The End to my 4runner

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PWD4R said:
Why not keep your runner too?


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I like to take long trips, with the diesel getting maybe 25-30mph and twice the torque. The 4runner would be just collecting dust. Put it to good use for someone else.
 
NZDZRT said:
Please provide initial, 100k, 200k, 300k reports. I'm waiting!

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Reliability isn't the only criteria on which to judge a vehicle. Worrying how reliable a vehicle will be to 300k is only important to maybe 3% of drivers.

Then, if you look at the recent quality surveys, you are only 25% more likely to have an issue with a new Jeep than a new Toyota. Not 2 or 3 times more likely but 0.25 more likely. As for long term reliability, this forum is littered with problems in all gens (recalled airbags, rusted frames, cracked manifolds, clunks here and there, Entune, etc. etc). To be fair, so is every other forum. Even my 4Runner had to have a wheel bearing replaced at 76000 miles. Never had to do that in a Jeep even those over 200k miles.
 
The Ecodiesel may be the right rig for you if you do a lot of highway driving. Diesels and particularly all the emissions equipment NEED long highway drives to function properly. If you are putting around town, short drives, or in the mountains you will have issues with the DPF clogging.
 
gm350reratliff said:
The Ecodiesel may be the right rig for you if you do a lot of highway driving. Diesels and particularly all the emissions equipment NEED long highway drives to function properly. If you are putting around town, short drives, or in the mountains you will have issues with the DPF clogging.
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So is that why VW rigged all their consumer diesel city-type driving cars? :frisky:
 
00Sebby said:
Reliability isn't the only criteria on which to judge a vehicle. Worrying how reliable a vehicle will be to 300k is only important to maybe 3% of drivers.

Then, if you look at the recent quality surveys, you are only 25% more likely to have an issue with a new Jeep than a new Toyota. Not 2 or 3 times more likely but 0.25 more likely. As for long term reliability, this forum is littered with problems in all gens (recalled airbags, rusted frames, cracked manifolds, clunks here and there, Entune, etc. etc). To be fair, so is every other forum. Even my 4Runner had to have a wheel bearing replaced at 76000 miles. Never had to do that in a Jeep even those over 200k miles.
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In 98000 miles my Jeep has had a new rear main seal, radiator, water pump, and OPDA. The OPDA is a chronic issue. Hopefully Crown's new part will be built correctly, but I've not done the research to find out. I *love* my Jeep, but it's not without its problems.
 
amalik said:
off topic but kind of related. Even Ford has pretty impressive technology out there between the aluminum bodies and twin turbo ecoboost (basically just direct injection and turbo rebranded/renamed).

The 17 Raptor is one sick truck.

2017 Ford F-150 Raptor Photos and Info ? News ? Car and Driver
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I agree the 2017 Raptor is badass but I would give them a couple years to work out the bugs in the new motor and transmission. In early 2012 I took the bait and bought a brand new ecoboost F150. It was badass initially. Decent mpg, hauled ass, pulled any trailer with ease even up steep grades. Then I started having issues with it. Misfires, cracked Inter-cooler (Ford's redesign sucked), excessive blow-by, BCM communication faults, cold start knock. Ford did fix a few of the issues but then it seemed like they were putting me off. It will be interesting to see if Ford fixed these issues on the new EB. Even if they did, it would be hard for me to spend money with them again after dealing with the warranty dept.

amalik said:
So is that why VW rigged all their consumer diesel city-type driving cars? :frisky:
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From what I gather, the reason VW rigged their cars was because their cars couldn't meet the advertised mpg or power figures while running the emissions friendly ( "test mode" as they called it) engine tune. However, while in "normal driving mode" (think emissions bypass), they had excessive NOX, and particulate levels but decent power and great mpg. I also believe this bypass mode helped alleviate some of the issues with running all this required emissions equipment. It was a huge, risk but VW had invested millions, if not billions, into this engine program. They were very far along before they noticed the issues meeting emissions and mpg figures at the same time so they threw together a plan.

I have a cousin with one of these VW engines in question and it has been a great car for her. She is now a chemical engineer with a big oil company but while in college, she (yes, she) built her own veggie-diesel refinery and basically drove the hell out of that car for next to nothing.
 
gm350reratliff said:
I have a cousin with one of these VW engines in question and it has been a great car for her. She is now a chemical engineer with a big oil company but while in college, she (yes, she) built her own veggie-diesel refinery and basically drove the hell out of that car for next to nothing.
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Is she available? :clap2:

LOL, jk.

That sucks about your F150. Fix Or Repair Daily.
 
gm350reratliff said:
The Ecodiesel may be the right rig for you if you do a lot of highway driving. Diesels and particularly all the emissions equipment NEED long highway drives to function properly. If you are putting around town, short drives, or in the mountains you will have issues with the DPF clogging.
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X2. That will be the killer with the jeeps, low RPMs+low engine load=
 
This looks great. I think I would wait a couple years to see how things go. I have never been an early adopter.
 
00Sebby said:
Reliability isn't the only criteria on which to judge a vehicle. Worrying how reliable a vehicle will be to 300k is only important to maybe 3% of drivers.

Then, if you look at the recent quality surveys, you are only 25% more likely to have an issue with a new Jeep than a new Toyota. Not 2 or 3 times more likely but 0.25 more likely. As for long term reliability, this forum is littered with problems in all gens (recalled airbags, rusted frames, cracked manifolds, clunks here and there, Entune, etc. etc). To be fair, so is every other forum. Even my 4Runner had to have a wheel bearing replaced at 76000 miles. Never had to do that in a Jeep even those over 200k miles.
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Depends on how you judge quality? Recalls and campaigns are somewhat tricky to quantify properly. For example the Takata Airbag stuff is not Toyota's fault, it's Takata's and they're not the only one with that issue. Do you count a software update for a transmission or emissions related component as a serious reliability issue in this day and age or a "software upgrade/patch" like most other digital items? Does recalling a set of vehicles because the 3rd row seat backboards had instructions that weren't as detailed as the new ones on how to operate the 3rd row seat constitute as a reliability issue? Recalls and Campaigns alone do not indicate much without context. Warranty repairs on the other hand can show a a better trend in that case.

Jeeps across the board have suffered from lots of issues that haven't really been as big on the Toyota side. You don't see the transmissions in Toyotas needing to be replaced 3 times in less than 50k because the 9spd set-up is off. Or the constant weird electrical issues that Chrysler seems to have in it's products. The fact that Jeep dealers STOCK cylinder heads for the V6's, ect. because they have known cylinder head issues.

Granted, Toyota has it's own niche issues that tend to be fairly large. But You see more things like trim panels, secondary systems (Entune for example) and other small issues where as I have seen and heard far too many horror stories from Chrysler/Jeep techs.

Depending on who designed the Diesel Engine, it may be very reliable; but the vehicle that it goes in is still a Chrys... I mean Fiat product and the quality is getting somewhat better, but not quite there yet.
 
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I was looking at a Ram 2500 diesel a month ago and the dealer actually told me the eco diesel is a big mistake, reliability is real bad...

As far as a Jeep, I had a 1995 JGC that fell apart in the driveway, was on my second engine and transmission before 20K miles.

Never, never again. My 4Runner could get 2 MPG and I would drive it before I would purchase a Jeep...just my thoughts on my experience.

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00Sebby said:
Reliability isn't the only criteria on which to judge a vehicle.
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Actually, it is.

No matter how nice a truck is, if you can't drive it because it's in the shop all the time then you aren't going to like it. If you can't trust it on a long trip or to get you to work every day, you aren't going to like it. If you can't afford to keep it once the warranty is up because it needs $1000's in repairs every year and yet another transmission, you aren't going to like it. If it leaves you stranded in Podunk with a 30' trailer and three cranky grandkids, you aren't going to like it. If it manages to grenade a $10K high pressure fuel pump because it ingested a little water, you aren't going to like it.

Reliability is the ultimate luxury, which is why I drive a 3rd. gen.
 
Actually nothing in the article stated the diesel would be an option for the 2018 model year, it will be available sometime during the next generation but I doubt they debut the diesel the first year of the redesign.

They are on the record saying it will be out sometime by 2020. That would seem to indicate 2 years into the new body style is what they are planning.

Just my $.02
 
Lol, the Ecodiesel that was throwing rods out of the block with less than 10k?
 
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My friend has a 2006 Jeep Liberty CRD 4x4. They only made them for two years. She loves it and currently has about 200,000 on its Mercedes 2.8 liter diesel engine. She would like something else but she lives in a very rural area and the high fuel mileage is why she keeps it. Its a long drive to just about everything. She can also get fuel at the farm if needed to make it until she fills up "in town". I have driven it many times and it is fun and very quick. Still prefer my V8 Runner though.
 
Ask fellow member [MENTION=101600]hour[/MENTION] how reliable the Ecodiesel is. Ram bought his back. Coolant ended up in areas it wasn't supposed to be.

My brother's friend has one and it has been great. No problems. So hope you don't get one built on Monday or Friday and you may be OK.
 
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