So the 4runner fails headlight tests with a "poor" rating

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You should do a LOT of reading before you start swapping anything out in your truck. I've tried to gather a lot of the wisdom on this forum into the thread linked in my sig. Hopefully there's some decent information for you there, save money and headache.

Killer write-up Angelo. Definitely a lot of food for thought. Gave me pause.


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no surprise, i was terrified the first time i drove at night in a 4runner. HID upgrade was an immediate must.
 
Xtreme and no canbus, they had a 20% off coupon code that basically made the phillips upgrade free.

Yeah they have a 15% right now. My concern after reading Angelo's thread is the projector. Seems like the best thing to do is also swap out the projector.



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Yeah they have a 15% right now. My concern after reading Angelo's thread is the projector. Seems like the best thing to do is also swap out the projector.



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You could do that. I plan to do this later on down the road myself, but given that my truck is only 3 weeks old, id hate to tear the headlights apart.
 
Funny thing is the reflector headlight on the 10-13 4Runner's performs much better than the projector housings on the current year trucks. The projector halogens on the new Tacomas are also better than the 4Runner.. can't explain why they did this.

I agree, I noticed this immediately when I went from my 2013 to 2016, 2013 far superior stock
 
They work fine for those of us that dont need glasses. I swear HID's look like high beams. Some of you are blind as bats
 
For those of us who have retrofitted our rigs, we say, "yeah, so? Anyway........"

LOL

The US department of Transportation guidelines to manufactures on headlights is piss poor. Something needs to change, hopefully with reports like this, this will make them change. So many advanced headlights available in Europe (Audi, Merc, etc) are not allowed in the U.S.

This. The DOT is so far behind Euro, TUV, etc. standards it's silly.
 
You can just purchase an HID kit from xenondepot, I just ordered the 4300k kit with the phillips bulbs. This is my first non luxury car in 14 years and I'm getting used to not having all the features I used to have. However audio and HID's are a must, luckily both are easy to address.

don't forget aftermarket wheels and tires and sliders and auxillary lighting and intakes and...... damn it this truck is gonna suck my wallet dry
 
don't forget aftermarket wheels and tires and sliders and auxillary lighting and intakes and...... damn it this truck is gonna suck my wallet dry

That same day I ordered the whole TRD pro exterior parts and the pro wheels the week before lol. Just need tires and suspension and oem audio plus now and then maybe a few more things down the road...
 
4runner is rated dead last in non-luxury SUV's. I don't know, for me they seem adequate, but I don't drive anything else for comparison. They are rated worse on curves that straights. Can anything (inexpensively) be done to improve them?


Full review list here.

4runner review here.



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I have the 2011 year that does not have HID's. With that being said, as far as light output, I couldn't be happier. I did a mod that was posted on this forum. I purchased high beam bulbs, cut the tabs and they fit for regular bulb spot. Work amazing. Had this for 2 years now, and no one flashes me either.

As far as design of headlights, they are no good. Due to them sticking out so much and not angling down, they "fog up" and get hazy over time.
 
I have the 2011 year that does not have HID's. With that being said, as far as light output, I couldn't be happier. I did a mod that was posted on this forum. I purchased high beam bulbs, cut the tabs and they fit for regular bulb spot. Work amazing. Had this for 2 years now, and no one flashes me either.

As far as design of headlights, they are no good. Due to them sticking out so much and not angling down, they "fog up" and get hazy over time.

You shouldn't get flashed with HID's if they're done correctly and adjusted properly and the light output with HID's would be a significant improvement. If you're happy, then that's all that matters but more light output means you see more resulting in an improvement from a safety perspective as well.
 
They work fine for those of us that dont need glasses. I swear HID's look like high beams. Some of you are blind as bats

I'm kind of with you on this. While they're not perfect, I felt like mine were an upgrade from the Jeep Wrangler headlights.

The one thing that baffles me about this report is the discussion of glare. It just seems very vague. Sure, they chart the beam distance for a certain lux. Cool. But how is the glare? What are you doing to the other drivers on the road? There's not enough discussion of that.

I'll be honest. I live in urban San Diego and I see idiots with what sure as hell seems like high beams on all the damn time in areas with ample street lighting. It's stupid. You're not gaining anything. If anything, you're making the situation LESS safe by running ultra-bright lights.

And if you're driving someplace at a time when visibility is iffy..... here's a magic tip:

SLOW THE EFF DOWN.

If you're really concerned about your lights and visibility, focus and light adjustments should be the first thing you do. Making sure the lights are set to illuminate the road properly in front of you. (Shout-out to Angelo for the excellent write-up which includes links for doing this.... excellent write-up!)

I have to agree with a couple people on the issue that DOT is woefully behind on this. Light tech has come a ways but the regulations for it are antiquated.
 
Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply

Read that website before doing anything with your headlights.

The number one thing that helped me was to turn OFF the foglights. The way the human eye works, 99% of fog lights brighten the road up close, which causes the pupil in the eye to constrict and lessen the eye's ability to see further in the dark.

I corresponded with Daniel via email and he recommended the Philips H11 XTreme Vision bulbs for the low beams for the 4Runner.
 
Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply

Read that website before doing anything with your headlights.

The number one thing that helped me was to turn OFF the foglights. The way the human eye works, 99% of fog lights brighten the road up close, which causes the pupil in the eye to constrict and lessen the eye's ability to see further in the dark.

I corresponded with Daniel via email and he recommended the Philips H11 XTreme Vision bulbs for the low beams for the 4Runner.

Some good info on that. The one part that I was delighted to see relayed accurately is this:

"That's the key point: fog lamps are meant to be used in heavy fog, rain, or snow to help the driver see the edges of the road close to the car so s/he can safely make progress through foul weather at very low speeds. "

Most of the time I see people with fogs on.... they're going at much higher speeds than intended or useful, and in conditions that really don't warrant the use. They're really almost like a "poor man's crawling lights" (well, if used properly).
 
I'm kind of with you on this. While they're not perfect, I felt like mine were an upgrade from the Jeep Wrangler headlights.

The one thing that baffles me about this report is the discussion of glare. It just seems very vague. Sure, they chart the beam distance for a certain lux. Cool. But how is the glare? What are you doing to the other drivers on the road? There's not enough discussion of that.

I'll be honest. I live in urban San Diego and I see idiots with what sure as hell seems like high beams on all the damn time in areas with ample street lighting. It's stupid. You're not gaining anything. If anything, you're making the situation LESS safe by running ultra-bright lights.

And if you're driving someplace at a time when visibility is iffy..... here's a magic tip:

SLOW THE EFF DOWN.

If you're really concerned about your lights and visibility, focus and light adjustments should be the first thing you do. Making sure the lights are set to illuminate the road properly in front of you. (Shout-out to Angelo for the excellent write-up which includes links for doing this.... excellent write-up!)

I have to agree with a couple people on the issue that DOT is woefully behind on this. Light tech has come a ways but the regulations for it are antiquated.
As long as you make sure they are aimed properly there is no glare issue with HIDs in factory projectors.

The stock bulbs are unsafe, and I don't feel safe doing 45 in a 65 at night because I can't see far enough down the road with the shit factory bulbs

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no surprise, i was terrified the first time i drove at night in a 4runner. HID upgrade was an immediate must.

Look, I miss the HID's from my GTI and plan on upgrading the 4Runner..but "terrified"? Does your wife have to kill spiders for you too?
 
Look, I miss the HID's from my GTI and plan on upgrading the 4Runner..but "terrified"? Does your wife have to kill spiders for you too?
Does your boyfriend drive too fast at night even though you can only see 1 second ahead?

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Does your boyfriend drive too fast at night even though you can only see 1 second ahead?

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I'm just wondering if you've ever driven anything built before, say, 2005? I mean, I wouldn't consider myself "old" at 35 but I've owned and driven cars built in the 60's and 70's with shit headlights, lap belts and no airbags without getting "terrified." I'm all for safety and new technology but jeez man grow an effin pair.:Cry:
 
This is the only vehicle newer than 2005 that I've owned, and it has the worst headlights out of all of them

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