Syrian Refugee Crisis

[DannyLlama]

I am sure most of you have heard that there is a refugee crisis, Syrian Refugees fleeing Syria and going to neighboring continent, Europe.

There have been many stories covering this crisis, but one struck a nerve with me. There was a Syrian boy found dead on a Turkish beach, washed up after drowning:


Shocking images of drowned Syrian boy show tragic plight of refugees | World news | The Guardian

Truth is, most of these people just want peace at home, but unfortunately they can't and not its not because of Assad, its because of many factors that make up the word WAR, one being the inhuman group ISIS.

I was born and raised there, it was a peaceful place, where people can be out and about at any time without fear of being mugged, killed, raped etc... Yes Assad is a dictator and there was some injustice, but this isn't any better!!! No one should have to risk their family's life like that and watch their kids drown.

I respect everyone's opinion on the war and the refugee crisis. I am not here to start a debate or argue with anyone. However, if you support peace, if you support life, if you support lending a helping hand:

Please follow the link below and vote for the U.S. to open doors to the Syrian Refugees.

Link to vote - https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/authorize-and-resettle-syrian-refugees-us

Cheers to everyone, Happy Labor day.

 

[DannyLlama]

As was already mentioned I don't think you can post pictures of dead kids on this forum.

If girls in a bikini aren't allowed then dead kids certainly don't make the cut.

This is a horrible tragedy and we should be talking about it.

As for the petition, why can't the countries of the middle East take on all 4 million refugees. Turkey is a huge country. Iran is a huge country. Afghanistan is a huge country. The entire contingent of Africa could absorb 10s of millions and is right there.

Despite what some people are saying, the implication that it is only a choice between the United States, Europe or nothing is completely false.

I removed the photo, didn't know that and thanks for letting me know.

Regarding your last statement

I never eluded to the idea that only that the only choices are the U.S. and Europe, maybe that's been said else where but that would also be false and I do agree with you.

There are refugees in Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq, possibly other countries. This has been going on for over 4 years, it's just getting out of hand now. I can't speak to African countries, though I do know that there have been a handful of Middle Eastern countries that have accepted refugees.
Should more open there doors, absolutely.

Just because other countries aren't doing it, we shouldn't either Brian?

To each his own, but that's never been my mentality.

If every neighbor of mine in the neighborhood closed their door to help someone in need, I would not follow suite and close mine.

Again, like I said. I'm not here to debate or argue, if you don't agree with the petition, don't sign it, no heart feelings.

 

[Thai]

What is the dominant religion of Syria? (Honest question)

Sad situation for sure...that picture is just heart-breaking esp when I have a child of that age at home too. Just looking at it made me pause to keep me from breaking down. Just sad. But, there are death tolls like that from any country, not just Syria.

 

[DannyLlama]

What is the dominant religion of Syria? (Honest question)

Sad situation for sure...that picture is just heart-breaking esp when I have a child of that age at home too. Just looking at it made me pause to keep me from breaking down. Just sad. But, there are death tolls like that from any country, not just Syria.

Muslim
Most Arab countries are predominately Muslim.
I think in Syria it's 80% Muslim, 20% other, Christians Jewish (Yes Jewish descents lived in Syria).

My family is of Christian descent.

" But, there are death tolls like that from any country, not just Syria." Whats your point?

 

[Thai]

" But, there are death tolls like that from any country, not just Syria." Whats your point?

There are tragedies everywhere...heart-breaking ones. That's my point.

I am against opening doors to Syrian refugees. Our country does not need to be in the situation that is plaguing many European countries.

 

[DannyLlama]

There are tragedies everywhere...heart-breaking ones. That's my point.

That's a great point, please keep us posted with more earth shattering point of views

 

[Thai]

That's a great point, please keep us posted with more earth shattering point of views

I will...glad that you agree with me.

 

[JayceeP]

Some commentary already brewing here:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/off-topic/205101-european-migrant-crisis.html

 

[02SE]

Why do we need two threads regarding the EU immigration issue?

 

[DannyLlama]

I knew there was another thread about it but I could't find it. Well because I was looking for Refugees and not Migrants, ma bad

 

[T4R2014]

That's a great point, please keep us posted with more earth shattering point of views

But dude, he's saying that these people are muslims. Those damn muslims!

:lookout:

 

[DannyLlama]

Interview with the photographer that took the photo

We Spoke to the Photographer Behind the Picture of the Drowned Syrian Boy | VICE | United States

 

[Thai]

I knew there was another thread about it but I could't find it. Well because I was looking for Refugees and not Migrants, ma bad

But dude, he's saying that these people are muslims. Those damn muslims!

:lookout:

Ok, can you guys help me out with these questions:

1. What makes you think that we can handle refugees from Syria and other countries when we have major immigration issues of our own that our politicians are avoiding to solve??

2. What makes us any better at solving these refugees' problems than our European counterparts?

3. Many of our European counterparts at one time criticize USA for its silly immigration policies...and now all of them regret their "open" policies. Why would you want to repeat history?

4. What do we do with these refugees when they get here? Housing? Food? Education? Jobs? Medical care? Who exactly will be paying? Should we pull out more loans from China? Don't we have these same exact problems with the immigration problem we have NOW? And you guys with bleeding hearts want what exactly?

5. Will these refugees integrate with our society standards? Don't we have problems with that NOW?

6. Finally, many of our European friends now have major issues with Muslim extremists' terror cells that are abundant and seeding throughout European streets...resulting in numerous catastrophic events. What makes you guys think that we can handle that? Or that it won't happen here?

To some of our deadliest enemies, us being nice is a sign of weakness, not a sign of peace.

Just being realistic here.

 

[JayceeP]

Wealthy Arab petro states have accepted (hint: 0):

 

[02SE]

Ok, can you guys help me out with these questions:

1. What makes you think that we can handle refugees from Syria and other countries when we have major immigration issues of our own that our politicians are avoiding to solve??

2. What makes us any better at solving these refugees' problems than our European counterparts?

3. Many of our European counterparts at one time criticize USA for its silly immigration policies...and now all of them regret their "open" policies. Why would you want to repeat history?

4. What do we do with these refugees when they get here? Housing? Food? Education? Jobs? Medical care? Who exactly will be paying? Should we pull out more loans from China? Don't we have these same exact problems with the immigration problem we have NOW? And you guys with bleeding hearts want what exactly?

5. Will these refugees integrate with our society standards? Don't we have problems with that NOW?

6. Finally, many of our European friends now have major issues with Muslim extremists' terror cells that are abundant and seeding throughout European streets...resulting in numerous catastrophic events. What makes you guys think that we can handle that? Or that it won't happen here?

To some of our deadliest enemies, us being nice is a sign of weakness, not a sign of peace.

Just being realistic here.

All great questions that are deemed politically incorrect to ask.

I worked for a Qatar based business for a few years. I was never overtly threatened with converting to islam, or death. But some shall we say 'suggestions' were made.

Yes, we should just bury our heads in the sand, and hope for the best..

 

[T4R2014]

I was never overtly threatened with converting to islam, or death. But some shall we say 'suggestions' were made.

Like what? Curious.

I work for an Oman-based company. They are pretty welcoming to Americans over there.

 

[02SE]

Yeah, I'm not going to go into specifics. Suffice it to say subtle and in some cases not so subtle comments made their position and beliefs pretty clear.

 

[LandCruiser]

Your options:

-fix your own damn country. I see lots of enlistment age people literally fighting their way into European countries.
-settle, but don't complain if your entitlements aren't enough, the people of your host country speak a different language, observe the Christian and Jewish religions and don't take time off for whatever religious holidays you observe, eat on Ramadan (especially delicious pork), our women don't cover up, we like to drink, and Man Love Thursday isn't a widely observed thing over here

I spent some time in the ME doing mostly medical stuff. Depending where you are hostility against Christians and Hebrews (this guy) is subdued or downright overt.

I have to say I've never seen so many women in string bikinis not at a porno shoot as I did in Dubai, tho...

ETA... I'm sure we're being SUPER diligent to make sure that none of these people are ISIS fighters, right?

 

[T4R2014]

Wealthy Arab petro states have accepted (hint: 0):

IMO, those governments are a bunch of corrupt monarchies. Hey, isn't Israel part of the middle-east? :hiding:

Your options:

-fix your own damn country. I see lots of enlistment age people literally fighting their way into European countries.
-settle, but don't complain if your entitlements aren't enough, the people of your host country speak a different language, observe the Christian and Jewish religions and don't take time off for whatever religious holidays you observe, eat on Ramadan (especially delicious pork), our women don't cover up, we like to drink, and Man Love Thursday isn't a widely observed thing over here

I spent some time in the ME doing mostly medical stuff. Depending where you are hostility against Christians and Hebrews (this guy) is subdued or downright overt.

I have to say I've never seen so many women in string bikinis not at a porno shoot as I did in Dubai, tho...

ETA... I'm sure we're being SUPER diligent to make sure that none of these people are ISIS fighters, right?

The vast majority of European Muslims(mainly from North Africa) I know are totally understanding and accepting of the European cultures, and I agree, that is how it should be. There's always the few freaks and nutcases, though. Let's not act like Europeans did not come to their countries and settle. Think French Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia. Even British India.

Oh yeah, gotta love Dubai and the double standards over there. :jump:

 

[Lester Lugnut]

My wife and I have been to Europe maybe a dozen or so times on guided tours.

On one of these there were two Iraqi-American women on board. One of them and her deceased husband(killed by a despot) once owned an oil company in Iraq.

Shortly after Saddam Hussein came into power, he took over their company. She typed up new ownership papers while Saddam's henchmen beat her husband to death. So the story goes.

This made me think of a comment made by DannyLlama is his opening post.

"it was a peaceful place, where people can be out and about at any time without fear of being mugged, killed, raped etc".

This Iraqi-Americam woman said the same about her country... before Saddam's rule. Paved streets, good schools, nice shopping districts, etc. Very peaceful place.

All we see over here on the TV are film clips of mortar attacks, etc.

I think I would have enjoyed seeing the middle east back in the day.