Stuck in CO argentine pass

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off side chute 248-2c up a mile or so from the mine area. its a left hand turn as you go up, maybe half mi up there. sinking in snow, stacked rocks, branches, shoveled... continue to sink. havent seen anyone in hrs and just need a quick yank or winch aid. have snatch strap. any help would be incredibly appreciated. i have warm stuff and water so i should be okay for a while. spotty service but 757-773-5935 if anyone can help. texts seem to be a little more reliable. will update if i find someone or walk all the way down to try another day.

infinite thanks
 
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I don't know where Argentine pass is in relation to anybody on this list from the Help thread... [MENTION=24995]SV_Dude[/MENTION]?

hungryeddy - Arvada, CO (Locker, recovery equipment, imaginarium)
snivilous - Boulder, CO (May - August, and December)
Footofgod - Colorado Springs, CO (Winch, recovery gear)
McFly2003 - Colorado Springs, CO (Winch, some recovery gear)
cdrewferd - Denver, CO
WaySlowWhitey - Denver, CO (Help with parts, tools, beer, but not a very good shoulder to cry on)
EatonKyleH - Fort Collins, CO (ASE Certified Tech)
TCMach - Fort Collins, CO (Mucho recovery gear)
cacoghill - Grand Junction, CO
Jeremy556 - Grand Junction, CO (til Sept 1, 2013 Then Edwards, CO) (also in Moab and Ouray area most weekends)
MrHentoni - Littleton/Castle Rock, CO (Recovery gear, tools - (720) 938-7810)
Stockwell45 - Rangely, CO
steezemcqueen - Superior, CO (Locked, 35's, Winch, Recovery gear & assets)
 
From a quick search, google is telling me that it's west of Denver. I wish I can help but I have to leave for work soon. Working nights kind of sucks sometimes.
 
Can't make it out myself, but I linked this thread to the Colorado section of Tacoma World.

Hope you get out before too long.
 
I figure a little follow up is appropriate. Day started with a 3.5 mile walk to my car after sleeping on a friend's couch, decided it was a good idea to relax and see some scenery doing a trail I had done before, last summer.

Everything was good until I got up to about 12,000 feet on the shelf road and snowdrifts began blocking the trail. Went through the ones that others had gone through, but at a certain point it was just covering 90% of the trail. No problem, backed up, turned around, started heading down. My error: saw a side chute that I figured I'd hit just for fun, it was an interior trail away from the steep hillside. It was pretty rocky and I was suddenly faced with a 16 foot long section of snow. Decided I didn't want to have to back down the quarter of a mile to the main shelf road but there was a nice turn around spot/dead end at just across the show. Easily made it across, turned around, but coming back things went awry. I started sliding off where the road was and my passenger side started sinking rapidly in to the deep stuff.

Anyway, I had seen this little Toyota (pre tacoma I believe) putzing around on three separate occasions but he was like a speck, no way to yell to him, and figured he had probably left by the time I was posting this thread. Walked down to the main basin (about a mile) figuring I'd see some folks turning around there, but it started snowing again and getting windy, so I walked back up. Tried even more tricks, shoveled for 45 minutes, no dice. Once again walked down the hill and saw a Suburban, but knew he was a little too big to get down the trail to me. Told him if I'm still wandering around when he's leaving that I'd appreciate a ride down the mountain (10 miles) and we parted ways. I waited some more at the basin, once again walked up to 4runner only to find the Suburban on a separate side chute with a flat tire. This is when the little Toyota guy appeared, helped Suburban with tire, and saved me with some come alongs and a little towing. So I guess I walked about 7.5 miles today, two of the miles being up a steep trail, but I'm incredibly happy to have not slept up there and actually made it home in one piece. This post was way too long, so here are some photos.

On the way to the top, snowdrifts blocking more and more of the trail (I backed up and turned around here)

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On the way back down, moments before going down the dreaded chute

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Realizing I was starting to have a problem

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Big problem, before I shoveled nearly the whole damn thing.

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Finally freed and back to the main basin area that I kept walking down to. No pics of the epic recovery because I didn't want to be a jerk while this guy helped me, but he used a come along to pull me backwards a bit and get me on the opposite side of the snow. Then he shoveled in to the dirt quite a ways, a nice line for my drivers side tires. I proceeded across but the ass end started to fall back down in to the deep stuff. He used another come along on the front and helped me get my front wheels to where they needed to be, and the backed his truck up with me connected via strap until I was completely off of the snow. Incredibly awesome guy and the entire bed of his truck was filled with recovery stuff.

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Anyway, tl;dr - thanks to all who chimed in, time to step up my game and do some shopping tonight :) I was pretty confident in running this trail solo since I had done it before and it's pretty mild, but learned my lesson with this lingering summer snow.
 
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I like your sense of adventure. At no time were you in danger so... rock on, hour!
Were you high centered?
What basic tools do you carry? Did you try airing down? I do not know if this would have been a good or bad idea, just wondering.
In the rear cargo hatch I always have a 30' snatch strap, 10' tree/tow strap, couple of lengths of small diameter rope, small emergency kit which includes an insanely loud whistle All-Weather Safety Whistle Company - The Loudest Emergency Whistles and a signal mirror.
Under the rear seat where the tire jack lives is a set of jumper cables, several basic hand tools, couple of 4 3/4 ton shackles.
When offroading I bring a 4 ton come along bc I don't want the weight or expense of a mounted electric winch. 4 tons is its deadlift max, so my 4R is well within its capacity.
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I bring a 4' crowbar I can hammer into the dirt as an anchor if there is not a tree available, a snatch block, and a 125' length of wire winch cable, and a shovel or pickaxe.
CB radio is the one thing I still have not installed yet keep meaning to.
In case I get myself stuck I have a reasonable chance of getting unstuck.
No implied criticism, just sharing my thoughts. I am fundamentally ignorant as I've only had my 4R for 14 months so my preparation and equipment may be unwise, inadequate, and destined to fail.
 

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Yeah, I carry around a certain amount of stuff permanently: snow pants, two pairs of gloves, ski mask, blankets, jumper cables, lighters (gun style one with long barrel, and jet lighter), mess kit, fluids (for me, and car), tow strap, shovel, axe, fire extinguisher, hitch (though off 99% of the time), a come along (was 4 ton from Home Depot, it broke immediately or missed QA or something- but wouldn't have helped much), solar panel, extra fully charged battery, multiple iphone charge cables, inverter, dremel, tool box full of everything I'd need, machette, knife, yadaya. I would have been fine for a night or two up there, but it would have sucked terribly. I have the rear seat bottoms out from Moab last weekend and it'll probably remain that way, so hauling this much stuff isn't a big pain. Also had some pillows, would have been a comfy but cold night followed by missing work Monday.

I really just needed that extra pull from someone else, the tree life was limited in that area and nothing overly sturdy / thick trunked. Oddly enough the guy that rescued me had two 4 ton come alongs, the exact same one that I had. He also had an 8 ton, chain, several straps, and a lot of tricks up his sleeve.

I'll be getting the best come alongs I can find on Amazon, couple more straps, chain, etc... AND finally doing full armor minus maybe the rear bumper, and winch up front. Would prefer have this never happen again and while I can certainly prevent it, I'd feel a lot better knowing I can do more than shovel, stack rocks, and curse my broken come along. Maybe a ground anchor would be wise too.
 
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Your 4 ton come along busted? Did you do a straight pull or did you use the pulley? What failed (pics)? hmmm , maybe I should test mine.
This is the gold standard in come alongs, I think. https://www.wyeth-scott.com/orders.asp
I got this one. Allied HEAVY DUTY DOUBLE GEARED 4-Ton Come Along(CABLE PULLER) at Arizona Tools. The double gear mechanism and customer reviews sold me.
Ground anchor's a good idea. Don't know how effective my crowbar anchor would be. Maybe I'll test it, also.

It was the Maasdam Pow'R Pull 2 ton model, it extended fine and I hooked it up, but wouldn't crank tight after I got things hooked up. I'm not sure if the line was binding somewhere but quickly determined that it wasn't going to be the cure all for my situation. I returned it this morning (pleased with HD's return policy since it had been a while since purchase). Have two of same model in my Amazon cart now actually since I had time to read the reviews, will practice with it in the yard when it arrives. I should definitely practice with the stuff I have before expecting it to work when I really need it. Too many excellent ratings for me to consider it a bunk product. The guy that rescued me actually used the same exact model in the same manner I had with no problems.

Realized I missed some things in your original post, but I wasn't high centered, I had just slid to the side of the trail and had to go up a significant hump and to the left to get back on. There was a pretty deep rut on passenger side down in the dirt, then covered in snow. I had aired down to 18-20 psi before starting the trail. Thought about going lower for the purpose of getting out of the snow but got myself all paranoid about losing the tire. After reading it seems like I probably would have been fine to air down a little more at the time and could have just refilled the second I cleared the snow (oh yeah, my equipment includes a compressor - and like 50 20amp fuses for it).

I'll have to research anchors a little, but I'm not sure where I would have put it if I had one (and a winch or more come alongs). Doesn't seem like it'd work too well on a path full of giant rocks. I do have a CB radio that I installed a little over a week ago, but couldn't hear anyone talking up there. I know it works in traffic and I can pick up truckers and stuff, but it might not be tuned for best performance. If things had gotten really bad, I would have definitely hopped on the emergency channel and tried my luck, or used my phone.

One thing that was concerning, is that while I had anywhere between 3/5 - 5/5 dots for 4G AT&T service, I was still struggling to make this thread, send text messages, or do anything really. Deceptive service! I've noticed that happening in extremely remote areas before, indication of good service but no transmission. I worked with state parks for several years and set up a bunch of portable hotspots in the most remote locations, using a whole slew of antennas (including enormous directionals) and noticed the same, could get <-40dbm and show full bars but still have issues transmitting. Not sure what to make of any of that.

Anyway, lots of gear will be ordered by the end of today - possibly an excess of gear. I figure with all the loose items (shovels, come alongs, straps, chain, you know) that it's 100% not wasted since my intention is to get a new 4runner in addition to my current one. Can always just throw the stuff from one truck to the other. I'm also digging the idea of returning the favor even if it means I have to load up my backpack with gear and walk down to another stuck soul.
 
what I think I know about come along capacity...

It was the Maasdam Pow'R Pull 2 ton model, it extended fine and I hooked it up, but wouldn't crank tight after I got things hooked up. Have two of same model in my Amazon cart now
2 ton? You mention you and the guy having the same 4 ton one, "the guy that rescued me had two 4 ton come alongs, the exact same one that I had."
The max rating is valid when used with the included hook and pulley with the cable doubled back and clipped to the come along... creates a block and tackle to double the pulling power. The straight (deadlift/100% grade/vertical) pulling power is half that. So a 2 ton is good for 1 ton of straight pulling. My 4 ton is good for 2 tons of straight pulling. I assume 5000 lbs as my maximum trail weight, so I assume I will need all 4 tons of capacity. My 4 ton pull length with the cable doubled back is about 7'. My snatch block and extra winch cable should further increase my pulling power, direction of pull options, and anchoring location options. Here is a chart re vertical lifting vs slope angle pulling power. These are smooth slopes, not mountain trails. http://www.grainger.com/tps/material_handling_winch_selection_guide.pdf.
How do trial conditions alter this, say with both passenger side tires off the trail in a ditch? Or a couple of rocks to overcome? I don't know.

Realized I missed some things in your original post
You didn't miss those. I was adding them as you were replying.

Deceptive service! ... indication of good service but no transmission.
I agree

I'm also digging the idea of returning the favor even if it means I have to load up my backpack with gear and walk down to another stuck soul.
Just added myself to this http://www.toyota-4runner.org/gener...-need-help-toyota-4runner-contact-thread.html
 
Good pics. I think if you're going to be pushing your truck that hard you should bite the bullet and get a winch.

Other fun recovery gear that might have helped - an exhaust jack and a set of traction ladders. Not to say that they definitely would have helped, and it's easy to carry too much recovery stuff, but maybe something to look into?
 
2 ton? You mention you and the guy having the same 4 ton one, "the guy that rescued me had two 4 ton come alongs, the exact same one that I had."

Yeah, screwing up tons and lbs. He had two of the same as I had, and one 4 ton/8,000 lb one that he didn't need to bust out. He was definitely prepared, and had a lot of stories to share of recoveries he aided in just in the last month or so. Also, without asking, was basically explaining his intentions with every step. Awesome guy to run in to, but wasn't a member of any message boards nor any offroad groups. Guess him and his buddy like to run single vehicle adventures. I also got the impression that the main guy/driver could take care of himself even if his vehicle took an unrepairable dump and he had to hoof it / survive for a while.

Anyway, got some necessary and other fun gadgetry to carry along today. First, got two enormous totes that should fit side by side in the back of the 4runner, maybe not the most durable things, but at least to keep it organized and dry if moved out of vehicle - one for recovery / first aid, related... the other for camping stuff (cook stove, butane cans, food that doesn't need to be on ice, etc).

Then to stuff the totes in addition to the stuff I already had-

2 x 2 ton come alongs
7mil thick duct tape
Gorilla tape (I guess I'll find out how it compares to standard duct tape)
Radiator hose repair tape
Keeper 30ft x 4" recovery strap
Bigger, non folding shovel
Quick fists for the shovel
Compass
5 x Mylar Blankets
61 piece first aid kit
Jetscream Whistle
Orange dry box (about size of first aid kit) with built in compass
Lifestraw water filter (40% off earlier on Amazon, got with 5 mins remaining)
Water treatment tablets
D ring receiver

May as well, obviously I hope to never use any of it, but IMO stuff that doesn't really expire (at least not any time soon) and can all be swapped vehicle to vehicle by just moving a storage bin. Just need to pick up some chain and jump in on the Addicted Offroad front bumper group buy + find a complimenting winch. Still baffled by the deceptive cell service so I might try my luck with girlfriend on the same trail who has Verizon later this summer. Sucks they don't have pure pay as you go options, Straight Talk wireless uses their towers but the refill cards expire after 30/60 days. Having a good plan hotspot with quality external antenna would be invaluable for fixing any trail damage as well as reaching out for help.

Good pics. I think if you're going to be pushing your truck that hard you should bite the bullet and get a winch.

Other fun recovery gear that might have helped - an exhaust jack and a set of traction ladders. Not to say that they definitely would have helped, and it's easy to carry too much recovery stuff, but maybe something to look into?

Wow, didn't even know exhaust jacks existed - just looked it up, wild. I saw those traction things at Toytec the other day but was deterred by the price, and never expected to cut through tricky snow like that. Might investigate some more affordable alternatives in the future. I'm all for carrying a ton of stuff as long as it's not flying around loose in the car and I'm not sagging the rear significantly. I'll probably never reinstall my seat bottoms so cargo space is plenty with the backs always folded down.
 
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