The Death of Rap Music?

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Hip-hop's Down Beat

Hip-hop's Down Beat
By Ta-Nehisi Coates

When the political activist Al Sharpton pivoted from his war against bigmouth radio man Don Imus to a war on bad-mouth gangsta rap, the instinct among older music fans was to roll their eyes and yawn. Ten years ago, another activist, C. Delores Tucker, launched a very similar campaign to clean up rap music. She focused on Time Warner (parent of TIME), whose subsidiary Interscope was home to hard-core rappers Snoop Dogg and Tupac Shakur. In 1995 Tucker succeeded in forcing Time Warner to dump Interscope.

Her victory was Pyrrhic. Interscope flourished, launching artists like 50 Cent and Eminem and distributing the posthumous recordings of Shakur. And the genre exploded across the planet, with rappers emerging everywhere from Capetown to the banlieues of Paris. In the U.S. alone, sales reached $1.8 billion.

The lesson was Capitalism 101: rap music's market strength gave its artists permission to say what they pleased. And the rappers themselves exhibited an entrepreneurial bent unlike that of musicians before them. They understood the need to market and the benefits of line extensions. Theirs was capitalism with a beat.

Today that same market is telling rappers to please shut up. While music-industry sales have plummeted, no genre has fallen harder than rap. According to the music trade publication Billboard, rap sales have dropped 44% since 2000 and declined from 13% of all music sales to 10%. Artists who were once the tent poles at rap labels are posting disappointing numbers. Jay-Z's return album, Kingdom Come, for instance, sold a gaudy 680,000 units in its first week, according to Billboard. But by the second week, its sales had declined some 80%. This year rap sales are down 33% so far.

Longtime rap fans are doing the math and coming to the same conclusions as the music's voluminous critics. In February, the filmmaker Byron Hurt released Beyond Beats and Rhymes, a documentary notable not just for its hard critique but for the fact that most of the people doing the criticizing were not dowdy church ladies but members of the hip-hop generation who deplore rap's recent fixation on the sensational.

Both rappers and music execs are clamoring for solutions. Russell Simmons recently made a tepid call for rappers to self-censor the words nigger and bitch from their albums. But most insiders believe that a debate about profanity and misogyny obscures a much deeper problem: an artistic vacuum at major labels. "The music community has to get more creative," says Steve Rifkin, CEO of SRC Records. "We have to start betting on the new and the up-and-coming for us to grow as an industry. Right now, I don't think anyone is taking chances. It's a big-business culture."

It's the ultimate irony. Since the 1980s, when Run-DMC attracted sponsorship from Adidas, the rap community has aspired to be big business. By the '90s, those aspirations had become a reality. In a 1999 cover story, TIME reported that with 81 million CDs sold, rap was officially America's top-selling music genre. The boom produced enterprises like Roc-A-Fella, which straddled fashion, music and film and in 2001 was worth $300 million. It produced moguls like No Limit's Master P and Bad Boy's Puff Daddy, each of whom in 2001 made an appearance on FORTUNE's list of the richest 40 under 40. Along the way, the music influenced everything from advertising to fashion to sports.

The growth spurt was fueled by sensationalism. Tupac Shakur shot at police, was convicted of sexual abuse and ultimately was murdered in Las Vegas. But Shakur both alive and dead has also sold more than 20 million records. Death Row Records, which released much of Shakur's material, was run by ex-con Suge Knight and dogged by rumors of money laundering. But between 1992 and 1998, the label churned out 11 multiplatinum albums. Gangsta rappers reveled in their outlaw mystique, crafting ultra-violent tales of drive-bys and stick-ups designed to shock and enthrall their primary audience--white suburban teenagers. "Hip-hop seemed dangerous; it seemed angry," says Richard Nickels, who manages the hip-hop band the Roots. "Kurt Cobain killed himself, and rock seemed weak. But then you had these black guys who came out and had guns. It was exciting to white kids."
 
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Hip-hop now faces a generation that takes gangsta rap as just another mundane marker in the cultural scenery. "It's collapsing because they can no longer fool the white kids," says Nickels. "There's only so much redundancy anyone can take."

Artists who never jumped on the gangsta bandwagon point the finger at the boardroom. They accuse major labels of strip-mining the music, playing up its sensationalist aspects for easy sales. "In rock you have metal, alternative, emo, soft rock, pop-rock, you have all these different strains," says Q-Tip, front man for the defunct A Tribe Called Quest. "And there are different strains of hip-hop, but record companies aren't set up to sell these different strains. They aren't set up to do anything more of a mature sort of hip-hop."

Of course, gangsta rap isn't a record-company invention. Indeed, hip-hop's two most celebrated icons, Shakur and Notorious B.I.G., embraced the sort of lyrical content that today has opened hip-hop to criticism. And the music companies, under assault from file-sharing and other alternative distribution channels, are hardly in a position to do R&D. "When I first signed to Tommy Boy, [the A&R person] would take us to different shows and to art museums," says Q-Tip. "There was real mentorship. Today that's largely absent, and we see the results in the music and in the aesthetic." That result is a stale product, defined by cable channels like BET, now owned by Viacom, which seems to consist primarily of gun worship and underdressed women.

During the past decade, record labels have outsourced the business of kingmaking to other artists. Established stars Dr. Dre and Eminem brought 50 Cent to Interscope. Jay-Z founded his own label, cut a distribution deal and began developing his own roster. But most established artists do little development. That leaves the possibility that hip-hop is following the same path that soul and R&B traveled when they descended into disco, which died quickly.

No longer able to peddle sensation, rap's moguls are switching tactics. Simmons, while still something of a hip-hop ambassador, is hawking a new self-help book. Master P, whose estimated worth was once $661 million, watched his label, No Limit, sink into bankruptcy. He recently announced the formation of Take a Stand Records, a label catering to "clean" hip-hop music. "Personally, I have profited millions of dollars through explicit rap lyrics," Master P stated on his website. "I can honestly say that I was once part of the problem, and now it's time to be part of the solution."

Chris Lighty, CEO of Violator Entertainment, whose clients include 50 Cent and Busta Rhymes, is looking at ways that record companies can work with artists in one area where rappers have been innovative: endorsement and branding. Whether it's 50 Cent owning a stake in Vitamin Water or Jay-Z doing a commercial for HP, most of these deals have been brokered by the artists' own camp. But Lighty sees in hip-hop a chance for record labels to generate more sponsorship and endorsements. "Record companies are going to have to make even better records and participate in brand extension. It's the only way they can survive," says Lighty. "We need to change the format, and this is the only way. 50 Cent is a brand. Jay-Z is a brand."

But the current hubbub over indecency poses a direct challenge to that brand strength, as the artist Akon recently discovered. While performing in Trinidad, Akon was videotaped dancing suggestively with a fan who was later revealed to be only 14. The video attracted the ire of conservatives like Bill O'Reilly. In the wake of the controversy, Akon's tour sponsor, Verizon, removed all ringtones featuring his work and retracted its sponsorship. The message was clear: Hip-hop needs a new and improved product.
 
I like very little rap music. Few I like are more because I think the lyrics are funny more than anything because they are so far skewed into the unreal.

Yeah, rap can die and I'd be fine with it lol. As long as my 80's music stays around, and we have some good new Rock and Alternative stuff coming out, I'll be happy :bigok:
 
Music comes and goes in cycles so it's just a natural progression. Show me one genre that has had continuous success. Remember when metal caved in on itself and grunge took over for about 5 years and then it changed. Country had it's surge in the mid '90s and so did the Ricky Martins of the music industry and they all faded from the top 100 pretty quickly.

Rap has just overstayed it's welcome and has become a stale market and while some artists will continue to have a career other will either reinvent themselves or just go away and rap will return in the future but it won't be the same.
 
RonMAIDEN said:
Show me one genre that has had continuous success.

Classical/orchestral music. I think it's the most moving and beautiful music. Some compositions have stood the test of time and new ones are always being written (especially for movies, soundtracks, etc.). Think of such composers as Mozart, Dvorak, Handel, Hayden, etc. They have been dead hundreds of years yet there music perseveres. More recent composers like Hans Zimmer and Harry Gregson Williams write some really awesome stuff. Not everyone's cup of tea, but these guys IMO are f'n musical geniuses.

Oh, and as for rap or hip hop, it can die and rot in satan's ass for all care. I don't give rat's ass about it.
 
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dingo said:
Classical/orchestral music. I think it's the most moving and beautiful music. Some compositions have stood the test of time and new ones are always being written (especially for movies, soundtracks, etc.). Think of such composers as Mozart, Dvorak, Handel, Hayden, etc. They have been dead hundreds of years yet there music perseveres. More recent composers like Hans Zimmer and Harry Gregson Williams write some really awesome stuff. Not everyone's cup of tea, but these guys IMO are f'n musical geniuses.




Duh;you are so correct. :bigok:

Ok,living artists then? :artist:

Country doesn't change too much and when it does the country community bemoans it and whines about country crossovers.

Good 'ol simple rock continues to endure even if it's fairly simple cliche music,look at Nickleback. Not really progressive music by far and doesn't challenge you to think but Chad Kroeger knows hot to write catchy guitar hooks and simple to understand lyrics and he sells 5 million an album which is getting harder to be that consistent.

I personally am more of a classic metal fan with me liking Iron Maiden,Metallica,Priest which alot of that style of metal has it's roots deep into classical music as many of the guitarists of these bands have classically trained backgrounds.

Yeah,i just think rap hasn't evolved with their subject matter and their vids are all the same with them cruising in high dollar cars,wearing gaudy jewelery and hanging "wit da' hoes" has gotten old and they aren't catching on with younger fans.

Also all these rappers have become more of a corporate thing and that might also turn off fans after a while since remember when music stood more of a rebellion thing in your youth now it's just a way to sell sport drinks,shoes,clothes and cars.

Also a little bit not a fan of oversize wheels on 4wd SUVs due to rap since it did spring from that culture and all the "bling" silliness.

Rap needs to evolve or it will completely die.

Mainstream music in general is in a slump and Clear Channel radio stations are partly to blame by just playing the same garbage 10 times a day and only playing what their DJs are "allowed" to play.
 
I see this more from a tech side of music. I think DRM is killing sales on CD's and downloads. People are getting tired of buying $15 to $20 CD to only have three to four good songs normally. If you download them well you got more rules and regulations to how and where you can play this 99 cent song. It is BS. Therefore, more niche music such as rap is going to suffer. The more mainstream the less of a hit it is going to show. The RIAA's greed is thier own worst enemy. I was so glad to see Denis Kvasov, head of allofmp3.com, was found innocent by a Russian court on copyright infringment. I think it is one up for non-DRM music and I think sales would bounce back if that trend caught on and hopefully we will hear more flavors of music. However, if rap disappeared I wouldn't cry, I like some of it, but very little.
 
RonMAIDEN said:
Show me one genre that has had continuous success.

There are plenty of artist who have had continuous sucess in the industry

i actually produce for a record label with this kind of music so i work with it everyday.

some of the top accomplished artist/producers/founders of hip-hop/R&B/Rap are jay-z(of course), nas, outkast, snoop dogg, young jeezy, the roots, talib kweli, t.i., 50 cent, ne-yo, common, kanye west, david banner, lil wayne, akon, Chamillionaire, NWA
 
i also bet the rap industry will jump way up on september 11 because of 2 major releases among others such as: Chamillionaire, Twista, Disturbing tha Peace, Yung Berg, B5, Keyshia Cole, Hell Rell, and Will.i.am. 50 Cent releases Curtis and Kanye West releases Gradutation, these are both highly anticipated albums of 2007. i will agree also that kingdom come sucked but there are other great albums out there, you dont need to always look to the top for the best albums. Sean Kingston and TI both came out with great albums in july, along with kia shine, UGK, public enemy, young joc, talib kweli, and swizz beats this month, just to name a few highly sucessful albums.
 
A little off topic, but Clear Channel's name was mentioned. Those bastards can kiss my ass. I am a rocker, mostly 80's to modern rock, and we had an awesome rock station, 97.1 The Eagle, KEGL. It had been around for ages, I am 29 and I had never known a time when KEGL had not been around. Then just a few years ago, without warning, I turn on the radio, and its fucking mexican music playing!!!! I looked at the stereo, it was on the right station, but nothing but frijoles and tortillas on my favorite station!! Talk about pissed. Found out later that Clear Channel pussies thought the heavy rock music and the subject matter on the station was effecting the youth in our area or some stupid shit and the decision was made to cancel the whole damn thing and put on ANOTHER damn mexican station (and we're not even in Mexico might I remind you, Clear Channel!!)

Corporate A-Holes!!

Ok, rant over......
 
broncosi said:
There are plenty of artist who have had continuous sucess in the industry

i actually produce for a record label with this kind of music so i work with it everyday.

some of the top accomplished artist/producers/founders of hip-hop/R&B/Rap are jay-z(of course), nas, outkast, snoop dogg, young jeezy, the roots, talib kweli, t.i., 50 cent, ne-yo, common, kanye west, david banner, lil wayne, akon, Chamillionaire, NWA

Let's see where some of those artists are in 5 years. I'm talking careers more than 10 years and still are selling millions which is really rare. Jay-Z's album sales of late are just a fraction of what they were from the previous several albums. Those other artists aren't having the sales of late either outside of Kanye and 50 cent and it's obvious rap is in a downfall. Even M's last album only sold about a 3rd of what his previous one did.

I'll be monitoring rap sales over the next month and if these fail to ignite the sagging genre then we'll see what's next. Acouple of artists selling a few million records isn't going to rejuvanate the genre.
 
true, the rap industry is like highschool in a way. Theres always that crazy class but its only every 5 or so years. So this generation of rappers is somewhat heading towards retirement. Jay-z i beleive is 37 or 38 and he's set for life, he could have retired a long time ago but wanted to hold the industry up. Lil Wayne is coming up and i beleive will replace jay-z as the manager of the rap game. I think lil wayne has a good nother 15+ years if he wants it 20+ and its obvious he wants it. I see rappers/singers come into our studio everyday for studio time. Rap/hip-hop will never die, if you had any idea how many talented people there are out there trying to make it big. Only the best will seperate themselves and rise to the top. Ive seen real potential and real bad singers. But having that talent and being a good performer is only a fraction of it.

I know its not going to rejuvenate the industry but there are so many upcoming artists that by the time everyone starts to realize that they will already be trasitioned into the next generation.
 
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broncosi said:
im not sure what to say about that. other than:

Ramthis, what do you do for a living?

Mechanic. Grease Monkey. Wrench Turner. Knuckle Buster. All variatons of the same breed. :p

Why, pray tell, would you like to know?
 
nevermind im not that creative, and cant find a t-shirt that says support your local dealership, shoot a mechanic. Or something of that nature. Dont get me wrong when i say i produce, thats my career. People do, do that for their living. So you could see why i think that tshirt is stupid because there are people out there who really feel that way, when really their just ignorant.
 
Hmmmm,that's funny your a little miffed by the gun and the message on the shirt when you support rap music which the gangster aspect promotes violence and negative atitudes toward women and feeds off those images through the videos.

50 cent doesn't seem like he's ready to go soft.
Gangster rap is a real problem which is affecting alot of youngsters and making gang violence look cool;those are the ignorant ones.
 

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