. In fact the owners manual says to use 4WD only on non-pavement or when in wet/icy conditions ... basically the opposite of what you said. :llama:
 
You sir have a 97, which does not have multimode 4wd/awd, which in turn means it is a part time 4wd vehicle. (It's call that for a reason.)

You will have very wide turns (understeer) and dangerous handling on pavement.

Also YES your MPG WILL GO DOWN, just think about it, it's turning an extra gearbox/transfercase. (drag)

You will have extra wear and tear on your truck by doing this, in the long term you will end up not having a 4wd at all because it's not a full time 4wd/awd truck.

You will also experience binding.

Why are you wanting to leave it in 4wd anyways? I would find your problem and fix it, then just leaving it on.
 
A 2001 has a center differential that will allow some slip between the front and rear axles, the 97 does not.

You should not run in 4wd on dry roads due the the traction that will cause driveline buildup/bind. This can cause some parts to wear excessively fast. The items that come to mind are the front diff, u-joints, transfer case, tires, steering parts.

There have been known cases of a true 4wd vehicle, like ours, causing strange handling which was determined to be the cause of rollover accidents.

I would not drive in 4wd all the time.

I have driven thousands of miles in 4Lo while offroad.
 
Exactly why I was posting my experience and looking for any ideas on what may be wrong with it. :)

I will definitely take all advice to heart, I was unaware of that difference between the v1/v2 3rd gens :)
 
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Since we're on the topic, I have a 02 with the multi/awd and a center diff lock button. When using the awd the center diff should be unlocked correct?
 
Since we're on the topic, I have a 02 with the multi/awd and a center diff lock button. When using the awd the center diff should be unlocked correct?

That's right. You want to allow the center diff to allow the front and rear axles to differentiate in speed....so it doesn't bind.

If you lock it it would be like having just the part-time 4wd system....so you'd have the binding.
 
OP, see this great post:

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...rs-3rd-gens-transfer-case-awd-multi-mode.html


It seems like this question comes up a lot, especially for new buyers so I figured I would make a thread.

The Differences in Transfer Cases and Shifting In/Out of the 4WD Modes for the 3rd Generation 4Runner:

'96-00 SR5s and 5 speed models.. (standard "J" t-case shifter)
1st position: 2HI
2nd position: 4HI (locked only)
N
3rd position: 4LO
96sr5tcaseshifter.jpg~original


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'96-98 Limiteds...
1st position: 2HI with a push-button on the shifter to engage 4HI (locked only)
N
2nd position: 4LO
96limitedtcaseshifter.jpg~original


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'99 and '00 Limteds...
1st position: 2HI with a push-button on the shifter to engage AWD (aka 4HI unlocked)
2nd position: 4HI locked
N
3rd position: 4LO locked
00limitedtcaseshifter.jpg~original


(Note: On any of the above models, if the vehicle has a rear locker also, it will be controlled by a separate switch on the dash.)

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The '01s and '02s...
1st position: HI range with a push button on the shifter to choose between 2HI and 4HI (locked or unlocked CDL is controlled by a separate switch on the dash)
N
2nd position: 4LO (locked or unlocked CDL still controlled by the dash switch)
01tcaseshifter.jpg~original

^^ '1s/02s have basically the same shifter as the '96-98 Limiteds, but with the addition of the center diff locker switch (below)..
Difflockbuttoncenter.jpg~original


(Note: There were no rear lockers available in any '01s or '02s.)

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What is the difference between all these modes? (When to use what)

2HI: For normal driving conditions.

4HI Center Diff Unlocked... a.k.a. AWD or Multi-mode (if equipped): This feature is best used on wet roads or roads with patchy snow/ice when your vehicle has full traction most of the time, but may loose traction at random points on the road. This feature allows the t-case to slip when it would normally bind in standard 4WD. You may also travel up to ~80 mph in this mode and shift on-the-fly at up to 62 mph. This mode can also be used in any conditions or on any type of road surface (dry or wet), but it will use more gas so it's better to use 2HI unless you need the extra traction.

THE CENTER DIFF LOCKER DOES NOT PROVIDE ANY MORE OFF ROAD ABILITY THAN A NORMAL 4X4!
Why? To get the most traction on dirt or other surfaces that already allow the tires to slip, you would want to have the center diff locked. The trail provides the slippage, so the "diff" inside the transfer case doesn't have to. This is the same exact thing that a standard 4x4 t-case does. So..
CD Locked = 4x4 (good for off road or consistent snow/ice)
CD Unlocked = AWD (good for slippery conditions on road ..wet, patchy ice, etc..)

4HI Center Diff Locked... a.k.a. Standard 4HI: To be used when 2HI or AWD don't provide enough traction and more is needed. It should also only be used when there is sufficient slip - snow/ice, dirt/mud, loose gravel/sand, standing water, etc.. On models with the standard t-case (J-shifter), shifting into 4HI can be done on-the-fly safely up to 30 mph on some 3rd gen models and up to 50 mph on other models (refer to the card in your sun visor for your particular speed recommandations). You should not exceed 50 mph while driving in 4HI in any model with the standard t-case (J-shifter). On the later model 3rd gens ('99+ Limiteds and all '01s and '02s), you can shift into this mode and stay in 4HI (locked) up to 63 mph.

4LO: To be used when the conditions call for even more traction than 4HI will give. This mode should also only be used when there is sufficient slip on the road. When in 4LO, the gearing actually changes in the t-case to a lower ratio so you will have much more torque. This extra torque is very helpful in low traction or steep conditions, but it also makes it easier to break drivetrain components so it should always be used in low-speed conditons and should never be used while turning sharply on dry pavement. Shifting into 4LO must be done while fully stopped and in "N".

Diff Lockers - Front and Rear (not to be confused with the center diff locker): For the absolute maximum traction you can get, a diff locker (or lockers) can be installed. There are several different kinds and brands, but Toyota offered the selectable rear elocker in the 3rd gen 4Runners from '96-00 as an option. When the elocker is off, it functions as a normal "open" diff. When the elocker is engaged it become a spool which locks both tires on that axle together. That means both tires must spin together at the same speed.

When the diff is open, if one of the tires is being restricted then all of the power will go to the other tire (the one with least resistance). This means one tire will spin and the other will stay put. If you lock the diff in this situation it will force the tire that is stationary to move with the spinning tire and therefore your traction just doubled. More often than not, the locker will get you out of situations that will get you stuck with an open diff.

Although they were not offered by the factory, a locker can also be installed into the front diff. This does the same thing in the front that the elocker does for the rear axle. If both front and rear lockers are engaged, all 4 tires will spin together. No slippage will be allowed to happen so although you have the utmost traction available, it is also the hardest circumstances on the drivetrain so it should only be used in situations where the conditions will allow the wheels to slip (i.e. snow, mud, etc..) or when already stuck.

There are many options for aftermarket diff lockers for both the front and rear, but I will not go into that since it is another topic altogether.


*Thank you to BruceB83 for suggesting to add the info about using the different 4x4 modes and Qyota for his info on what speeds and conditions the modes should be used for.*
 
4X4 is not so great going around corners on pavement- your truck will be skipping/skidding/shuddering on turns as the tires fight the drivetrain. Aside from being rough on your tires and/or truck, I doubt 4X4 is very safe in city driving or traffic as handling would be affected.
 

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